Series Thread: Rangers Host the Athletics For Four Games August 15-18

[saddles]

no to all on Athletic article. Need a guy who can relate to yiung and old, can teach or have coaches who can teach, a straight shooter

Does not sound like a guy from the tainted Astros or old dudes out to pasture. No to Mike S or Joe, Halo rejects

Older guy who I like is Buck S but that is a no go

Let’s roll with Beas for a bit and see how he does. He might need an IF coach IMO

There is a great IF coach on those manager lists. Lol

 

[True Rangers Fan]

Young has had two years to learn the ropes. I do not doubt for a second that Daniels, 17 seasons deep into his time as GM and/or president, has assisted him on that front. But Young pitched in the majors for 13 years, he went to Princeton and he’s less than two years younger than Daniels. He’s more than qualified to be the front man for an organization.

This paragraph would be far less stupid if it bothered to mention Young's time as VP of On-field Operations for MLB.

 

[DT LUNA]

Are the rangers bringing back the Banty rooster?

Thought you would never ask.

 

[Kelleyman]

Some excerpts from a good article by Tim Cowlishaw:

Jon Daniels is still in charge.

And just how much he runs the show and whether Chris Young, now two seasons into his time as general manager, ever gets to really grab the reins remains to be seen. The announcement of the not-so-surprising firing arrived in a news release which contained three paragraphs of quotes from Daniels and nothing from Young. The news conference held 90 minutes later at Globe Life Field began with more than three minutes of Daniels talking and explaining while Young sat next to him in silence.

Obviously, Young took several questions during the back and forth with the media, but the impression the club stubbornly provides is that Daniels remains firmly out front.

Daniels, who was booed during the club’s Hall of Fame ceremony Saturday night while Young drew cheers, said it’s absolutely fair for fans to question why he’s still here. He added that he considers himself to carry a large part of the responsibility for the club undergoing a massive rebuild so quickly after having the league’s best record in 2016, then added something people may find interesting.

“As far as any personal accountability on my part, that’s something we’ll address down the line,’’ Daniels said.

Is he stepping aside in October? Is there more management shuffling to come? Unfortunately owner Ray Davis, who sat near the front of the room during the news conference, left without taking any questions about Daniels or the club’s future Monday.

The other meaningful thing Daniels said, and he did it several times, was basically to excuse Woodward for the team’s record — at least for his four-year record if maybe not entirely for this year’s 51-63 mark.

“The talent and the roster construction is a bigger factor in our wins and losses the last few years than anything,’’ Daniels said.

Those are the responsibility of a GM or, in this case, a club president. Not a manager.

I’m not trying to absolve Woodward of all blame here. He will go down as the Dave Campo of Rangers managers, a guy who presided over a tough rebuild with little chance to win and didn’t add much to the mix. This year’s team has a run differential that says the Rangers should have a better record than Chicago or Boston. They do not. It says they should be right behind Baltimore.

They are not.

Both Daniels and Young seemed to talk around the idea that this club hasn’t been properly prepared for games and that its 6-24 record in one-run games is the area where a different skipper might have kept them in the wild-card hunt. Still, it all gets back to the big picture which has been alternative shades of grim for several years now.

“We did not come into this season thinking we had put together a championship roster,’’ Daniels said during his opening remarks.

Young echoed his boss.

“We didn’t expect to go worst to first this season. Woody had a positive impact on the culture,’’ Young said. “This is about moving forward.’’

The managerial search will be a collaborative effort that goes beyond the president and the GM, Young said. What we don’t know is if that’s the end of the front office story. Maybe there will be more. Maybe what Daniels said about addressing things down the line was meant to let us know that change will be made at a higher level.

Young has had two years to learn the ropes. I do not doubt for a second that Daniels, 17 seasons deep into his time as GM and/or president, has assisted him on that front. But Young pitched in the majors for 13 years, he went to Princeton and he’s less than two years younger than Daniels. He’s more than qualified to be the front man for an organization.

Regardless of whether some still refuse to give Daniels due credit for his early work as a GM here, it’s time for Ranger fans to see a bigger change than the dismissal of Woodward represents.

The idea that JD is buffering CY from any significant responsibility and is only a front man is absurd

But JD did buffer him from any wrath as losing a manager is a team failure for lack of a better word and all wear that to some degree

I see CY being the front man more on player moves and other GM responsibilities

JD is basically being more removed as time goes on the baseball side of business IMO
I think the fact that we got the owners to open up their pockets will help the team to compete
How they spend it will be more and more on CY

We shall see

 

[saddles]

This paragraph would be far less stupid if it bothered to mention Young's time as VP of On-field Operations for MLB.

So you think presenting Young as qualifying to be the front man based on the following is really stupid?

1) Twi years on the job as GM
2) Two years learning under a former GM and frontman with 17 years of experience
3) A Princeton education
4) Spending Thirteen years as a player in MLB
5) Being only two years younger than the guy who has been the frontman for well over a decade

I guess I don't see a reason for saying this reasoning is flawed, much less implying it is really stupid.

 

[saddles]

only a front man is absurd

I didn't get the idea that he was saying JD is "only" a frontman. He is saying CY should be more of the frontman in the organization by now.

It is the same thing that we all have discussed since CY was hired. It was the subject discussed on here yesterday before the press conference. Didn't you bring it up yourself?

If I am not mistaken, most on here had the opinion two years ago that CY would be the frontman before now.

 

[Kelleyman]

I think there are people who just don’t like JD and his personality and that is why they object to him being the frontman yesterday with part of the proceedings. CY talks a lot and really gave more details. JD just proceeding over the necessaries and groveled a little.

Just his face evidently offends some including Tom C it seems

 

[saddles]

I think there are people who just don’t like JD and his personality and that is why they object to him being the frontman yesterday with part of the proceedings. CY talks a lot and really gave more details. JD just proceeding over the necessaries and groveled a little.

Just his face evidently offends some including Tom C it seems

I think some just don't like Tim Cowlishaw as well.

 

[Kelleyman]

I didn't get the idea that he was saying JD is "only" a frontman. He is saying CY should be more of the frontman in the organization by now.

It is the same thing that we all have discussed since CY was hired. It was the subject discussed on here yesterday before the press conference. Didn't you bring it up yourself?

If I am not mistaken, most on here had the opinion two years ago that CY would be the frontman before now.

Do not see it being a big deal yesterday especially since JD hired him not CY. (Sure it was a team hire but you should know what I mean)

I just sense a lot of petty stuff and the question to JD about him being the problem should have been brought up at a different spot is my first reaction

 

[Kelleyman]

After reading the trash via Mac E my trigger is a tad looser

There is a contingent that wants JD to just get out of town so to see him is just offensive.
That is not civil

 

[saddles]

I think there are people who just don’t like JD and his personality

Just his face evidently offends some including Tom C it seems

This from the same article tends to paint a different picture.

"Now for those of you who think that Nolan Ryan is the real reason this franchise got to two World Series a decade ago and that Daniels should have been gone after the role he played in Ryan’s departure, I can’t do anything more to correct your misinformation. Daniels proved his value as a GM in those days, trading for most of the key pieces of back-to-back AL champions."

 

[saddles]

Do not see it being a big deal yesterday especially since JD hired him not CY. (Sure it was a team hire but you should know what I mean)

I just sense a lot of petty stuff and the question to JD about him being the problem should have been brought up at a different spot is my first reaction

I think had someone come on this forum two years ago and said JD will still be the frontman two years from now, that that person would be told they are just being negative.

 

[Nightcrawler]

Scionscia was good at getting to the playoffs. I like him the most out of that list.

 

[True Rangers Fan]

So you think presenting Young as qualifying to be the front man based on the following is really stupid?

1) Twi years on the job as GM
2) Two years learning under a former GM and frontman with 17 years of experience
3) A Princeton education
4) Spending Thirteen years as a player in MLB
5) Being only two years younger than the guy who has been the frontman for well over a decade

I guess I don't see a reason for saying this reasoning is flawed, much less implying it is really stupid.

Well... let me back up here. Is Cowlishaw saying that Young should be the decision maker of the Rangers, or the public face of it?

 

[saddles]

Well... let me back up here. Is Cowlishaw saying that Young should be the decision maker of the Rangers, or the public face of it?

I think he is concentrating on the public face aspect in this article.

 

[True Rangers Fan]

I think he is concentrating on the public face aspect in this article.

Oh, well in that case, sure. I stand by my opinion that being an executive in the MLB front office is still the biggest skin on the wall for Young, but I retract my hostile tone.

 

[saddles]

Oh, well in that case, sure. I stand by my opinion that being an executive in the MLB front office is still the biggest skin on the wall for Young, but I retract my hostile tone.

I think a good thing he has going for him is that he is well spoken. I would have probably mentioned that, myself.

 

[saddles]

Scionscia was good at getting to the playoffs. I like him the most out of that list.

I would be okay with him as well.

 

[Kelleyman]

I think had someone come on this forum two years ago and said JD will still be the frontman two years from now, that that person would be told they are just being negative.

Ok sorry. Not so much directed against you but for this particular situation re Woody dismissal I thought JD there was no big deal

Honestly I hope to hear CY at the podium most of the time and JD can live in the shadows

 

[saddles]

Over the years one retort that I often see when someone suggests a manager should be fired is, "who would you replace him with?" They usually go on to imply that you cannot want a manager fired without having his replacement in mind. I wish I could go back and ask them that same question now that a manager will be replaced. Unfortunately, none of those guys are on here now or never were on here.