Redskins WR roles in flux under Jay Gruden

[deanpet21]

The Washington Post expects Pierre Garcon to play "X" receiver in new coach Jay Gruden's offense, with DeSean Jackson at "Z."
"Z" was A.J. Green's position in Gruden's Bengals offense. It commanded a team-high 178 targets last season. The "X" position was manned by Marvin Jones, who finished with 80 targets. Garcon will play a lot more snaps than Jones did, but this is something to keep in mind with a new offense being installed in D.C. It's conceivable that Garcon will be less of a featured player under Gruden, essentially sharing the role with D-Jax. The Post anticipates third receiver Andre Roberts handling duties similar to Mohamed Sanu's (77 targets).

You would expect Garcon to get more targets than Jackson. This is interesting.

 

[j_y19]

I wouldn't read too much into this. DJax doesn't have to body to play as much as Garcon. Garcon will get the lions share of the targets this year. But DJax may lead the team in receiving yards.

 

[Sportster 72]

Z and X have do not determine amount of targets. The WR ability and the QB reads determine where the ball goes. I also agree that Garcon is built to play more time than DJax.

 

[deanpet21]

I am going to predict that Reed leads everyone in TD's, Garcon leads in catches, and Jackson leads in yards. The question is whole would you take first in a fantasy football league where WR's and TE's are combined in a PPR league and TD's worth 6 points? I say Reed.

 

[martinez]

but we all know rg3 loves throwing to garcon and is most comfortable throwing to him.

 

[Kevin12773]

Couldn't care less if X Y or Z receiver is targeted more as long as they are effective it doesn't matter who catches more balls. This is the best WR crew in DC since 92'

 

[Stymietee]

Honestly, I wish that those of you hanging on to the notion that Garcon is a game changing type WR would give it up. He is NOT!!! There is a reason that Washington targeted then signed DJax....#1 being that he is a game changer.... (a back breaker on any play, to be clear) That said, he then commands the lions share of targets, or to be the first option during a game. Garcon is an excellent player for what he offers, and accordingly, just might get more plays because of the presence of Jackson. Jackson on the other hand will never benefit because of the presence of Garcon, because he will forever be the guy that other teams intend to stop first. The question that Garcon has never answered is..........When the first option is taken away, can he win games given his skill set?

 

[j_y19]

Honestly, I wish that those of you hanging on to the notion that Garcon is a game changing type WR would give it up. He is NOT!!! There is a reason that Washington targeted then signed DJax....#1 being that he is a game changer.... (a back breaker on any play, to be clear) That said, he then commands the lions share of targets, or to be the first option during a game. Garcon is an excellent player for what he offers, and accordingly, just might get more plays because of the presence of Jackson. Jackson on the other hand will never benefit because of the presence of Garcon, because he will forever be the guy that other teams intend to stop first. The question that Garcon has never answered is..........When the first option is taken away, can he win games given his skill set?

Hmm. Just re read all of the posts in this thread. Never saw any mention to garçon being a game changing WR. Not sure who, or what, you are referring to.

 

[PDay8810]

Honestly, I wish that those of you hanging on to the notion that Garcon is a game changing type WR would give it up. He is NOT!!! There is a reason that Washington targeted then signed DJax....#1 being that he is a game changer.... (a back breaker on any play, to be clear) That said, he then commands the lions share of targets, or to be the first option during a game. Garcon is an excellent player for what he offers, and accordingly, just might get more plays because of the presence of Jackson. Jackson on the other hand will never benefit because of the presence of Garcon, because he will forever be the guy that other teams intend to stop first. The question that Garcon has never answered is..........When the first option is taken away, can he win games given his skill set?[/QUOTE]


think Branch & Biletnikoff.....does not matter who can stretch the field, nor terms like game changer and first option. Garcon is darn good all around football player and I don't think he's second fiddle to Jackson.

BTW...teams win games...thanks

now back to your regularly scheduled program

 

[PDay8810]

Couldn't care less if X Y or Z receiver is targeted more as long as they are effective it doesn't matter who catches more balls. This is the best WR crew in DC since 92'

some sure could lean some football from you kevin

 

[Lonewate44]

the designation of X ,Y or Z really means nothing as far as who is targeted more....With the Designation Garcon has...he is lined up on the line of scrimmage....and he can beat the jam of the close CB...DJack will be lining up off the line of scrimmage, to give him a chance to use his speed and quickness to beat the initial jam....


The way it works......read defense, figure who should be open based on what you see...snap ball....find open wr..throw ball catch ball....just because a WR is labeled X or Y means Nada....the reason that Z wr got so much work in Cinci is because of the WR...not that he was the Z receiver

 

[skinsdad62]

Honestly, I wish that those of you hanging on to the notion that Garcon is a game changing type WR would give it up. He is NOT!!! There is a reason that Washington targeted then signed DJax....#1 being that he is a game changer.... (a back breaker on any play, to be clear) That said, he then commands the lions share of targets, or to be the first option during a game. Garcon is an excellent player for what he offers, and accordingly, just might get more plays because of the presence of Jackson. Jackson on the other hand will never benefit because of the presence of Garcon, because he will forever be the guy that other teams intend to stop first. The question that Garcon has never answered is..........When the first option is taken away, can he win games given his skill set?

there are 32 number 1 starting wr jobs . the question isnt was/is garcon a number one . the question is what type of number one

in the end jackson could be the new number one and in which case the question asked is can we win games with garcon and his skill set

i refer you to RG3's first game and his 1st td pass as a pro . i refer you to the dallas game the same year . i refer to 113 caught balls . the answer is yes . he can make teams pay for the attention given jackson

 

[Sportster 72]

Honestly, I wish that those of you hanging on to the notion that Garcon is a game changing type WR would give it up. He is NOT!!! There is a reason that Washington targeted then signed DJax....#1 being that he is a game changer.... (a back breaker on any play, to be clear) That said, he then commands the lions share of targets, or to be the first option during a game. Garcon is an excellent player for what he offers, and accordingly, just might get more plays because of the presence of Jackson. Jackson on the other hand will never benefit because of the presence of Garcon, because he will forever be the guy that other teams intend to stop first. The question that Garcon has never answered is..........When the first option is taken away, can he win games given his skill set?

I'll think for myself thank you. DJax is probably the fastest receiver on the team and he is one of highest YPC receivers in the game. He has never caught 100 balls. He ways a dollar nothing. He is has a great chance to be the Redskins leading big play receiver. Garçon is much bigger, had Griffin's confidence last year and has had his share of big plays. I think he will lead the team in targets again.

 

[TCB]

With a healthy RG3 and an improved Oline, the defenses will pick their poison.

 

[Sharkinva]

If things work out right, all three should have about equal number of targets. In a well run offense with a good amount of talent, there should be no "true" #1 WR. We are positioned at WR and TE in such a way that the QB SHOULD have multiple options and the defense should not have the luxury of "Stop this guy and the pass offense struggles". The only think we lack is a WR with some size thats projected to be a big contributor. Maybe Reed can stay healthy. BUt IM hoping Hoffman makes roster and can contribute on offense. If Bob gets his stuff right, Garcon, Jackson and Roberts should have a good year.

 

[Buffalo_Nickel_1]

Wr ryan grant'will be are'best wr book it

 

[Sportster 72]

Considering the top 3 projected WRs are making something like a combined $20 million, if Grant leads at WR then there are either a lot of injuries or someone scratching their head.

Lots of truth in defenses picking their poison on offense. Each week opposing D coordinators may elect to take a certain player or two out of the offense.

No offense is designed to throw an equal amount to each receiver. Most of all the defense dictates where the ball will go. A very good QB will spread the ball around but we are talking someone like Peyton or Brady who are at the top of their craft when it comes to reading defenses and going to the right place.

 

[Sharkinva]

sportster... hence my comment "IF bob gets his act right" then the production should be relatively well spread out. If we get half way through the season and one WR has 60% of the passing attempts going his way... something is very wrong.

 

[Sportster 72]

sportster... hence my comment "IF bob gets his act right" then the production should be relatively well spread out. If we get half way through the season and one WR has 60% of the passing attempts going his way... something is very wrong.

If one receiver out of 8 - 10 receivers gets targeted for 60% of the passing attempts that would be high. That means the other 7 - 9 receivers have to slit up the others 40% at an average of 5% per receiver.

 

[Stymietee]

Hmm. Just re read all of the posts in this thread. Never saw any mention to garçon being a game changing WR. Not sure who, or what, you are referring to.

Guess you kinda skipped over that little part of to OP's statement that read..... "It's conceivable that Garcon will be less of a featured player under Gruden, essentially sharing the role with D-Jax." Just in case you still don't know, the "featured" WR in this case means the #1 or go to guy.

Benefit of the doubt: This thread appears to be a continuation of previous conversations on the subject (P. Garcon being a #1 or not) it is possible that you did not remember this and saw it contextually as such.