Rams back up QBs

[demiurge]

Not sure I understand you here. Please explain football to us.

Us? No, I was being a bit more specific than that. There's quite a few folks that understand football on this board.

Funny how now the team is playing without Bradford.

Right. The young team coming together finally after stinking up the joint in the first few weeks.

This is a team that average 2.9 yards a rush for the first 4 preseason games. Less than 3 yards.

In the regular season, under Bradford the running game produced:

67, 69, 35, 18, 143, 99. An average of 66 yards a game. Bradford went 3-3 in those contests, with little run support.

We'll take out Carolina, as both QBs played there as Bradford went down.

Since getting his first start, Clemens has gotten 200, 160, 140, and 258 yards rushing. 189.5 yards per game. He's getting TRIPLE the run support. And he's got the same winning percentage, 2-2, .500 ball.

Clemens May not be a big time QB and not über talented just like Tebow... But the Rams are killin teams right now. They are building something here no doubt.

Exactly what I've been saying.

Oh and it's without your lover Sam. Haha. It's really killin you huh?

You really have an obsession with people being in love with Sam, and have a half naked sweaty guy as an avatar.

That's OK though. Its perfectly acceptable in this day and age. Don't let anybody give you any grief about it man. Be true to who you are.

Clemens is way better than Bradford in the pocket. That's obvious.

I'd actually agree with that.

And Bradford has better touch, better accuracy, a stronger arm, reads defenses better, which all leads him to score a LOT more TDs and have a lower interception percentage.

And if he got the same run support we'd all be singing his praises right now. But the running game was virtually non-existent in the first 10 games (including preseason) and has come together finally.

Which is great.

But it doesn't make Clemens a good QB. He's got heart, but the team is winning despite his deficiencies.

And we are getting back to the meat of the schedule, with the Niners, Cards, Saints, and Seahawks as 4 of the next 5 games. Let's hope he steps up his game. 48% without all-Pros Briggs and Tillman in the lineup is a pretty worrying sign.

 

[demiurge]

Three stellar performances from guys coming out of a long slumber. I know this is going to continue. They have no reason to now regress. There are no excuses left.

This has been coming against teams really rocked by injury in the last few games. If it continues against the 49ers I'd be ecstatic, but I think that's a long shot. Lets hope they just man up. They were physically beaten in the last game.

I'd be really surprised if they managed this against the next 3 opponents. Close fought, nail biting wins and/or staying in the game until the last is what I'd expect. What we saw last year, back when we had more vets but less talent on the roster.

 

[Vitamike]

Now wait a minute. Lol. Clemens isn't great but he made some crucial throws, had no Turnovers and had a big TD to Cook on 3rd down. Plus the offense is clicking with him.

He's 2-2 btw.

Hey I've always said that I like Clemens.

A lot of other people wanted to paint this guy as garbage, however I remember him coming in and doing a fine job for the Rams the last time Sam went down with injury. Hell, even with that awful team we had in 2010 and with worse coaching...

Kellen then, almost beat a highly seeded 49ers team looking to secure home field for the playoffs with a win in the last week of the season.

I wasn't sure if he had lost a step or two since then however beating out Austin for the No. 2 spot told me one of two things, either he still had something or Austin had reverted much. Right now, it's looking like the former.

A couple of things I really like about Clemens over Bradford is one his touch.

He throws a ball that is much more catchable then Bradford does. (That said, this is the NFL and that shouldn't factor in except for one glaring factor, we are a young team so velocity probably does factor in, whether it 'should' or not.)

The other, Clemens does a much better job scrambling in the pocket.

Now I know you two are having too much fun regarding the apparent flip the team has done in the last two games however it doesn't quite match up to Bradford's departure due to his injury does it?

As we all know, we struggled in two games after Sam's injury much like we did, earlier in the season, prior to Sam's injury.

Much of the recent success is in large part to Jeff Fisher and company's offensive changes and commitment to running the ball.

They drastically changed the way we line up on the offensive side of the ball. They brought the TE's close, put a FB in the backfield so we can run the ball and completely abandoned the spread offense. Why don't cha' all talk about that? Oh never mind, we all know!

With this effort to our offensive changes, made prior to Bradford's injury, we've been able to focus on the run and have had much success because of it. This alone has allowed the passing game to change for the better.

Remember, a lot of the dink and dunk was an effort to supplement the lack of a running game. With that obstacle aside, we no longer need the underneath stuff 5 yards and shorter. We now can look for an effective passing game that complements the run that sends WR's down field.

Hell, we didn't even send WR's down field, earlier in the season, for much of the game! Remember that stat I put up about NFL WR's running routes less than 5 yards and the Rams had the top three leading all other NFL receivers by leaps and bounds? I'll find it if I need too! LOL

Oh well, like I said, I'm sure this is all good fun for y'all but if you can jog your memories, we all saw flashes of this with Sam in his final full game vs Houston where the Rams saw a similar score as to the last two games vs Indy & Chicago due to a much improved rushing attack. I say much improved however, even though we may have doubled our season to date rushing average in that game, it was still under 100 yards! LOL. Just look at what we got today, 258 yards rushing and 140 yards vs Indy!

So if anyone wants to discount the wholesale changes we made to our basic offensive sets are either pretending about the realities of it all or just don't know much about the basics of football. And with the two of you, it ain't the latter!

Hell I didn't even scratch the surface with your challenges I pointed out prior to the season regarding our youth! We had so many penalties and rookie learning curves, this season is playing out a lot like my preseason of this team coming on later in the season.

The only thing greater than talent is talent and experience!

 

[Vitamike]

Tebow has nothing to do with this. Lol. This is about back up QBs at the dome.

Clearly some people don't even read before posting.

After reading this below, you Sir are having a problem following your own agenda!

Oh but look at Bradford's stats!

 

[Vitamike]

Is that 3 pass plays over 20 yards? Weird cuz i thought the OC ALWAYS called short pass plays?

Cook for 27 yards.

This too tells everyone what you're real agenda is....

Damn Sports Junkie, what to you think?

Everyone a fool?

Tell us all again what this thread is really all about?

 

[demiurge]

@Vita - yeah, I concur with almost all of that (except Clemens throwing a more catchable ball, but he definitely has better pocket presence). We are running the ball with authority against beat up teams the last two weeks, but I concur more importantly Schottenheimer is adjusting to his personnel and the kids are starting to learn how to play together.

Bradford running this offense would have been more efficient than Clemens IMO, but we only got to see flashes of that unfortunately before he went down.

 

[Vitamike]

@Vita - yeah, I concur with almost all of that (except Clemens throwing a more catchable ball, but he definitely has better pocket presence). We are running the ball with authority against beat up teams the last two weeks, but I concur more importantly Schottenheimer is adjusting to his personnel and the kids are starting to learn how to play together.

Bradford running this offense would have been more efficient than Clemens IMO, but we only got to see flashes of that unfortunately before he went down.

demiurge, what I'm saying is Clemens throws the ball easier or with a little more touch than Sam on those shorter routes.

That comes into play when you have new guys in the system like Cookie and young guys like Tavon who, early on were trying to figure out the NFL defenses and game speed.

Getting those floaters that Kellen throws, as opposed to bullets Sam throws, allows them to take their eye off it a second or two sooner to make their move.

Those minor nuances affect the success with these young or new guys trying to make a play.

Sam can learn a thing or two from his backup and would be better for it if you asked me.

 

[Clayton]

Tebow has nothing to do with this. Lol. This is about back up QBs at the dome.

Clearly some people don't even read before posting.

Not surprised you can't understand analogies

 

[LTR1961]

Maybe Schottenheimer was calling that short shit for Sammie because he is not as adept at the long ball as Clemens. Who Knew??

In the first 6 games Bradford had at least 13 passing plays of 20 or more yards with a long of 78 yards.

 

[LTR1961]

"Now wait a minute. Lol. Clemens isn't great but he made some crucial throws, had no Turnovers and had a big TD to Cook on 3rd down. Plus the offense is clicking with him.

He's 2-2 btw."

Yes Clemens did make some nice throws yesterday and the zero turnovers was the biggest key. He's had a problem with picks in the past so that was nice to see.

Sam was 3-4 as a starter btw but what's the point. You complain about people using stats to judge QB's but wins and loses is the worst way to judge a QB. TEAMS win or lose games.

 

[SJ76]

Boy the Rams winning without Sam is just killing yous. Too funny.

I love the excuses 3 miles long. Almost Novel like.



You are CRYING! My agenda? LOLOL You mean the truth and what I have been saying ALL along which really hurts your heart... That we don't need Sam? We are actually playing good football right now and YES.. Without Sam! Can you accept that??


I'm just saying that the Rams are doing pretty good right now without him. AND IT'S KILLING YOU! HAHAHAHA I'm not the only one either. There are others (not in Love) that see that the Rams are ok without Sam. Funny how it just is a miracle that Clemens (a very average QB as well) comes in and Bradford is gone, only to have some SWAG finally. Everyone looks confident don't they? Have you ever seen #8 look confident? Funny cuz the offense goes as the QB goes.

You really have an obsession with people being in love with Sam, and have a half
naked sweaty guy as an avatar.

I have an obsession with you Sam lovers? Or you Lovers of Sam are obsessed with him? LOL

Hilarious! I think it's quite amusing.

Let me introduce you to Ravishing Rick Rude.

 

[demiurge]

In the first 6 games Bradford had at least 13 passing plays of 20 or more yards with a long of 78 yards.

Shhhh. Stats aren't allowed here. This is about how people feel. LOL.

Oh, and he had a couple of big ones brought back due to rookies making rookie mistakes. That's been cut down considerably and that alone has made a huge impact.

As much as we tease each other, I think everyone will be overjoyed next year if the Rams start the season with this kind of focus and experience. Several of these rookies that are only marginal now will end up panning out - most rookies take a while to develop. The real break point where the light turns on is usually year 3 or so if you make it that long.

 

[SJ76]

demiurge, what I'm saying is Clemens throws the ball easier or with a little more touch than Sam on those shorter routes.

That comes into play when you have new guys in the system like Cookie and
young guys like Tavon who, early on were trying to figure out the NFL defenses
and game speed.

Getting those floaters that Kellen throws, as opposed
to bullets Sam throws, allows them to take their eye off it a second or two
sooner to make their move.

It's called rythmn! Clemens seems to be in sync with these WRs. And call it they are finally coming around (LOL). Or call it that Clemens actually has it with these WRs. OF COURSE it has nothing to do with #8! He's the golden child that you all are in love with - DOES NO WRONG!

Clemens throws floaters, Bradford bullets?? Please. Very similar arm strength, but not accuracy. However, did you not see Clemens actually complete passes for more than 15 yards yesterday? Oh I guess the OC does have options over 7-8 yards huh? STRANGE ISN'T IT? Clemens made some good throws to our WRs. Everyone looked in sync for once.

But of course that would have finally happen with Bradford!

See I am just the realist voice here on the Rams board for you Sam lovers. It's funny cuz you all get so upset and think I have some stupid agenda against a QB that has done SQUAT! YOU ALL are the ones still making excuses! Still finding stats and BS excuses to make YOUR case, which is looking sad right now!


IT REALLY IS VERY AMUSING.

 

[SJ76]

Shhhh. Stats aren't allowed here. This is about how people feel. LOL.

Stats are fine. Just tell both sides of the story. WOW. What women we have for Rams fans.

Here's a stat: What are out points per game the last 4 games? Oh but that's not allowed because it's anti-Sam. LOL


For killing the Bears yesterday, you all sure are sounding like a bunch of ladies. Too bad you are so sad because it was NOT Sam Bradford that finally helped this offense click.

It was Kellen Clemens! LMAO

 

[SJ76]

As much as we tease each other, I think everyone will be overjoyed next year if
the Rams start the season with this kind of focus and experience. Several of
these rookies that are only marginal now will end up panning out - most rookies
take a while to develop. The real break point where the light turns on is
usually year 3 or so if you make it that long.

What if your loverboy isn't in sync with his WRs? You people (LOLOL) assume that Bradford is just going to step in and have this same kind of cohesion with the offense? But he Never really has.

I love it. It's just an automatic that #8 is going to flip the switch and be the leader of this offense.

Sam doesn't have the pocket awareness that Clemens has. He doesn't step up in the pocket at all!! He can't buy more time with his feet. Sam needs perfect protection!

 

[demiurge]

Stats are fine. Just tell both sides of the story. WOW. What women we have for Rams fans.

Here's a stat: What are out points per game the last 4 games? Oh but that's not allowed because it's anti-Sam. LOL


For killing the Bears yesterday, you all sure are sounding like a bunch of ladies. Too bad you are so sad because it was NOT Sam Bradford that finally helped this offense click.

It was Kellen Clemens! LMAO

We've already explained that one for you.

We started putting up a lot of points when we went from a spread offense that couldn't run the ball to a power running game that feasted off play action - and when we started playing some of the worse defenses in the league, thereby tripling our running output.

Oh, sorry, feast means 'ate up with great gusto.' Gusto means... ah, not worth the time.

The smart people get that.

I'm pretty sure Bradford could average 52% of his passes with that offense and score 3 passing TDs. He did a far better job than that when the entire defense was geared to stopping him, because we couldn't run at all at the beginning of the year.

 

[SJ76]

Yeah I am sure Bradford would just step into the offense and win as well. he's been so solid for us. Displayed so much confidence.




You explained squat. And you assume alot of BS. Period

 

[demiurge]

demiurge, what I'm saying is Clemens throws the ball easier or with a little more touch than Sam on those shorter routes.

Which is why his completion percentage is so much higher.... oh, no. It is way worse. 52%. No better than it has been when he was getting cut by multiple other teams, including a fossilized Jeff Garcia at 41.

It's called rythmn! Clemens seems to be in sync with these WRs. And call it they are finally coming around (LOL). Or call it that Clemens actually has it with these WRs. OF COURSE it has nothing to do with #8! He's the golden child that you all are in love with - DOES NO WRONG!

Bradford does plenty wrong. But he has far more tools to work with than Clemens. Hence he was taken #1 overall in the draft.

Clemens throws floaters, Bradford bullets?? Please. Very similar arm strength, but not accuracy. However, did you not see Clemens actually complete passes for more than 15 yards yesterday? Oh I guess the OC does have options over 7-8 yards huh? STRANGE ISN'T IT? Clemens made some good throws to our WRs. Everyone looked in sync for once.

Right. That has nothing to do with the scheme we run, the maturity of the rookie recievers working in, Austin finally breaking out, or the quality of defenses that we've played. We played one good D under Clemens run so far - Seattle. And they OWNED Clemens.

But of course that would have finally happen with Bradford!

Bradford's rookie year he put up some big numbers, hence rookie of the year. This is the year he was finally supposed to get the weapons he needed - and the O staggered out of the gate, completely unable to run the ball.

Now its running like gangbusters, and that OH SO IN SYNC QB is making half his passes.

It's funny cuz you all get so upset and think I have some stupid agenda against a QB that has done SQUAT! YOU ALL are the ones still making excuses! Still finding stats and BS excuses to make YOUR case, which is looking sad right now!


IT REALLY IS VERY AMUSING.

More sad and pathetic.

But I'm guessing you don't have much else.

 

[demiurge]

Oh, your avatar. Ah, yes, Ravishing Rick Rude. Bad guy wrestler. They have a term for that. The Heel. The guy that pisses off everyone on purpose.

No why would someone identify with that particular avatar and post antagonistically on a bulletin board?

You are awfully transparent.

 

[demiurge]

There's a difference between presenting an argument and consistently calling someone a girl or homosexual because they think a certain player has merit.

That's been consistent on this board by one and only one person.

And of course we have a guy whose avatar is a person who is intrinsically a troll as the person that's doing that.

You want to let that behavior happen on your board, that's fine.

But you'll have less people here because of it. People are already talking of leaving.

That only goes to make this a less successful board.