politics thread

[skinsdad62]

It's just sheer ignorance and arrogance.

There's just no other excuse for a bunch of people with no scientific and climate related background covering their ears and yelling, "No it's all the experts who are wrong, I know better!"

Again it’s far from all experts who are wrong . Climate change has happened throughout the earths history and quickly without man ‘s interference

 

[Sharkinva]

It's just sheer ignorance and arrogance.

There's just no other excuse for a bunch of people with no scientific and climate related background covering their ears and yelling, "No it's all the experts who are wrong, I know better!"

Well I have noticed the local forecast here in Florida for the foreseeable future is sunny with a chance for fuck sake my nuts are melted, with a scattering of damn it here comes another wipe you off the face of the planet hurricane. And the strength and frequency of said storms is increasing. People telling me 7.5 billion people have no impact on the planet are in denial.

 

[ehb5]

The stock market has gone up under trump and I posted that about the time i posted this which was quite some time ago . I dont. Have a 401k and if it works out for a better deal then it’s money well spent

Yes it has. Yet every time he has instigated the trade wars, or escalated them, or threatened to do so - the market has dropped. It's very clear what the trade war is doing to the markets and economy as a whole.

You can't even explain what a better deal looks like or what is wrong with the current deal.

And are you suggesting that if a socialist bailout makes something better it's ok? Damn, you're even more socialist than I am dude.

 

[ehb5]

It’s a hoax

Are you a climate scientist?

 

[ehb5]

Look “the other then Trump told me “nonsense has been addressed before . Go back and look it up or google the shit up but I am damn sure not going to relook up evidence every time you get amnesia after waiting long periods of time to answer . It’s there , look it up and rebut it . Maybe you should stop slurping your Supreme leaders crap ? If you wish to go there

No. It. Is. Not. There.

Every time I question you, you lie and say you've already posted it. You haven't.

Why were there old trade deals terrible and why are the new ones great? Can you explain this or not?

I wouldn't give you a hard time about being a puppet for your supreme leader if you ever formed or defended your own opinions.

 

[j_y19]

Are you suggesting that a trade war is the only diplomatic tool we have? Because I'm 100% confident that isn't the case.

And keep in mind - Trump started this trade war because he does not understand how trade and economics work. He is causing real damage and having a real negative financial impact on your wallet all in an effort to solve a problem that he imagined.

If you want to criticize China for IP theft that's fine but it's a separate issue and it's one that we shouldn't be solving by hurting our own economy and citizens, spending billions of their tax dollars, and fostering reliance on the government through handouts.

So you didn't answer the question. What would you do?

Listen, I abhor the man. But to say he doesn't understand economics (like all Presidents are experts in the field, especially our last one) is just not supported by reality. In reality, this country is in much better place in the world and well as at home economically and this is a direct result of some of his policies.

 

[ehb5]

Well I have noticed the local forecast here in Florida for the foreseeable future is sunny with a chance for fuck sake my nuts are melted, with a scattering of damn it here comes another wipe you off the face of the planet hurricane. And the strength and frequency of said storms is increasing. People telling me 7.5 billion people have no impact on the planet are in denial.

If only there were people who studied this for a living, who might be able to tell us more...

 

[Sharkinva]

Why were there old trade deals terrible and why are the new ones great? Can you explain this or not?

Cause Obama made the old trade deals.. they were bad

Cause Trump made the current deals they are the best trade deals ever made.

Cliff notes, just in case he posts a book later.

 

[j_y19]

Well I have noticed the local forecast here in Florida for the foreseeable future is sunny with a chance for fuck sake my nuts are melted, with a scattering of damn it here comes another wipe you off the face of the planet hurricane. And the strength and frequency of said storms is increasing. People telling me 7.5 billion people have no impact on the planet are in denial.

Of course we have an impact on the planet. Positively and negatively. But it is also accurate to say that the earth has experienced and ever changing climate of heating up and cooling down. So what should be the issue is how much are we contributing to this? Is this just another cycle that the earth goes thru? Its a legitimate question that no one, even the experts, can answer. As usual, the issue isn't just black or white, as everyone wants to make it.

 

[gkekoa]

Well I have noticed the local forecast here in Florida for the foreseeable future is sunny with a chance for fuck sake my nuts are melted, with a scattering of damn it here comes another wipe you off the face of the planet hurricane. And the strength and frequency of said storms is increasing. People telling me 7.5 billion people have no impact on the planet are in denial.

So you are for wiping out populations of people. Don’t give me a hard time about the border any more.

 

[Sharkinva]

Of course we have an impact on the planet. Positively and negatively. But it is also accurate to say that the earth has experienced and ever changing climate of heating up and cooling down. So what should be the issue is how much are we contributing to this? Is this just another cycle that the earth goes thru? Its a legitimate question that no one, even the experts, can answer. As usual, the issue isn't just black or white, as everyone wants to make it.

Well the science is there to prove that our use of fossil fuels is contributing to the ozone layer thinning. The thinning Ozone is a part of why climate is changing. So yes I do think we are having a direct impact at this point. DO I think we will destroy the planet?? Nope. Do I think we will eventually make it unsuitable for life as we are accustomed to?? Yep.

Nearly 500 species have gone extinct during the last century–and in most cases, we humans are to blame. According to a 2015 study by the National Autonomous University (UNAM), 477 species have disappeared since 1900 due to our degradation and destruction of their natural habitats

 

[Sharkinva]

So you are for wiping out populations of people. Don’t give me a hard time about the border any more.

Where the fuck did I say that??

IM all for adjusting the impact we as people have on the planet. Thats a far cry from wiping out people. But thanks for confirming what i already knew about you.

 

[j_y19]

Well the science is there to prove that our use of fossil fuels is contributing to the ozone layer thinning. The thinning Ozone is a part of why climate is changing. So yes I do think we are having a direct impact at this point. DO I think we will destroy the planet?? Nope. Do I think we will eventually make it unsuitable for life as we are accustomed to?? Yep.

Nearly 500 species have gone extinct during the last century–and in most cases, we humans are to blame. According to a 2015 study by the National Autonomous University (UNAM), 477 species have disappeared since 1900 due to our degradation and destruction of their natural habitats

So I don't disagree. We contribute. How do we stop people from fucking and having more kids? Because this planet will continue to evolve based upon our existence here. You want to leave a smaller footprint? Make your foot smaller.

 

[j_y19]

Cause Obama made the old trade deals.. they were bad

Cause Trump made the current deals they are the best trade deals ever made.

Cliff notes, just in case he posts a book later.

I'll handle this one. Obama did make some terrible trade deals. And Trump came in and changed them. And we are better off for it. Are they perfect? Nope. Is he willing to do radical things that upsets the stock market (apparently temporarily)? Yup. We should never have a president that makes policy based on stock market results.

 

[ehb5]

So you didn't answer the question. What would you do?

Listen, I abhor the man. But to say he doesn't understand economics (like all Presidents are experts in the field, especially our last one) is just not supported by reality. In reality, this country is in much better place in the world and well as at home economically and this is a direct result of some of his policies.

Well it's a bit of a strange question. Are you asking what we should do about the real or imaginary issues with China? Because Trumps trade war is focused on the imaginary ones. That said...

Take action on the IP threat not the fictional trade problems. If you need to ban companies like Huawei for security reasons so be it. Sanctions. Negotiate. Maybe invest in/share green technology for China in exchange. That's a win for everybody.

As for Trump on economics, sorry but that is simply not true (though I didn't understand whether you were saying all presidents are experts on the topic or that they are frequently not).

The Trump understands econ argument is basically - economy good so Trump good. Obviously though that is an extremely shallow argument.

The economy is doing well for many reasons. Some Trump, some Obama, some neither. But that doesn't mean either of them knows the first thing about economics. In fact just about any time Trump talks about economics he makes it abundantly clear he doesn't know what he's talking about. His policies may have helped in some areas. They have also hurt in others and damaged our global position.

 

[ehb5]

I'll handle this one. Obama did make some terrible trade deals. And Trump came in and changed them. And we are better off for it. Are they perfect? Nope. Is he willing to do radical things that upsets the stock market (apparently temporarily)? Yup. We should never have a president that makes policy based on stock market results.

What was terrible about the old deals? And why are the new deals so much better? What was the problem we were trying to fix?

 

[skinsdad62]

 

[skinsdad62]

No. It. Is. Not. There.

Every time I question you, you lie and say you've already posted it. You haven't.

Why were there old trade deals terrible and why are the new ones great? Can you explain this or not?

I wouldn't give you a hard time about being a puppet for your supreme leader if you ever formed or defended your own opinions.

Yes it is there and they have been and you play this sorry game every time go back and look .

 

[skinsdad62]

Are you a climate scientist?

Are you ?

 

[skinsdad62]

Yes it has. Yet every time he has instigated the trade wars, or escalated them, or threatened to do so - the market has dropped. It's very clear what the trade war is doing to the markets and economy as a whole.

You can't even explain what a better deal looks like or what is wrong with the current deal.

And are you suggesting that if a socialist bailout makes something better it's ok? Damn, you're even more socialist than I am dude.

I have already but I will give you a basic one . The trade laws China has in place hurt us while ours aren’t as tough . Now how about we get something that least makes it equal . Now it’s not