Possible trouble in Norman....

[romeo212000]

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Not all are innocent in this. You have to love the fact that people are saying he is making assumptions, while taking the other side of the argument with their own assumptions. At this pt, it seems all we really know is Mixon hit her. That seems to be agreed upon by both sides. What led to his actions are what is unknown or at least unconfirmed at this pt

Truth is, we know little or nothing so like I said, everyone just needs to wait for the conclusion of the investigation. My big issue (other than hizzles hypocrisy) is people seem to want to damn this kid based on general, all inclusive, broad sweeping statements like, "it's never okay to hit a female." That's bull shit.

 

[Codaxx]

Truth is, we know little or nothing so like I said, everyone just needs to wait for the conclusion of the investigation. My big issue (other than hizzles hypocrisy) is people seem to want to damn this kid based on general, all inclusive, broad sweeping statements like, "it's never okay to hit a female." That's bull shit.

Well, I am in that camp. 90% of the time it is not "okay to hit a female". I would go so far as to say hitting a 130lb guy when you are 210-220LBs is pretty weak. Lets see what led to the actions, maybe it is in the 10% of the time.

 

[fordman84]

Really? A toddler is the same as an adult human? Come on fordman.

Obviously I'm drawing a larger distinction, but when you far outsize someone in a hand to hand situation you need to know your limits.

It's along the same lines as people who have advanced hand to hand combat training. They have to know that if some spare on the street punches them, they have the training to very quickly do a lot of damage. So they have to be mindful of the limits they go. Same thing with a large male athlete and a small female drunk.

And I'm not saying he IS wrong. Just that he should have known better, or at least what the initial reactions would be.

 

[romeo212000]

Well, I am in that camp. 90% of the time it is not "okay to hit a female". I would go so far as to say hitting a 130lb guy when you are 210-220LBs is pretty weak. Lets see what led to the actions, maybe it is in the 10% of the time.

I agree that we need to wait and see. Been saying so the whole time. Mixon's attorney seems pretty confident the law is on his side

 

[romeo212000]

Obviously I'm drawing a larger distinction, but when you far outsize someone in a hand to hand situation you need to know your limits.

It's along the same lines as people who have advanced hand to hand combat training. They have to know that if some spare on the street punches them, they have the training to very quickly do a lot of damage. So they have to be mindful of the limits they go. Same thing with a large male athlete and a small female drunk.

Sorry, but we disagree. Someone isn't absolved from being retribution just because they're smaller and weaker. That's a bull shit double standard. I do believe that said person's first response should be to remove himself from that situation if at all possible and respond with force only when that option isn't feasible.

 

[Codaxx]

Obviously I'm drawing a larger distinction, but when you far outsize someone in a hand to hand situation you need to know your limits.

It's along the same lines as people who have advanced hand to hand combat training. They have to know that if some spare on the street punches them, they have the training to very quickly do a lot of damage. So they have to be mindful of the limits they go. Same thing with a large male athlete and a small female drunk.

And I'm not saying he IS wrong. Just that he should have known better, or at least what the initial reactions would be.

Agreed. Mixon is highly likely to be guilty of making a poor decision, but that decision may not be a crime. That is why I thought it is probably best for both OU and Mixon to give him some alone time with the S&C coach and perhaps a 1-2 game suspension (LaTech and/or Tulsa). OU wont need him and it will be a nice lesson learned for Mixon.

 

[Kevin12773]

Obviously I'm drawing a larger distinction, but when you far outsize someone in a hand to hand situation you need to know your limits.

It's along the same lines as people who have advanced hand to hand combat training. They have to know that if some spare on the street punches them, they have the training to very quickly do a lot of damage. So they have to be mindful of the limits they go. Same thing with a large male athlete and a small female drunk.

And I'm not saying he IS wrong. Just that he should have known better, or at least what the initial reactions would be.

It's not like he curb stomped her it seems. If he was seen on tape beating the shit out of her over and over lock him up! One jab/punch/slap to get her off his ass is a bit different IMO.

 

[fordman84]

Sorry, but we disagree. Someone isn't absolved from being retribution just because they're smaller and weaker. That's a bull shit double standard. I do believe that said person's first response should be to remove himself from that situation if at all possible and respond with force only when that option isn't feasible.

Not saying you can't hit them. I'm saying adjust the punishment to fit the situation. Don't spank a kid with all your might. Don't hit a chick whose tiny and slapped you with your full force. Don't try to crack and egg with a sledge hammer.


Not saying let anyone get away with something, but be aware of the situation and use the force necessary.

 

[fordman84]

It's not like he curb stomped her it seems. If he was seen on tape beating the shit out of her over and over lock him up! One jab/punch/slap to get her off his ass is a bit different IMO.

and it could come out that is all he really did and the story about all the broken bones en sech are BS from a chick looking for a payday.


From what we have heard, and only based on that, he likely used excessive force. if that is the case, the initial reaction is going to be that he fucked up.

 

[romeo212000]

Not saying you can't hit them. I'm saying adjust the punishment to fit the situation. Don't spank a kid with all your might. Don't hit a chick whose tiny and slapped you with your full force. Don't try to crack and egg with a sledge hammer.


Not saying let anyone get away with something, but be aware of the situation and use the force necessary.

You're talking about an 18 year old kid here. Sometimes we forget that. Also, we still don't know what happened. Was it a slap, did she sucker punch him in the back of the head? You don't have to be a brute to do serious damage to someone like that. Did she go for his balls, his eyes? None of us know at this point and none of us even know how he actually responded. None of us can form judgements on this situation based on the limited information we have.

Now I can form judgements on other things pertaining to the situation. Like her story isn't adding up, the media is embellishing with little info in a big way, and there's reason to question this girl's story and character.

 

[romeo212000]

and it could come out that is all he really did and the story about all the broken bones en sech are BS from a chick looking for a payday.


From what we have heard, and only based on that, he likely used excessive force. if that is the case, the initial reaction is going to be that he fucked up.

I'm pretty sure he at the very least fucked up by not removing himself from a no win situation when he had the opportunity.

 

[HizzleRocker]

Seems to me Hizzle is the one with the first hand knowledge of every detail of what happened that night.

He and his attorney admitted that he hit her. We are still only assuming that she slapped him but I am even giving you that. The law says the force used cannot be greatly disproportionate to the force given. So in my opinion an open hand slap by a girl (assumed by all at this point), is not the same as a closed fist punch in the face from a 220lb athlete.

Yeah man, ton of assumptions going n there.

Now had I said she's a drug dealer; she fled to escape a warrant; she can't be trusted and has character issues; she obviously has bad parents who don't care; and that she is embellishing the shit out of her injuries; etc...

Then you could accuse me of assumptions.

 

[romeo212000]

He and his attorney admitted that he hit her. We are still only assuming that she slapped him but I am even giving you that. The law says the force used cannot be greatly disproportionate to the force given. So in my opinion an open hand slap by a girl (assumed by all at this point), is not the same as a closed fist punch in the face from a 220lb athlete.

Yeah man, ton of assumptions going n there.

Now had I said she's a drug dealer; she fled to escape a warrant; she can't be trusted and has character issues; she obviously has bad parents who don't care; and that she is embellishing the shit out of her injuries; etc...

Then you could accuse me of assumptions.

 

[fordman84]

He and his attorney admitted that he hit her. We are still only assuming that she slapped him but I am even giving you that. The law says the force used cannot be greatly disproportionate to the force given. So in my opinion an open hand slap by a girl (assumed by all at this point), is not the same as a closed fist punch in the face from a 220lb athlete.

Yeah man, ton of assumptions going n there.

Now had I said she's a drug dealer; she fled to escape a warrant; she can't be trusted and has character issues; she obviously has bad parents who don't care; and that she is embellishing the shit out of her injuries; etc...

Then you could accuse me of assumptions.

How about if we said "nothing she says can be trusted because she admits she doesn't know what happened"?

 

[MarkOU]

Let's move on Romeo. This Texas stooge is hell bent on pushing his moral compass on Norman while women are raped by UT Players in Austin.

 

[HizzleRocker]

How about if we said "nothing she says can be trusted because she admits she doesn't know what happened"?

Sure. Too much alcohol plus getting your face broken can do that I guess. Really all you need are the witnesses at the scene (listen to the 911 tape) the video and the medical reports.

 

[romeo212000]

Sure. Too much alcohol plus getting your face broken can do that I guess. Really all you need are the witnesses at the scene (listen to the 911 tape) the video and the medical reports.

Even she admits her eyewitness friends have given her different versions of the story. I'd say you'd also need the security footage since the eyewitnesses aren't giving consistent reports.

 

[Codaxx]

Let's move on Romeo. This Texas stooge is hell bent on pushing his moral compass on Norman while women are raped by UT Players in Austin.

are you 12? What the hell does that incident have to do with this incident or a Texas's posters moral compass?

 

[romeo212000]

are you 12? What the hell does that incident have to do with this incident or a Texas's posters moral compass?

He's got a point. Hizzle is being an obtuse douche about the whole. He's being incredibly hypocritical as well.

 

[Codaxx]

He's got a point. Hizzle is being an obtuse douche about the whole. He's being incredibly hypocritical as well.

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How? Is he a rapist? Were their actions condoned by Hizzle? They werent even condoned by the University or coaching staff. Kids were immediately suspend, when Strong heard there was an investigation. Essentially thrown off the team as soon as charges were brought. Trying to figure out where the link is and how Hizzle is being hypocritical on this situation. Hypocritical is trying to say Hicks and Case are rapists, but not realizing Shannon fits in the category. All of those were involved in accusations and cleared.