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Sunday Night Football: RAMS/BROWNS

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RBs are part of the offense, the one you called bad outside of Baker/OBJ. Did you just not know they were part of the O?
No- I just don't care. RBDM ain't just a joke. It's like asking me if Kareem Hunt or Damien Williams are better.

Eat Arby's.
 

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JuJu and James Washington, yes. Least I am going there right now.

That's pushing it though.

Courtland Sutton
Emmanuel Sanders
Daesean Hamilton

Yep, better than the Browns by virtue of depth.

Bucs???

Mike Evans
Chris Godwin.

Sit down, it's not close.

You mentioned the Broncos. Too funny. Chris Godwin? Here are his & Landry's career #'s.

Landry- 491 catches / 5,175 yards / 26 TD's / 5.9 catches per game (two 1,100 yard seasons- in Miami of all places & 2 seasons of 970 yards) & 4x Pro Bolwer. Two 100 catch seasons & 3 seasons with 80+.

Godwin- 107 catches / 1,581 yards / 10 TD's / 3.1 catches per game (zero 1,000 yard seasons). Zero 100 catch or 80 catch seasons.

Granted Godwin's only in his 3rd year. But even though 2 full seasons Landry has more catches, yards & TD's. Godwin though 2 years 93 catches. Landry- 194.


"Sit down, it's not close". Alrighty then. :crazy:
 

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As long as you also ignore the other WRs on their team and the others you mentioned.

Is Landry a star? Nope. But he is a good WR. Since you talked about how depth is so important, name the teams with better 3rd/4th guys than Higgins/Callaway.
Higgins and Callaway are replacement value guys at the moment. Every team but the very worst WR groups will have these kind of players as their 3 and 4.

The debate here is if Landry is any kind of good, or even average.
 

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They would be higher quality catches than force-fed junk catch to Landry is the thing. Even if you up his YPC, his catch % will plummet as it rather predictably has given Cleveland's usage of Landry.
Can I up his YPC with made up numbers like you did? 7 ypc? Guy is at 10.5 for his career. 16 this year and 12 last season. Never below 8.8

In you to admit you were wrong?
 

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You mentioned the Broncos. Too funny. Chris Godwin? Here are his & Landry's career #'s.

Landry- 491 catches / 5,175 yards / 26 TD's / 5.9 catches per game (two 1,100 yard seasons- in Miami of all places & 2 seasons of 970 yards) & 4x Pro Bolwer. Two 100 catch seasons & 3 seasons with 80+.

Godwin- 107 catches / 1,581 yards / 10 TD's / 3.1 catches per game (zero 1,000 yard seasons). Zero 100 catch or 80 catch seasons.

Granted Godwin's only in his 3rd year. But even though 2 full seasons Landry has more catches, yards & TD's. Godwin though 2 years 93 catches. Landry- 194.


"Sit down, it's not close". Alrighty then. :crazy:
I have some bad news for you when you compare their targetshares. Hint- one has a massively bloated targetshare on a bad team, and did relatively unimpressive things with it. The only reason Godwin doesn't achieve those numbers is the Bucs are vaguely smart enough to not shove 160 targets at a WR just because. Even last night when Landry has an ok yardage total, he only caught a third of his targets. He's horrifically overrated still, apparently.

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Higgins and Callaway are replacement value guys at the moment. Every team but the very worst WR groups will have these kind of players as their 3 and 4.

The debate here is if Landry is any kind of good, or even average.
Actually, the debate was you saying there are 20 teams with better WRs than the Browns then naming some of these teams making you look more foolish.

You even doubled down by just making shit up - "You can force feed inefficient targets to a WR short of the marker when you're in the 7-9 YPC range."

He is in the 10.5 YPC range for his career. 12+ last year and 16+ in this short season. Never lower than 8.8 for a season.
 

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Actually, the debate was you saying there are 20 teams with better WRs than the Browns then naming some of these teams making you look more foolish.

You even doubled down by just making shit up - "You can force feed inefficient targets to a WR short of the marker when you're in the 7-9 YPC range."

He is in the 10.5 YPC range for his career. 12+ last year and 16+ in this short season. Never lower than 8.8 for a season.
Now check his yards per target in Cleveland. Their usage of him is different in Cleveland, but it's actually not any better. Still bad.
 

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Wow guys, a 43.5 catch % with Baker Mayfield as your QB must be good with a 7.0 Yards/Target. But his YPC is up!

-Dummies
 

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Now check his yards per target in Cleveland. Their usage of him is different in Cleveland, but it's actually not any better. Still bad.
why would I check yards/target? You said 7-9 ypc. are you thinking the "c" there stands for target?

You were wrong. Really that simple
 

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You said 7-9 ypc. You were wrong. Really that simple
Twas the case in Miami. (albeit he had the amazing 10.5 YPC season, I have been very owned)

Doesn't change the implicature at all really: He's inefficient. It's like owning me about PEMDAS. I just have to laugh if you think that changes anything here. Yes, teams use the same WR differently. Guess what, he still has horrible overall efficiency numbers and his yards per target and catch % reflect that. He hasn't been particularly good since 2016.
 

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Twas the case in Miami.

Doesn't change the implicature at all really: He's inefficient. It's like owning me about PEMDAS. I just have to laugh if you think that changes anything here. Yes, teams use the same WR differently. Guess what, he still has horrible overall efficiency numbers and his yards per target and catch % reflect that. He hasn't been particularly good since 2016.
he was roughly 10 ypc in Miami. Never lower than 8.8.

It changes something because you used made up #s to support your stance and you were called out on it.

You could be an adult, man up and own your gaffe.
 

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I have some bad news for you when you compare their targetshares. Hint- one has a massively bloated targetshare on a bad team, and did relatively unimpressive things with it. The only reason Godwin doesn't achieve those numbers is the Bucs are vaguely smart enough to not shove 160 targets at a WR just because. Even last night when Landry has an ok yardage total, he only caught a third of his targets. He's horrifically overrated still, apparently.

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Landry played with shit QB's in Miami & now plays with a QB that just started his 16th career game. Here's the list of QB's Landry was catching passes from in Miami- Tannehill, Matt Moore, Jay Culter. I think it's safe to say that Winston's better than those 3 QB's.

I'm not saying the Browns WR's are great or anything. But I think they're better than some of the teams you listed. And Landry > Godwin (right now) in my opinion.
 

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he was roughly 10 ypc in Miami. Never lower than 8.8.

It changes something because you used made up #s to support your stance and you were called out on it.

You could be an adult, man up and own your gaffe.
*blinks*

Me: Say Landry is inefficient; points out his yards per target and YPC are consistently either bad and/or empty

You: You skipped a logical step- you need to own up to it and forfeit the argument.
 

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Wow guys, a 43.5 catch % with Baker Mayfield as your QB must be good with a 7.0 Yards/Target. But his YPC is up!

-Dummies
First you say catching a lot of balls no big deal when they are short. You even said better off catching less but for more yards. Now he is catching less and for more yards and you are ridiculing him.

Please never change.
 

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*blinks*

Me: Say Landry is inefficient; points out his yards per target and YPC are consistently either bad and/or empty

You: You skipped a logical step- you need to own up to it and forfeit the argument.

you - You can force feed inefficient targets to a WR short of the marker when you're in the 7-9 YPC range.

truth - he is over 10 yards per reception

You lied and got caught.
 

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First you say catching a lot of balls no big deal when they are short. You even said better off catching less but for more yards. Now he is catching less and for more yards and you are ridiculing him.

Please never change.
The point was that he was inefficient, YPC in Miami being an indicator as that is most of his career, but his YPC going up in Cleveland and his catch % dropping so much his YDs/Target is virtually unchanged really isn't the own you seem to be thinking it is. It just means he's found a new way to be inefficient; or just used differently to reach the same conclusion.
 

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*blinks*

Me: Say Landry is inefficient; points out his yards per target and YPC are consistently either bad and/or empty

You: You skipped a logical step- you need to own up to it and forfeit the argument.

you - You can force feed inefficient targets to a WR short of the marker when you're in the 7-9 YPC range.

truth - he is over 10 yards per reception

You lied and got caught.

I love that neither of you even needs the other one to respond to keep the argument going :thumb:
 
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