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[flyerhawk]

The overreaction/underreaction, what have you, has nothing to do with his injury history...

Yup. It does, however, have a lot to do with pundits saying he's a top 5 pick now and ignoring his injury history.

 

[jerseyhawksfan79]

Has Penix been injured this season? How many games has he missed the last two seasons? I guess I don’t understand why you keep hanging onto the injury history…

He did play hurt. I believe it was the Oregon game he took a pretty good shot.

 

[MrS]

Yup. It does, however, have a lot to do with pundits saying he's a top 5 pick now and ignoring his injury history.

I dare to say none of these pundits have seen him play until last night

 

[Anointed One]

Yup. It does, however, have a lot to do with pundits saying he's a top 5 pick now and ignoring his injury history.

Oh wow. Haven’t seen top 5 mentions yet. Highest I saw was Penix to Falcons at 5… Overall, I’d be surprised if he isn’t taken in the 1st round

 

[flyerhawk]

I dare to say none of these pundits have seen him play until last night

Someone like Klatt watches a lot of football. But mostly Big 10 football games. So I wouldn't be shocked if you are right although I imagine most of these pundits watch a lot of football in general. It's their job and despite what many fans think of them, they do know a lot about the game.

IMO, Klatt was probably just trolling for clicks with that comment. No real downside for him to say something like that.

 

[flyerhawk]

Oh wow. Haven’t seen top 5 mentions yet. Highest I saw was Penix to Falcons at 5… Overall, I’d be surprised if he isn’t taken in the 1st round

I think he could definitely go in the 1st round.

 

[MrS]

Someone like Klatt watches a lot of football. But mostly Big 10 football games. So I wouldn't be shocked if you are right although I imagine most of these pundits watch a lot of football in general. It's their job and despite what many fans think of them, they do know a lot about the game.

IMO, Klatt was probably just trolling for clicks with that comment. No real downside for him to say something like that.

they are still human, they still have biases that they may not even realize exist. and there is a definite east coast bias with almost all of them. just look at the heisman voting by region.

 

[flyerhawk]

they are still human, they still have biases that they may not even realize exist. and there is a definite east coast bias with almost all of them. just look at the heisman voting by region.

While I certainly agree that there is an East Coast bias, I'm not sure I'm seeing it in the vote results for the Heisman.

 

[MrS]

While I certainly agree that there is an East Coast bias, I'm not sure I'm seeing it in the vote results for the Heisman.

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heres the map:


seems biased to me, especially the south region but it makes sense, thats where he is from.

is this the first year they broke it down into regions? cant find that data for last year.

 

[Sharkonabicycle]

I'd still like to know how North and South Dakota got included in the 'FAR WEST'...

 

[MrS]

I'd still like to know how North and South Dakota got included in the 'FAR WEST'...

"far west" itself shows the east coast bias

"far, far away on the west coast"

 

[flyerhawk]

I'd still like to know how North and South Dakota got included in the 'FAR WEST'...

There are like 10 people that live in those states. I'd imagine there are a lot more UW, Boise State fans in those 2 states than Ohio State and Penn State fans.

 

[flyerhawk]

"far west" itself shows the east coast bias

"far, far away on the west coast"

Why? It's just in contrast to midwest. Kinda like the Far East and the Middle East?

 

[JMR]

heres the map:
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seems biased to me, especially the south region but it makes sense, thats where he is from.

is this the first year they broke it down into regions? cant find that data for last year.

Without a color key, I am not quite sure what this map is telling me.

On the matrix that Flyer shared, what I see is region-based tribalism. All finalists performed best in their regions. Penix did the worst closest to where Jayden Daniels played. Jayden Daniels did the worst in Penix's region. You know what killed Penix for the Heisman? Two things: fading numbers late in the season, and having another finalist just a few hours south on I-5.

East coast bias is a thing, but to show it in the Heisman voting you would have to have two sets of outcomes -- one where the voters don't know where the finalists are from, and then one where they do but with everything else being equal. Without that, you can't prove there was east coast bias in the Heisman just because the guy from LSU won.

 

[kcden]

Without a color key, I am not quite sure what this map is telling me.

On the matrix that Flyer shared, what I see is region-based tribalism. All finalists performed best in their regions. Penix did the worst closest to where Jayden Daniels played. Jayden Daniels did the worst in Penix's region. You know what killed Penix for the Heisman? Two things: fading numbers late in the season, and having another finalist just a few hours south on I-5.

East coast bias is a thing, but to show it in the Heisman voting you would have to have two sets of outcomes -- one where the voters don't know where the finalists are from, and then one where they do but with everything else being equal. Without that, you can't prove there was east coast bias in the Heisman just because the guy from LSU won.

It's very easy to see the bias. If you swap their teams, Penix would have won the Heisman.

I don't think it's dome egregious injustice that Daniel's won, because he had an outstanding year and, depending on what you think should be most valid criteria for the award, hecwas certainly deserving, but the fact of the matter is if he had had the exact same year for UW and Penix did for LSU, Penix would be the Heisman.

 

[flyerhawk]

It's very easy to see the bias. If you swap their teams, Penix would have won the Heisman.

I don't think it's dome egregious injustice that Daniel's won, because he had an outstanding year and, depending on what you think should be most valid criteria for the award, hecwas certainly deserving, but the fact of the matter is if he had had the exact same year for UW and Penix did for LSU, Penix would be the Heisman.

That really isn't true.

Michael Penix stats

65.7% Comp | 4,218 Yards | 9.03 YPA | 33 TDs | 9 INTs

Jayden Daniels stats

72.2% Comp | 3,812 Yards | 11.7 YPA | 40 TDs | 4 INTs

So Daniels had 7 more TDs and 5 fewer ints.

And when you factor in running stats..

Michael Penix
29 Rushes | -18 Yards | -0.6 YPR | 3 TDs

Jayden Daniels
135 Rushes | 1,134 Yards | 8.4 YPR | 10 TDs

It's not even really close.

 

[kcden]

That really isn't true.

Michael Penix stats

65.7% Comp | 4,218 Yards | 9.03 YPA | 33 TDs | 9 INTs

Jayden Daniels stats

72.2% Comp | 3,812 Yards | 11.7 YPA | 40 TDs | 4 INTs

So Daniels had 7 more TDs and 5 fewer ints.

And when you factor in running stats..

Michael Penix
29 Rushes | -18 Yards | -0.6 YPR | 3 TDs

Jayden Daniels
135 Rushes | 1,134 Yards | 8.4 YPR | 10 TDs

It's not even really close.

Only looking at stats, which is part of my point. If those same stats were swapped to be at UW and the other to LSU, the guy at LSU would have won (with the same team outcomes... LSU at 13-0 and UW at 9-3).

 

[kcden]

I'm also not saying it was an injustice; I thought Daniels should have won it (as he did), but it would also have made sense for Penix to win if you consider that there is no chance that team sniffs the CFP w/o Penix, and plenty of other factors play into the stat disparities.

 

[JMR]

Daniels had better overall numbers than Penix. That's plainly obvious. It's a poor argument for someone to claim bias in favor of the guy with better numbers. In fact, it makes no sense whatsoever.

 

[kcden]

Daniels had better overall numbers than Penix. That's plainly obvious. It's a poor argument for someone to claim bias in favor of the guy with better numbers. In fact, it makes no sense whatsoever.

The award isn't "the best numbers in college football". Other factors should and do matter.

I am 100% certain on my opinion that if the teams were reversed, Penix would have won. Daniels wouldn't have even been in the conversation if he QB'd a 9-3 Husky squad and an undefeated LSU had a QB with Penix's season.