Possible trouble in Norman....

[charlie42s]

The security footage might show her initiating physical violence. They'd be stuck between a rock and a hard place then.

That's called mutual combat and it's assault charges for both.

 

[romeo212000]

That's called mutual combat and it's assault charges for both.

Not necessarily.

 

[charlie42s]

and another scenario is that after she slapped hime, he pushed her and she fell into a table, so until any video is released/charges filed, it is all speculation at this point.

I still don't understand how if her face and jaw were so messed up, she was talking and not in the hospital???

A friend of mine once had a broken jaw and it was wired shut for several months. He could talk just fine. Another friend of mine did a great impression of him, just by keeping his teeth together.

 

[BigRedMoe]

Depends on injuries. If she slapped him first and he then broke her jaw, she would charged with simple battery and he would be charged with aggravated battery (if no broken bones then simple battery for him also).... here anyways. Not sure on local stuff for Norman.

 

[Red_Alert]

That's called mutual combat and it's assault charges for both.

That depends which state you're in.

If she commited the first act of physical aggression and there are no charges that can be filed on Mixon, I suspect her lawyer will be on the phone with Mixon's lawyer pronto saying, "Let's let by-gones be by-gones, and chalk this up to a misunderstanding."

 

[Goldbug]

Depends on injuries. If she slapped him first and he then broke her jaw, she would charged with simple battery and he would be charged with aggravated battery (if no broken bones then simple battery for him also).... here anyways. Not sure on local stuff for Norman.

That might apply to you or me but that kid is on a pedestal. People either want to keep him there or knock him off of it. High profile doesn't always equal a good thing.

 

[BigRedMoe]

That might apply to you or me but that kid is on a pedestal. People either want to keep him there or knock him off of it. High profile doesn't always equal a good thing.

So do you think the prosecutor will want to keep him there or knock him off?
I really think it will come down to any video and actual medically documented injuries.
*I would not trust witness statements as much because of your point though.

 

[Wheat]

A friend of mine once had a broken jaw and it was wired shut for several months. He could talk just fine. Another friend of mine did a great impression of him, just by keeping his teeth together.

from what I have read, she was drunk, was combative in the ER and ended up walking out of the hospital before little or anything could be done for her injuries. If that was the case, I'd think it would be very hard to communicate and the pain pretty intense and the desire to talk on the phone pretty much non-exsitent.

But then, I've never had a broken jaw. so what do I know?

 

[charlie42s]

from what I have read, she was drunk, was combative in the ER and ended up walking out of the hospital before little or anything could be done for her injuries. If that was the case, I'd think it would be very hard to communicate and the pain pretty intense and the desire to talk on the phone pretty much non-exsitent.

But then, I've never had a broken jaw. so what do I know?

I was driving my car, a Datsun 1600 convertible, and it was hit by a drunk driver. We were sober and driving to buy beer. My passenger and I weren't wearing seatbelts, it was 1978 and not required. I wish we had been wearing them. He hit his jaw against the dashboard and broke it in several places.. We were in the same ambulance and he was talking to the EMT, no problem at all.

 

[romeo212000]

from what I have read, she was drunk, was combative in the ER and ended up walking out of the hospital before little or anything could be done for her injuries. If that was the case, I'd think it would be very hard to communicate and the pain pretty intense and the desire to talk on the phone pretty much non-exsitent.

But then, I've never had a broken jaw. so what do I know?

Hadn't read any of that.

 

[Goldbug]

So do you think the prosecutor will want to keep him there or knock him off?
I really think it will come down to any video and actual medically documented injuries.
*I would not trust witness statements as much because of your point though.

The temptation will be to led it slide if at all possible. The prosecutor is susceptible to political influence because they are elected. But there will be hell to pay from the radical women's groups if they try to white wash it. If it's 50/50 I'd refuse to prosecute. The presumption of innocence shouldn't be a license to do bad things but it's the best protection we have against being railroaded for something we didn't do. Tough call either way. But if it's even 1% more than 50/50 that he did it they need to have a trial.

 

[BigRedMoe]

The temptation will be to led it slide if at all possible. The prosecutor is susceptible to political influence because they are elected. But there will be hell to pay from the radical women's groups if they try to white wash it. If it's 50/50 I'd refuse to prosecute. The presumption of innocence shouldn't be a license to do bad things but it's the best protection we have against being railroaded for something we didn't do. Tough call either way. But if it's even 1% more than 50/50 that he did it they need to have a trial.

I'd say you hit the nail on the head. Prosecutors also were a lot about their winning percentage so that could factor in as well. And juries/judges love video and easily understandable documentation.

 

[HizzleRocker]

Even if she slapped him - you don't get to bust a girl's face in. Let's say for a minute she did slap him. Next, in order to do what he apparently did, he has to show that he was in true fear of death or great bodily harm.

OUJI-CR 8-48

The amount of force used may not exceed the amount of force a reasonable person, in the circumstances and from the viewpoint of the defendant, would have used to prevent the bodily harm

Excessive Force

If the defendant used more force than reasonably necessary and if the force used is greatly disproportionate to the apparent danger, then the defense of (self-defense) is not available.


** In short, you don't get to bust someone's face in because you don't like gay people and she made you angry.

 

[romeo212000]

Even if she slapped him - you don't get to bust a girl's face in. Let's say for a minute she did slap him. Next, in order to do what he apparently did, he has to show that he was in true fear of death or great bodily harm.

OUJI-CR 8-48

The amount of force used may not exceed the amount of force a reasonable person, in the circumstances and from the viewpoint of the defendant, would have used to prevent the bodily harm

Excessive Force

If the defendant used more force than reasonably necessary and if the force used is greatly disproportionate to the apparent danger, then the defense of (self-defense) is not available.


** In short, you don't get to bust someone's face in because you don't like gay people and she made you angry.

If all these assumptions are true, you're absolutely right. But that's all these are, assumptions. Again, none of us has seen the video that should tell the story. That said, if you're Mixon, you gotta be smarter than that and just remove yourself from that situation.

 

[charlie42s]

Few 18 year olds are smart on their birthday. HIMYM had it right. "Nothing good happens after 2am."

 

[romeo212000]

Few 18 year olds are smart on their birthday. HIMYM had it right. "Nothing good happens after 2am."

Words to live by.

 

[Goldbug]

Even if she slapped him - you don't get to bust a girl's face in. Let's say for a minute she did slap him. Next, in order to do what he apparently did, he has to show that he was in true fear of death or great bodily harm.

OUJI-CR 8-48

The amount of force used may not exceed the amount of force a reasonable person, in the circumstances and from the viewpoint of the defendant, would have used to prevent the bodily harm

Excessive Force

If the defendant used more force than reasonably necessary and if the force used is greatly disproportionate to the apparent danger, then the defense of (self-defense) is not available.


** In short, you don't get to bust someone's face in because you don't like gay people and she made you angry.

Agreed. In today's screwed up society it is often better to walk away even if it is a man who hits you but if it's a woman who hits you you damn sure better walk away. The only exception is if you truly are in danger; then all bets are off. In that situation the other SOB is paid for. That's why I am concerned he let his temper get the best of him even though she was probably pushing him. What you want to do and what you should do are often two different things. We need to wait and see. And it isn't something that either OU or Texas fans should take a side on. It can (and likely will) happen to any team at some point in the future. It has nothing to do with being a fan or rival; it has everything to do with what's right in the particular situation. Thank God I survived being 18.

 

[Wheat]

Few 18 year olds are smart on their birthday. HIMYM had it right. "Nothing good happens after 2am."

dunno, but to me, nothing good happens after midnight....jes sayin...

 

[HizzleRocker]

Agreed. In today's screwed up society it is often better to walk away even if it is a man who hits you but if it's a woman who hits you you damn sure better walk away. The only exception is if you truly are in danger; then all bets are off. In that situation the other SOB is paid for. That's why I am concerned he let his temper get the best of him even though she was probably pushing him. What you want to do and what you should do are often two different things. We need to wait and see. And it isn't something that either OU or Texas fans should take a side on. It can (and likely will) happen to any team at some point in the future. It has nothing to do with being a fan or rival; it has everything to do with what's right in the particular situation. Thank God I survived being 18.

Correct. It's not an OU thing. Dude hasn't even suited up for a game yet. We've just lost 2 kids that I was glad to see let go awaiting r*pe charges. Awful. If they somehow truly are innocent, then let the legal system play out. However, during that time I don't want them anywhere near my team. If they are acquitted or she changes her story, etc... then maybe they can come back one day or elsewhere. Besides, one of Charlie's rules is to treat women with respect. I don't think gang banging a young girl and secretly recording it quite lives up to that (even if it wasn't r*pe). So they can gtfo.

With Mixon, the only thing I care about is if it was his fist that broke her face. I don't care if she slapped him or spit in his face. No way a dude who is wanting to make a living running into 300lb+ dudes is scared of being greatly injured by a 120lb white chick.

 

[td2play]

So if she hits me the same rules apply? Walk away?