politics thread

[skinsdad62]

There are no "down the middle" journalistic publications anymore, not because they don't exist, unfortunately, they are only that when we agree with them. The WAPO is still a fine means of distributing information, but it's just one of many. Whatever happened to researching a story for ourselves and then cross checking the same from other sources? Have we, as a country truly become that lazy or are we so entrenched into our own world/political views, that other sources really don't matter?

I do that and find the wapo wanting

 

[j_y19]

The cheerleading story is a perfect example of how "journalism" has changed. While its wasn't Wapo that broke the story (NYT), 30 years ago this story would have never been published by either news paper until the accusation could be confirmed by independent sources. The story would have also had comments from the team, even if it was no comment. They would have attempted to portray both sides.

Now, its all about just throwing it out there and see what sticks. How hard would it have been to contact other members of that squad to verify or dispute the claims? How hard would it have been to contact the team for a statement before going to press? How about tracking down some of the guests that were in attendance? That is what investigative journalism used to do. But the problem with doing that in today's society is that the accusation might not have held up and thus no story. No story means no clicks. No clicks means no ad revenue. Forget facts, those get in the way of personal agendas and eyeball clicks on sites. And yes, there are supposed journalistic organizations that support all types of agendas, both conservative and liberal. I personally try and stay away from them all as you can never tell when they are "fake" news. God, now I sound like Trump........but he is right in a certain extent. The press does run with fake news. He just has a problem with those organizations that publish the fake news that is derogatory to him, but no issues with those that are supportive (which there aren't many as they all have issues with him).

 

[SoCalWizFan]

Journalism is supposed to report the facts. It isn’t supposed to influence thought and lead us to their conclusion.

Well perhaps 20 or even 10 years ago, but we live in a completely different era. For starters most of the people who report all of this fall more in the category of blogger or personality - you don't need any type of degree or credentials to get into that business anymore.

Also - just about nobody reads anything in print any longer. Therefore everything is delivered electronically & there is way more competition than in the past. As a result you have to spice up your stories to even get anyone to look at it. You also are appealing as much or more to the casual reader or in this case the non-football fan.

You see all types of exaggerations, half truths & outright lies in the media all in the name of attracting someone to a site or story. You also see mainstream outlets basically spin this up to provide material for talk shows (First Take, Around the Horn, etc), radio/Internet shows & even more stories. There is a tremendous amt of pressure to have as many of these stories as possible & get them out there as quickly as possible (fact checking be damned).

Oh well - take it all with a pound of salt & remember that these stories are the flavor of the day & a lot of this will be forgotten in short order.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

IMO the most laughable story was the ex-Redskins player signed by the Giants who badmouthed them & the team name. For some reason ESPN had that as one of the lead stories on their site last week. Only the most diehard fan would know this scrub. I didn't even know who he was & I can guarantee save for a few diehards (like some folks here) nobody has even heard of this clown. That warrants being called a top story? LOL

 

[Skins2021]

IMO the most laughable story was the ex-Redskins player signed by the Giants who badmouthed them & the team name. For some reason ESPN had that as one of the lead stories on their site last week. Only the most diehard fan would know this scrub. I didn't even know who he was & I can guarantee save for a few diehards (like some folks here) nobody has even heard of this clown. That warrants being called a top story? LOL

ESPN is a running joke. Clay Travis is ESPNs daddy

 

[Skins2021]

The cheerleading story is a perfect example of how "journalism" has changed. While its wasn't Wapo that broke the story (NYT), 30 years ago this story would have never been published by either news paper until the accusation could be confirmed by independent sources. The story would have also had comments from the team, even if it was no comment. They would have attempted to portray both sides.

Now, its all about just throwing it out there and see what sticks. How hard would it have been to contact other members of that squad to verify or dispute the claims? How hard would it have been to contact the team for a statement before going to press? How about tracking down some of the guests that were in attendance? That is what investigative journalism used to do. But the problem with doing that in today's society is that the accusation might not have held up and thus no story. No story means no clicks. No clicks means no ad revenue. Forget facts, those get in the way of personal agendas and eyeball clicks on sites. And yes, there are supposed journalistic organizations that support all types of agendas, both conservative and liberal. I personally try and stay away from them all as you can never tell when they are "fake" news. God, now I sound like Trump........but he is right in a certain extent. The press does run with fake news. He just has a problem with those organizations that publish the fake news that is derogatory to him, but no issues with those that are supportive (which there aren't many as they all have issues with him).

Whitlock put it best. Media use to cater towards New York City values. Now social media is king. Instagram, Twitter, Facebook etc. as a result media now caters towards Napa Valley/San Fran values as a result it has shifted so far left practically off screen.

Trumps war with the media IMO is an important one. For years there has been a dire need for reform and Trump at the very least is bringing attention to how fucked up it has gotten.

I'm not one for big government and regulation but something needs to be done. Journalism has lost all its integrity and has become very dangerous. I honestly believe over the last few years that the media has blood on its hands and has set back race relations many years. From the church in Charleston, Dallas police shooting, Charlottesville, riots in Fergusan and after Trayvon Martin all were the result of the media fanning the fire and at times race hustling.

Editors should be jailed when they are airing pictures of a 10 year old Trayvon Martin after that tragedy, not the 18 year old big and buffed up images that was the actual reality. There were riots despite the distinct probability that TM and Zimmerman were both lunatic criminals.

 

[gkekoa]

Best thing to do is sue journalist propaganda for defamation ina libel lawsuit. They have the right to publish whatever as long as it is true.

 

[Sharkinva]

For all those screaming the journalism profession has changed, has it really?? Yes 30 years ago all you really had was print and TV news to get your news. BUt by and large, they still controlled WHAT news we got. And any one who thinks they didnt color the world the way they wanted is nieve. The only real difference between now and 30 years ago is technology. Now 60% of the population is walking around with some sort of recording device in their pocket. SO it doesnt take a week for some one in California to hear about some BS that went down in DC. Its almost impossible to bury a story. But the Post 30 years ago was coloring the public's opinion and calling it impartial journalism, and they are still doing it today. Its just a bit more obvious.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

For all those screaming the journalism profession has changed, has it really?? Yes 30 years ago all you really had was print and TV news to get your news. BUt by and large, they still controlled WHAT news we got. And any one who thinks they didnt color the world the way they wanted is nieve. The only real difference between now and 30 years ago is technology. Now 60% of the population is walking around with some sort of recording device in their pocket. SO it doesnt take a week for some one in California to hear about some BS that went down in DC. Its almost impossible to bury a story. But the Post 30 years ago was coloring the public's opinion and calling it impartial journalism, and they are still doing it today. Its just a bit more obvious.

Respectfully disagree. You may be correct in terms of WP but not so for lots of other outlets. ESPN used to be a hard core sports outlet without any of the political & similar rhetoric that pretty much dominates their airwaves & site now. For them the game is almost of secondary concern at this time.

CNN was also a hard care news outlet that showed the actual stories & kept politics to a minimum. Now they are simply an outlet for the left leaning leaders (not trying to start a political argument - just stating a fact). The same for Fox and the rt. IMO this goes way beyond technology & people think much differently in this era.

 

[Skins2021]

Respectfully disagree. You may be correct in terms of WP but not so for lots of other outlets. ESPN used to be a hard core sports outlet without any of the political & similar rhetoric that pretty much dominates their airwaves & site now. For them the game is almost of secondary concern at this time.

CNN was also a hard care news outlet that showed the actual stories & kept politics to a minimum. Now they are simply an outlet for the left leaning leaders (not trying to start a political argument - just stating a fact). The same for Fox and the rt. IMO this goes way beyond technology & people think much differently in this era.

Jason Whitlock: Sports media embracing ‘far-left extremism’ of San Francisco, Silicon Valley

“Sports writing has moved far left. The entire media has moved far left. The media used to cater to New York, the hub for traditional liberal values. Journalists used to be obsessed with working at a New York magazine or newspaper or TV network,” Mr. Whitlock continued. “Now the entire industry is obsessed with going viral and how words will be received via social media. Who determines this? San Francisco/Silicon Valley, the hub for revolutionary, far-left extremism, the home base for Twitter and Facebook.”

Here is another really good read

Sportswriting Has Become a Liberal Profession — Here’s How It Happened

 

[Sharkinva]

Respectfully disagree. You may be correct in terms of WP but not so for lots of other outlets. ESPN used to be a hard core sports outlet without any of the political & similar rhetoric that pretty much dominates their airwaves & site now. For them the game is almost of secondary concern at this time.

CNN was also a hard care news outlet that showed the actual stories & kept politics to a minimum. Now they are simply an outlet for the left leaning leaders (not trying to start a political argument - just stating a fact). The same for Fox and the rt. IMO this goes way beyond technology & people think much differently in this era.

While i agree that the types of people, and sometimes the content, has changed over the years. The news, the media in general has always to a degree been in the business of controlling the narrative. As for the pandering to the click bait, I agree it is a product of the times we live in. 30 years ago, the news you got was all you got. Now you have hundreds more outlets, and much like every other business, you are going to sell what people will buy or you wont be in business. Now maybe its a cultural thing, but I have never believed in the altruism of the news media.

 

[gkekoa]

The political side of journalism goes back to at a minimum...Vietnam.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

While i agree that the types of people, and sometimes the content, has changed over the years. The news, the media in general has always to a degree been in the business of controlling the narrative. As for the pandering to the click bait, I agree it is a product of the times we live in. 30 years ago, the news you got was all you got. Now you have hundreds more outlets, and much like every other business, you are going to sell what people will buy or you wont be in business. Now maybe its a cultural thing, but I have never believed in the altruism of the news media.

Yep & at the heart of this is $$. This is controlled by the folks beyond the scenes - many of whom don't give a crap about the effects of politics & other similar things - they just care about getting your attn. & ultimately your money. Oh well - you just have to laugh about a lot of this (otherwise you can go nuts).

 

[Skins2021]

you could laugh about it, but the problem is too many people do go nuts and the machine just keeps on fanning the fire and adding fuel

 

[Sharkinva]

you could laugh about it, but the problem is too many people do go nuts and the machine just keeps on fanning the fire and adding fuel

What some would call fanning flames and adding fuel, others might call shedding light on a darkness that has existed in this countries soul since its inception. The fact that the question STILL has to be asked, would this have happened if the victim wasnt black, latino or what ever speaks to a larger problem in this country that some might be totally fine with ignoring. But generally its because it could never happen to them in that situation.

 

[Skins2021]

Are race relations better now in 2018 then in 2008?

Stories, events, and motives get sensationalized.

Did you know there were about 500 white supremacists in Charlottesville? If you saw the coverage you would have thought there were thousands.....

The idiots at Charlottesville are universally recognized as morons by everyone. They used to hold their dumb stupid redneck rallies and bed ignored and laughed at.

Now they are given a center stage. They are given a worldwide audience and a massive platform.

Why are they being projected as a bigger part of the population then they really are? It sells..

Divide and conquer

Edit:
-Is what Dan Snyder and Bruce Allen are doing (keeping it football related for dad)

 

[Caliskinsfan]

 

[Sharkinva]

Are race relations better now in 2018 then in 2008?

Stories, events, and motives get sensationalized.

Did you know there were about 500 white supremacists in Charlottesville? If you saw the coverage you would have thought there were thousands.....

The idiots at Charlottesville are universally recognized as morons by everyone. They used to hold their dumb stupid redneck rallies and bed ignored and laughed at.

Now they are given a center stage. They are given a worldwide audience and a massive platform.

Why are they being projected as a bigger part of the population then they really are? It sells..

Divide and conquer

Edit:
-Is what Dan Snyder and Bruce Allen are doing (keeping it football related for dad)

Again dude, its all perspective.

If you only see one termite in your house. Do you assume thats the only one? Probably not. You have some one check and if you find more deal with them. And the 500 who self identify dont bother me. I know what they are and how to deal with them. Its the ones that DONT, but have the same mindset that are the real problem.

But I agree, back to the original topic. Right now we have a political climate where crimes, or perceived crimes against women are a no no. It sells, and for the "Victims" it pays rather well too. While Im not willing to say this story is a non issue, it is being made to seem as large as possible. In the end, I dont think the Redskins are innocent, but I also dont think these women are the helpless victims they are being made out to be either.

 

[Buffalo_Nickel_1]

Stop putting liberals in office and crack down on party leaning reporters

 

[Sharkinva]

Stop putting liberals in office and crack down on party leaning reporters

Dead wrong.

1. Liberal or conservative, neither gives a rats ass about more than their own small circle of friends and family and how to increase their own wealth.

2. The last world leader to try and control the media to that level, tried to take over the world and wipe out an entire group of people.