Random FF Thoughts

[averagejoe]

Wouldn't mind seeing the Commanders be the Cinderella story with the happy ending.

That may replace Trubisky-over-Mahomes storyline for Bears fans to replace it with the Williams-over-Daniels if Wsh wins.

 

[SmokingMonkey]

Thought there was some pre- and post-draft buzz that Daniels would most likely be better in year 1, but almost all still considered Williams to be the better long-term franchise QB.

SB ring shifts things a bit, but shouldn't knock Chicago process on this one. Trubs had a whole bunch of red flags and wasn't the same caliber prospect as Williams

 

[TREFF]

here's a topic of discussion if you'd like while we're standing around waiting for the Super Bowl--

Top Rushing teams (YPG) 2024
1 Ravens *
2 Eagles *
3 Commanders *
4 Buccaneers *
5 Packers *
6 Lions *
7 Cards
8 Colts
9 Bills*
10 Falcons
11 Steelers *
12 Niners

8 of the top 12 teams, and all 6 of the top 6, made the playoffs. Of the 4 remaining, only the Chiefs are not on this list.
only 5 of the top 12 passing offenses made the playoffs- and two of those (Detroit and Balt.) were also on the rushing list.

11 of the 12 were in position to make the playoffs going into week 18, only SF was eliminated.

RB, and the rushing offense in general, is reclaiming it's rightful place in the league.



UFA's - 2025
Aaron Jones
Nick Chubb
N. Harris
JK Dobbins
Jav. Williams
AJ Dillon


A bare minimum 3-5 guys coming in the draft that could realistically be expected to be day 1 lead backs
Jeanty
Hampton
Sampson
K. Johnson
James
Both Ohio State RB's
Neal
Smith
Skatebo

I dunno that any of the UFA's are going to score big deals judging by the incoming class..many may need to wait until after the draft and hope a team with a need didn't score a decent pick- but there's gonna be some shake ups on depth charts on multiple teams next year. But teams are taking the position seriously again- its not longer the dime a dozen approach- unless your coach is a Shanny disciple.

gonna be an interesting next 6 months or so for the position in general

 

[SmokingMonkey]

But teams are taking the position seriously again- its not longer the dime a dozen approach- unless your coach is a Shanny disciple.

McVay comes from that tree

He's a workhorse RB coach, as are the off-shoot branches of his portion of that coaching tree

GB, Vikes, Cincy, Jags(TB OC), ATL

 

[SmokingMonkey]

^But not sure any of those coaches require significant investment to get a lot of juice from that position.

One could argue Rams would be even better if Kyren had any HR ability.

GB, ATL, MIN, TB all had decent investment in RB whether draft capital or FA signings. where CIN with Brown and Kyren for McVay are really the only "cheap" RBs excelling in this off-shoot.

 

[averagejoe]

8 of the top 12 [rushing teams] teams, and all 6 of the top 6, made the playoffs.

Deliberately splitting hairs here (since there's nothing else to do), but here's those 8 playoff rushing team ranks without the scrambling QB numbers:

2432 Lions minus Goff (who had the least rush yards)
2418 Eagles minus Hurts
2413 Packers minus Love (2nd-least rush yards among QB in this list)
2274 Ravens minus Jackson
2158 Buccaneers minus Mayfield
1728 Commanders minus Daniels
1722 Steelers minus Fields & Wilson
1699 Bills minus Allen

Ravens go from 1 to 6
Eagles go from 2 to 3
Commanders drop from 3 to 24
Bucs drop from 4 to 9
Lions jump from 6 to 2
Packers bump from 5 to 4
Steelers drop from 11 to 25
Bills drop from 9 to 27

Yes, my numbers are skewed because I didn't extract QB numbers from the other 24 teams.
I just wanna see Treff's head explode.

 

[TREFF]

^But not sure any of those coaches require significant investment to get a lot of juice from that position.

One could argue Rams would be even better if Kyren had any HR ability.

GB, ATL, MIN, TB all had decent investment in RB whether draft capital or FA signings. where CIN with Brown and Kyren for McVay are really the only "cheap" RBs excelling in this off-shoot.

And, somewhat surprisingly given their coaching tree lineage, Bengals, 3rd worst rushing team, Rams 9th from the bottom- even though, as you said, Kyren and Brown themselves weren't terrible.

 

[TREFF]

Deliberately splitting hairs here (since there's nothing else to do), but here's those 8 playoff rushing team ranks without the scrambling QB numbers:

2432 Lions minus Goff (who had the least rush yards)
2418 Eagles minus Hurts
2413 Packers minus Love (2nd-least rush yards among QB in this list)
2274 Ravens minus Jackson
2158 Buccaneers minus Mayfield
1728 Commanders minus Daniels
1722 Steelers minus Fields & Wilson
1699 Bills minus Allen

Ravens go from 1 to 6
Eagles go from 2 to 3
Commanders drop from 3 to 24
Bucs drop from 4 to 9
Lions jump from 6 to 2
Packers bump from 5 to 4
Steelers drop from 11 to 25
Bills drop from 9 to 27

Yes, my numbers are skewed because I didn't extract QB numbers from the other 24 teams.
I just wanna see Treff's head explode.

To be fair, only three fell out of the top 12, one of which was barely in to begin with.

I'll gladly admit, having a 'running' QB is a godsend to a run game production, even if the QB himself doesn't rush a ton. The threat neutralizes the edges, makes life much easier when they run the ball for real. Point granted, no arguments

 

[leftypower]

So what'd think guys ?

The Las Vegas Raiders have agreed to a three-year deal with former Seattle Seahawks sideline boss Pete Carroll to make him the franchise's next head coach.
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The Dallas Cowboys hired Brian Schottenheimer as their next head coach, the team announced Friday.
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The Jacksonville Jaguars hired Tampa Bay Buccaneers offensive coordinator Liam Coen as their head coach, the team announced Friday.

 

[SmokingMonkey]

So what'd think guys ?

The Las Vegas Raiders have agreed to a three-year deal with former Seattle Seahawks sideline boss Pete Carroll to make him the franchise's next head coach.
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The Dallas Cowboys hired Brian Schottenheimer as their next head coach, the team announced Friday.
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The Jacksonville Jaguars hired Tampa Bay Buccaneers offensive coordinator Liam Coen as their head coach, the team announced Friday.

Hate to say it, but I like Raiders move the most. And i didn't care much for that one at all. Stinky Pete is an old coach from a by-gone era of football that managed to hang around long enough for the tides to turn back towards his style of play, or at least turn enough to make his style relevant again.

Jags have most variance - higher ceiling and higher floor, but also a ton of issues that could be tough to navigate for a first time HC. Meaning issues with front office moreso than on the field. Canales and Coen didn't reinvent the wheel on the west side of America's hang down. They both walked into an offensive machine built by Arians/Brady/Leftwich? and they kept it humming with a QB that had the pedigree to be selected 1st overall in the draft. Not exactly difference makers, imo, but should be a solid offensive mind to work with the tools TLaw/Jags offense have. At least Canales had a bit more history of success and he earned credit for reviving Geno and Baker careers. Feel like teams are putting a lot of hope that McVays branches on the shanahan coaching tree continue to thrive.

Dallas coaching moves...wake me up when Jerry's gone and has officially passed the torch to his son. If the son plays the meddling pretend GM role too, then I'll go back to sleep.

 

[averagejoe]

Jags have most variance -

I liked Doug Petersen.
Maybe Petersen's offense has a Kingsbury reputation to it, where it starts hot then cools off over time?
But considering how Doug has helped other QB, maybe the problem is Trevor?

 

[SmokingMonkey]

I liked Doug Petersen.
Maybe Petersen's offense has a Kingsbury reputation to it, where it starts hot then cools off over time?
But considering how Doug has helped other QB, maybe the problem is Trevor?

That extension is really gonna set them back if he's the problem

 

[TREFF]

I liked Doug Petersen.
Maybe Petersen's offense has a Kingsbury reputation to it, where it starts hot then cools off over time?
But considering how Doug has helped other QB, maybe the problem is Trevor?

Well, Doug got a ton out of the likes of Alex Smith, Carson Wentz, Nick Foles..pure prototypical pocket passers

Trevor Lawrence is something a little different. Pederson was Vick's QB coach, and Vick did fine in Philly, but that was under Andy Reid and Morningwhig AND Nagy also.

Could be that marriage just want meant to be. Could be Trevor just ain't very good.
If I were choosing between the two to build a team, I'm taking Pederson

 

[wilwhite]

Could be Trevor just ain't very good.

I don't think he's cut out for the NFL. I voted him Most Likely to Retire After Year 6 and Join the Peace Corps.

 

[Chef99]

I don't think he's cut out for the NFL. I voted him Most Likely to Retire After Year 6 and Join the Peace Corps.

A Head and Shoulders commercial is SO in his future.

Mahomes and the Steelers dude are waiting.

 

[SmokingMonkey]

Seeing a lot of roughing the passer statistics and chiefs fans pointing to more calls made for Josh Allen.

It was never about the volume of calls, always about the timing/situation.
Lack of contact on Mahomes without picking up the flag, the holding penalty vs eagles when rest of game they let them play through it. Refs make mistakes for both teams in every game, hopefully they stay out of the way and we get to see Mahomes/Allen determine who wins today

 

[tlance]

Sounds about right, Romo handling this booth gig like it's a FG snap in the playoffs.

Everyone could tell Bills got all their momentum on that 2nd play, it was a game changer!

You guys are way too hard on the commentators.

You know how hard it is to have something relevant to say in the 35 seconds or so between every single play?

Romo offers a lot of insight and his assessments of what teams are running are almost always spot on.

I think Romo is pretty good.

 

[tlance]

They did keep at it though. They ran 30 times on 57 plays. Seven of the passing plays came on the final drive. So that is three out of every five plays being a run up until the final drive.

Henry's first four carries went for 3 yards total. No, I don't think he had anything to do with the first TD. Other than generic defense concerned about the best run game in the league.

This game was about the three turnovers and the two botched 2-point conversions.

They kept at it with Justice Hill and with Henry watching.

It isn’t about the number of runs they had. It is about complete and utter failure to use their second best player.

I get that Hill handles the passing downs, and that is fine. But when he is on the field on early downs in neutral situations, that is a clear win for the defense.

 

[tlance]

I don't have anything against the Bills, but I'm rooting for the Chiefs. I really like Andy Reid and don't think he gets nearly as much credit as he deserves. That and all the anti-Chiefs rhetoric has now swung the other way for me. I'm tired of everybody bitching about them so I hope they win again.

Me too. Except for the win it all part. That would be the Commanders for me.

The hate goes way too far.

People criticizing Mahomes for baiting defenders into personal fouls?

He is doing nothing against the rules. Leveraging the rules to his favor to improve his teams odds of winning and taking extra hits along the way.

I can see why Andy Reid might not want him to do this too often. But he is making smart football plays. Pretty dumb to criticize that IMO.

 

[SmokingMonkey]

Me too. Except for the win it all part. That would be the Commanders for me.

The hate goes way too far.

People criticizing Mahomes for baiting defenders into personal fouls?

He is doing nothing against the rules. Leveraging the rules to his favor to improve his teams odds of winning and taking extra hits along the way.

I can see why Andy Reid might not want him to do this too often. But he is making smart football plays. Pretty dumb to criticize that IMO.

Abuse the rule put in place to protect QBs, what could go wrong?