politics thread

[Skins2021]

I agree with your bottom line...probably!

I'm not 100% sure that is correct though. Its a law to live by. 10 commandments etc. Religion has caused a ton of harm but has also caused a ton of good.

For instance, if you know anyone who has substance abuse problems and they overcame them 90% probably got sober from 12 steps... it is pretty much the only way, rooted in christianity.

If I am lumping islam with the rest of the religions the world would undoubtedly be a better place without organized religion. If i am just talking all other religion minus islam i think we are probably better off

 

[reptec101]

I think that you're finally catching on to the game that's being played on people.

I think you're right, my friend.

 

[Sharkinva]

to your first point.... sometimes things just are

As you can probably tell I am very very critical of Islam. I have been very critical of Islam pre 2001. I've been critical of islam from the moment i was able to form a political or global opinion.

Islam is a militant religion. Its been militant from its inception. Mohammed was a war leader/general. Very different from Jesus Christ.

It just is what it is. This kid who works for me, is not radical at all. Maybe the solution is to introduce every muslim child to ipads and western culture.

Who knows

As someone raised in a Muslim household, and who has family member still actually practicing the religion... I take acception at the sometimes things just are comment. As the Islam I know does not teach violence for the sake of violence. And at the end of the day, a real Muslim believes that All who believe in one God can be worthy of his bounty.

 

[Stymietee]

stupid people would buy this . surveillance is spying until liberals change the dictionary again

I'll not take offense at this and will maintain a position above inane name calling and related insinuations. We're supposed to be better than this!

That said, the United States in it's attempt to maintain some sense of fairness in law, put into place a legal standard to help assure that such improprieties at least go through that standard in order to have a principal or at minimum the appearance of such principals in order to maintain itself.

So, let's take a look at what the dictionary actually says about a spy. Take note of the word "secret," or "secretly" which when measured against what was actually done in this case, and is UNLIKE what took place under COINTELPRO, isn't spying at all, because they obtained court orders! What does that mean, well, in three words...the courts knew! Contrary to what William Barr claims "spying" is indeed a pejorative word! Do I also have to post the definition of "pejorative?"

spy
[spī]
NOUN

1. a person who secretly collects and reports information on the activities, movements, and plans of an enemy or competitor.
   synonyms:
   secret agent · undercover agent · enemy agent · foreign agent ·
   espionage · undercover work · cloak-and-dagger activities ·
   [more]
2. VERB
   1. work for a government or other organization by secretly collecting information about enemies or competitors.
      "he agreed to spy for the West"
      synonyms:
      espionage · undercover work · cloak-and-dagger activities ·
      [more]
      

 

[Skins2021]

As someone raised in a Muslim household, and who has family member still actually practicing the religion... I take acception at the sometimes things just are comment. As the Islam I know does not teach violence for the sake of violence. And at the end of the day, a real Muslim believes that All who believe in one God can be worthy of his bounty.

Yeah and unfortunately being 3rd or whatever generation you are having been born and raised in America and assuming the same for your parents, you represent a tiny portion of overall population. You and your parents were exposed to western culture early.

This kid who works for me and lived in the west bank till he was a teenager loves it in America because he was exposed to western culture early. His parents on the other side kick him out of the house and disown him if he brings home a girl from a different sect of islam...

Burqas, fatwa, sharia, ideology towards gays, women second class citizens, sympathizing with terrorist, purposely segregating, hating jews or christians or other muslim sects etc etc etc. is all very radical. You dont need to have a bomb strapped to your chest to be radical which is my point and I believe the majority, i.e. 70% or more of the people practicing Islam check off at least 1 of these boxes.

you can try to change my mind. leadership in the islamic community is also TERRIBLE. More worried about 'not all muslims' and less worried about denouncing.

i also believe muslims as a whole are much more religious than non muslims

the voice of moderate islam often is radio silence

 

[Sharkinva]

You had me until you got to this part....

Burqas, fatwa, sharia, ideology towards gays, women second class citizens, sympathizing with terrorist, purposely segregating, hating jews or christians or other muslim sects etc etc etc. is all very radical. You dont need to have a bomb strapped to your chest to be radical which is my point and I believe the majority, i.e. 70% or more of the people practicing Islam check off at least 1 of these boxes.

This entire second paragraph could easily refer to some of our born an bred Americans. While none in this thread have said so outright, I get the feeling if some of these guys children came home and said

Dad... Im one of the following

Atheist, Gay, Bisexual, marrying a Muslim or becoming a democrat...

I feel safe in saying some of these guys would disown their child for the "sins" listed above.

 

[Skins2021]

You had me until you got to this part....

This entire second paragraph could easily refer to some of our born an bred Americans. While none in this thread have said so outright, I get the feeling if some of these guys children came home and said

Dad... Im one of the following

Atheist, Gay, Bisexual, marrying a Muslim or becoming a democrat...

I feel safe in saying some of these guys would disown their child for the "sins" listed above.

I'll put my handle to it... shit as you can tell I really dont care whatsoever what anyone on this board thinks of me LOL

If my kid came home saying athiest, gay, bisexual, marrying a black guy/girl, a democrat(hes just going through a millenial phase) etc I wouldnt have a problem with it.

If my DAUGHTER came home and said she was marrying a Muslim guy, I would definitely have an issue with it. Disowning may be a bit too far but I would have something to say and its all about how women are generally viewed in islam. I probably wouldnt be too thrilled if my son was marrying a Muslim girl, however I'd know that she most likely isnt radical for marrying a non muslim I'd just be leery of her family.

 

[Sharkinva]

I'll put my handle to it... shit as you can tell I really dont care whatsoever what anyone on this board thinks of me LOL

If my kid came home saying athiest, gay, bisexual, marrying a black guy/girl, a democrat(hes just going through a millenial phase) etc I wouldnt have a problem with it.

If my DAUGHTER came home and said she was marrying a Muslim guy, I would definitely have an issue with it. Disowning may be a bit too far but I would have something to say and its all about how women are generally viewed in islam. I probably wouldnt be too thrilled if my son was marrying a Muslim girl, however I'd know that she most likely isnt radical for marrying a non muslim I'd just be leery of her family.

So here is your curve ball.

You have stated leadership in Islam world wide is a bit on the deplorable side. And i totally agree. But here is the rub, they do the EXACT same thing our leadership here does. Paints all Americans as the devil intent on destroying not their country, but their way of life, that being Islam. You never hear about the Muslim guy who took a bullet to save an American. But let a Muslim fart on the L train and that shit becomes a suspected terror attack.

All this to say that the image you have of Islam is a carefully constructed otherism just as their opinion of America is a carefully constructed form of group hate.

I hate using the both sides reasoning, but in this case... it is exactly that.

 

[Rowdy]

Lol, the fruit loops are so far off course for re-election. They keep taking the bait! From taxes to 2% of the un-redacted report. As always, Trump the smartest man in the room. Keep taking the bait fruit loops, along with all the identity politics you’re the Republicans best hope for re-election

 

[Stymietee]

to your first point.... sometimes things just are

As you can probably tell I am very very critical of Islam. I have been very critical of Islam pre 2001. I've been critical of islam from the moment i was able to form a political or global opinion.

Islam is a militant religion. Its been militant from its inception. Mohammed was a war leader/general. Very different from Jesus Christ.

It just is what it is. This kid who works for me, is not radical at all. Maybe the solution is to introduce every muslim child to ipads and western culture.

Who knows

Totally respect you perspective, that said, I do no agree that "sometimes things just are." In fact, IMO the only way for that to happen is without improvisation by mankind. More often than not mankind creates its own heaven and hell. In that regard, knowing the difference proves more difficult than it might ordinarily be simply because it requires an admission to the role played in creating both.

 

[Stymietee]

The Republican-led Senate Intelligence committee just subpoenaed Donald Trump Jr.

 

[Stymietee]

Woman Allegedly Punched Pro-Life Group’s Intern At UNC

The tolerant left at it again . Over and over again we are told the right is violent over and over again it’s leftist who riot ,Antifa committing violence and people like this woman being violent over an issue she disagrees with

Why do you continue to assign blame to one political side when in fact people do fucked up things?

 

[Stymietee]

Steele's stunning pre-FISA confession: Informant needed to air Trump dirt before election

The crimes of the Obama era FBI , DOJ and CIA. Are being exposed

Is it really a crime to expose criminal activities?

 

[skinsdad62]

Why do you continue to assign blame to one political side when in fact people do fucked up things?

because terms like racist blah blah blah get assigned to the right but never is your question asked about them now is it ?

all i hear is how the right incites violence , yet your question is never directed at them

when i see that then i will stop

 

[skinsdad62]

Is it really a crime to expose criminal activities?

none were happening sty , that is the point . there was no probable cause , they just launched an investigation against an opposition party because they liked the other candidate

i dont know why that is so hard to see

 

[Stymietee]

because terms like racist blah blah blah get assigned to the right but never is your question asked about them now is it ?

all i hear is how the right incites violence , yet your question is never directed at them

when i see that then i will stop

When it's true from the perspective of those most affected and not a majority, how does one form an opinion that it doesn't matter?

Maybe the "right" should take a deep introspective look at itself and to be fair, something rarely seen in this thread beyond my own attempts at it, maybe the "left" should do the same. How's that?

I don't want you to stop, just be a bit more even handed in pointing out the hypocrisy of both.

 

[Stymietee]

none were happening sty , that is the point . there was no probable cause , they just launched an investigation against an opposition party because they liked the other candidate

i dont know why that is so hard to see

OK, so we now have an Imperial presidency who as a candidate (and I'm intentionally using legal terms) conspired against the United States to interfere in our elections then obstructed and continues to obstruct justice from a co-equal branch of government and its constitutionally mandated duty to serve as a check on another branch.

Well, congratulations, the country is in a constitutional crisis and HRH is one legal step away from taking the throne! Hyperbole? HELL NO, it's all factual!

I know that it's easier to see this all in simple one candidate being liked over the other, but I'm well beyond that. In fact I wasn't that fond of Hilary at all. What's hard to understand is the insistence upon keeping up this narrative when the entire underpinnings of the country is at risk!

 

[Stymietee]

Yeah and unfortunately being 3rd or whatever generation you are having been born and raised in America and assuming the same for your parents, you represent a tiny portion of overall population. You and your parents were exposed to western culture early.

This kid who works for me and lived in the west bank till he was a teenager loves it in America because he was exposed to western culture early. His parents on the other side kick him out of the house and disown him if he brings home a girl from a different sect of islam...

Burqas, fatwa, sharia, ideology towards gays, women second class citizens, sympathizing with terrorist, purposely segregating, hating jews or christians or other muslim sects etc etc etc. is all very radical. You dont need to have a bomb strapped to your chest to be radical which is my point and I believe the majority, i.e. 70% or more of the people practicing Islam check off at least 1 of these boxes.

you can try to change my mind. leadership in the islamic community is also TERRIBLE. More worried about 'not all muslims' and less worried about denouncing.

i also believe muslims as a whole are much more religious than non muslims

the voice of moderate islam often is radio silence

To your main point, it's advisable to take another look at Christians, and I'll bet that at least 90% of them check off at least one of the listed boxes!

1. ideology towards gays...check
2. women as second class citizens...check
3. sympathizing with terrorist...check
4. purposely segregating...check
5. hating Jews, Christians, or other Muslim sects...check

Now I'll grant that all of these things are done in a different manner, but in fact they are practiced by so-called Christians! Please do be careful to note the four fingers pointing back at you as you point the one finger towards others!

 

[skinsdad62]

OK, so we now have an Imperial presidency who as a candidate (and I'm intentionally using legal terms) conspired against the United States to interfere in our elections then obstructed and continues to obstruct justice from a co-equal branch of government and its constitutionally mandated duty to serve as a check on another branch.

Well, congratulations, the country is in a constitutional crisis and HRH is one legal step away from taking the throne! Hyperbole? HELL NO, it's all factual!

I know that it's easier to see this all in simple one candidate being liked over the other, but I'm well beyond that. In fact I wasn't that fond of Hilary at all. What's hard to understand is the insistence upon keeping up this narrative when the entire underpinnings of the country is at risk!

i have put up facts numerous times and named names . fact is there was no collusion nor was there any probable cause to start one .

 

[Stymietee]

And to think, all Nixon did was NOT TAKE PART in taking 20 minutes of audio against the other side.

Yet, Obama full on inserts people into the opposition campaign.

?????