Reds thread

[vancelot23]

I didn't know Crash was on twitter.

LOL. Rep'd...Sorry Crash.

 

[kramer1]

Bailey blows. Been sayin this for 4 years now. Nobody wants to listen.

Heisey is freakin terrible too. So is Stubbs. The outfield is a mess.

Catcher spot blows as well.

3rd place here we come.

 

[flamingrey]

I didn't know Crash was on twitter.

Yup, you can find him here.

 

[Cincyfan78]

They pushed him as if he was the next Roger Clemens.......the only fair description of his career is disappointing......I'm not sure why he can't get people out, he has good stuff.....guess he's a head case.....

Bingo. He allows things to snowball whe he doesn't get calls to go his way. Case in point...walked Berkman on a 3-2 pitch he clearly thought was a strike.

HR, then the walk, HR, HR. 4-0 STL. End of story.


If you go back to last year's cleveland game...same thing. He was cruising til someone made an error. Then the perverbial wheels fell off because he can't overcome adversity. Cueto has learned to control his emotions and keep himself in check. It's why he's been so good over the past year, and he even talks about how he has to fight himself still to control his emotions and just pitch. Homer gets mad and just throws. When a pitcher becomes a thrower, the batters are going to T-off.

 

[ckhokie]

Less than 17,000 at the game last night, against what could be considered our biggest Division rival. I guess some things don't change in Cincinnati.

 

[cincygrad]

Less than 17,000 at the game last night, against what could be considered our biggest Division rival. I guess some things don't change in Cincinnati.

Why would attendance be any different than last season? People in Cincinnati don't spend money on tickets these days. What's the point? The economy is bad, the games are on television, the product is inconsistent. 17K for a school night in April is probably going to be high compared to some of the other games this month.

 

[ckhokie]

Why would attendance be any different than last season? People in Cincinnati don't spend money on tickets these days. What's the point? The economy is bad, the games are on television, the product is inconsistent. 17K for a school night in April is probably going to be high compared to some of the other games this month.

Tickets are cheap, the 'school night' argument is typically bs because the games are over before 10 (not everyone in Cincy has 4 year olds), the ownership just opened up the purse strings in a big way, and the Cincy metro area has like 2.2 million people. More than 16,000 should be at games.

It pisses me off to hear the litany of excuses Reds fans continue to use for not going to games...you can bring in your own food for God's sake. And before you say, 'then why don't YOU go to games?' I live more than 500 miles away and will hit at least 4 games at GABP this season, as well as all 4 this week when they play the Nats.

 

[cincygrad]

Tickets are cheap, the 'school night' argument is typically bs because the games are over before 10 (not everyone in Cincy has 4 year olds), the ownership just opened up the purse strings in a big way, and the Cincy metro area has like 2.2 million people. More than 16,000 should be at games.

It pisses me off to hear the litany of excuses Reds fans continue to use for not going to games...you can bring in your own food for God's sake. And before you say, 'then why don't YOU go to games?' I live more than 500 miles away and will hit at least 4 games at GABP this season, as well as all 4 this week when they play the Nats.

Sounds like you enjoy going to the games. Good for you. I like going to the games when I'm in town as well. But it's not for everyone. And why does anyone need to make an excuse? It's not a requirement that you attend games to be a fan. Some people like putting their cash in other places. Some folks enjoy watching on the television. To each their own.

 

[Cincyfan78]

Compared to the same game last year, I believe the Reds drew about 5K more than last year. Game 3 last year drew roughly 11K. This year it drew just under 17K. So attendance is up, but historically, the Reds have had a hard time drawing fans in during the early portion of the season with typically colder weather (not so much this year) and a litany of youth sports still ongoing in the area along with the school year still ongoing.

You can say those are "excuses" all you want, but the fact of the matter is, that is how this town has "rolled" forever, and even with the signing of Votto and the Cardinals in town, I just don't see fans coming out to early weeknight games in crowds of 25K plus. Too much else going on. The bigger bumps will be on Friday-Sunday when the games don't interfere with school or sports, and of course if the weather continues to hold up.

You can blame those of us who say that, but it's a fact. My kids have sports/practice/games 4 days a week. I'm not going to a game when they have practice or games as I enjoy being at their practices, and judging by attendance of parents at those practices and others around us...there's more than you might think.

 

[cincygrad]

It's my experience that the claim "kids are an excuse" generally comes from people that don't currently have kids!

 

[Cincyfan78]

It's my experience that the claim "kids are an excuse" generally comes from people that don't currently have kids!

Rep'd. This is so true in so many different areas of life. Generally speaking, people who don't have younger kids (either never had kids, or kids grown and gone) struggle to identify with adults today that do have kids.

I find it especially amazing how older adults who's children are grown seem to forget how it was when they had kids....

 

[ckhokie]

much else going on. The bigger bumps will be on Friday-Sunday when the games don't interfere with school or sports, and of course if the weather continues to hold up.

You can blame those of us who say that, but it's a fact. My kids have sports/practice/games 4 days a week. I'm not going to a game when they have practice or games as I enjoy being at their practices, and judging by attendance of parents at those practices and others around us...there's more than you might think.

I can totally understand and respect your position. Obviously there isn't going to be a major pull from your respective demographic, but as I said, with 2.2 million people in the metro area, there are plenty of folks not in your position as well.

I think 24k for Easter Sunday of the opening weekend seemed a little low too. I understand wanting to 'spend time with the family' but a baseball game isn't a bad way to do that, it's only 2.5 hours - not the entire day, and the weather seemed to be very nice.

Obviously attendance is directly correlated with the ability to increase payroll and become more of a contender. I think ownership (unlike the Bengals) has actually shown they are interested and committed long term to winning, so it would be great to see the fans get involved more as well.

 

[Cincyfan78]

I can totally understand and respect your position. Obviously there isn't going to be a major pull from your respective demographic, but as I said, with 2.2 million people in the metro area, there are plenty of folks not in your position as well.

I think 24k for Easter Sunday of the opening weekend seemed a little low too. I understand wanting to 'spend time with the family' but a baseball game isn't a bad way to do that, it's only 2.5 hours - not the entire day, and the weather seemed to be very nice.

Obviously attendance is directly correlated with the ability to increase payroll and become more of a contender. I think ownership (unlike the Bengals) has actually shown they are interested and committed long term to winning, so it would be great to see the fans get involved more as well.

Agreed completely. However, fans around here don't care about spending as much as they do about winning. They'll come out, but the Reds are going to have to show they can win. If they continue to hover around .500 and below expectations...fans will stay away, no matter how much Bob C spends on players.

 

[cincygrad]

I can totally understand and respect your position. Obviously there isn't going to be a major pull from your respective demographic, but as I said, with 2.2 million people in the metro area, there are plenty of folks not in your position as well.

I think 24k for Easter Sunday of the opening weekend seemed a little low too. I understand wanting to 'spend time with the family' but a baseball game isn't a bad way to do that, it's only 2.5 hours - not the entire day, and the weather seemed to be very nice.

Obviously attendance is directly correlated with the ability to increase payroll and become more of a contender. I think ownership (unlike the Bengals) has actually shown they are interested and committed long term to winning, so it would be great to see the fans get involved more as well.

I agree and I wish our fans would show up.... I just don't expect that they will. If you look at all the sports in the city, attendance has been down. The Bearcats are still struggling to get people back in the building and they had nice season and played a bunch of big name opponents in the Big East. The Bengals went to the playoffs playing in front of 40K.

I wish the Reds would implement an aggressive variable pricing scheme. You know that the fans aren't coming out on a Monday in April, so why not give away 3 dollar seats in nice sections of the stadium? Sell these same seats for 40 bucks on weekends in the summer or on bobble-head night. Price should meet demand.

 

[Cincyfan78]

Yep. Even though prices are cheap, it can still be prohibative to attend a game for families. I have a family of 6. So, even at $10 a seat, I'm looking at $60 right off the bat. Then you figure you spend $15-$20 at a subway or whatever to get cheaper food to bring in, and all that. Plus another $15-$20 for parking. You're looking at $100 minimum for me to take my family. Now, we'll all attend a few Reds games, and there will be some games where it will be me and a buddy or just me and the wife, but even still...

When people mention that it's a great way to spend time with the Family...I think of a lot of other things I can do that cost less than $100 that my kids will enjoy. It's all dependant on how big your family is, and such. Sure it's a great time, but it's still an investment. I can get burgers, hotdogs, and chips/soda and grill out, watch the game on HD TV, have no travel issues, no potty issues...and total comfort with the family for less than going to a game. And that's not a Reds issue...it's a sport issue overall as coverage continues to increase and make it more palatable to be at home.

Also, I'd say that the 2 1/2-3 hours for a game doesn't allot for driving and getting kids ready. Anyone with a family knows that if a game starts at 7:10. In order for you to be in your seats by then, you are looking at leaving around 6:00 minimum, if not before (depending on where you live). Plus another 30-minute or so drive back. It's a 5 hour ordeal from the time you pull out of your driveway til the time you pull back in.

 

[OrangeBlackRedWhite]

6 years, 72.5 million for BP.

 

[Cincyfan78]

Congrats to the Reds and BP. I hope he can continue his level of play over the next 3 or 4 seasons. I have my doubts, but I hope he proves me wrong.

 

[BigBlueNation111]

6 years, 72.5 million for BP.

Congrats BP!! Glad to know thats out of the way now.

 

[kramer1]

It's my experience that the claim "kids are an excuse" generally comes from people that don't currently have kids!

I was just gonna say something similar....going to games is no problem when you're single and living with mom and dad. Get some kids and a mortgage coupled with this shit economy and then try and justify it. And, no, sitting in the shitty $5 seats doesn't count. The kids still pester you for everything. You have to pay $20 to park....gas. It's 8 bucks a beer and YOU HAVE TO DRINK BEER AT A BALLGAME.

A family of 4 (normal ppl not Amish) can;t get out of there without dropping at absolute minimum $100....and that's a lot of money. If you make $10 an hour you bring home about $225-$250 a week. Try living on that with a family.

 

[ckhokie]

A family of 4 (normal ppl not Amish) can;t get out of there without dropping at absolute minimum $100....and that's a lot of money. If you make $10 an hour you bring home about $225-$250 a week. Try living on that with a family.

I don't know anyone supporting a family of 4 on $10 an hour. Nor should they even consider spending that money at a ballpark - and probably shouldn't be paying for cable to watch the games on tv for that matter.

But congrats. You can make a ridiculously obscure example that doesn't apply to 99% of people to try to prove your point.