politics thread

[Sharkinva]

Well there you have it. Polls suck but I won’t buy crap from the MSM where 95% of the stories or anti Trump or vice versa

And I will never trust the Brietbarts of the world. I dont believe in the wall because I have seen the types of people who came up with this idea and know them to in fact be racist and xenophobic.

I can accept that in some cases otherwise good people can get behind an idea that was and is based in bad mojo. I want to believe you and GK and a few other around her have just latched onto a bad and yes racist policy based out of some logic that it will be better for your way of life. Because the other side of it is just that I have/had respect for people who are just as fucked in the head as the Steve Kings and Steve MIller's of the world.

 

[gkekoa]

And I will never trust the Brietbarts of the world. I dont believe in the wall because I have seen the types of people who came up with this idea and know them to in fact be racist and xenophobic.

I can accept that in some cases otherwise good people can get behind an idea that was and is based in bad mojo. I want to believe you and GK and a few other around her have just latched onto a bad and yes racist policy based out of some logic that it will be better for your way of life. Because the other side of it is just that I have/had respect for people who are just as fucked in the head as the Steve Kings and Steve MIller's of the world.

Racism should be the last resort of an intelligent mind. Can you really see no merit in what we are saying?

 

[Sharkinva]

Well if you can use that analogy then why cant I bust out why don’t you let any Tom, dick and Harry to go through your unlocked door , squat on your furniture , and demand you take care of them at your cost and hope you don’t have anyone intending malice because you only have guns if the govt let’s you

Well aside from the fact that my analogy wasnt based out of something I actually fear and your was... thats a good question.


Now to answer this, unless you are claiming soul domain over every inch of this country, I choose to believe the majority of these people are coming here to do exactly what we do. Make a better life for themselves and their family and not to mooch off the system. I accept that there will be some bad apples and they will have to be dealt with accordingly. But I also think the majority of them would come legally if given the chance. And to me a wall is more about not giving them that chance more so than encouraging them to come legally.

 

[Sharkinva]

Racism should be the last resort of an intelligent mind. Can you really see no merit in what we are saying?

Sure, I can see Merit in it. But I think the wall itself is based in bad intentions and fear. And i think that fear is more about change than any fear of crime and drugs.

Can you see no merit in making legal immigration easier instead of trying to do everything they can to prevent people from coming from a particular region?? Especially when faced with the truth that most illegals now come in legally and just over stay.

 

[gkekoa]

Sure, I can see Merit in it. But I think the wall itself is based in bad intentions and fear. And i think that fear is more about change than any fear of crime and drugs.

Can you see no merit in making legal immigration easier instead of trying to do everything they can to prevent people from coming from a particular region?? Especially when faced with the truth that most illegals now come in legally and just over stay.

Now, I am not sure if you are a religious man at all, but the thought shall not judge part is referring specifically to what you are doing. You are specifically judging the heart of some, knowing there is merit elsewhere.

What is the merit in it? I understand you believe it to be fair; however, how do we determine who can come? Is there a limit? Is there a point of diminishing returns? Is there a possibility that bringing in too many people will turn the US into the country they left? What if Americans are hurt in the process? Should those immigrants needs be put ahead of actual Americans? What is wrong with preventing people from a specific region from coming here? Should we open our gates to Russians and North Koreans?

The truth is many overstay and are here illegally. They should not be here. They request a period of time and that is what is given to them. They do not have a right to be here longer.

 

[Sharkinva]

Now, I am not sure if you are a religious man at all, but the thought shall not judge part is referring specifically to what you are doing. You are specifically judging the heart of some, knowing there is merit elsewhere.

What is the merit in it? I understand you believe it to be fair; however, how do we determine who can come? Is there a limit? Is there a point of diminishing returns? Is there a possibility that bringing in too many people will turn the US into the country they left? What if Americans are hurt in the process? Should those immigrants needs be put ahead of actual Americans? What is wrong with preventing people from a specific region from coming here? Should we open our gates to Russians and North Koreans?

The truth is many overstay and are here illegally. They should not be here. They request a period of time and that is what is given to them. They do not have a right to be here longer.

I gave up on religion because it is just another means of controlling the masses, and most religious leaders pick and choose what fits their wants and call it doctrine. We judge people every day, and by making the assumption that these people from south of the border and other areas will harm the country, you have basically judged an entire group on no other merit than how you fear they might impact the country. The same thinking has been used to treat my ancestors (and me in some cases) poorly, not to mention other groups.

Is there a limit?? Sure there is. But I also think the reality is that more of these people would do as they did and some still do. Come here, work and at some point go home willingly. Hell I know of quite a few who are building homes in Ecuador, Jamaica and until recently Haiti. Americans are hurt in the process every day. I just think the lazer focus on people of Latin heritage at the moment is a bit disingenuous. Because again, I see the same old reasons being applied to the current "threat".

As for Russians and Koreans.. you been to NY lately?? Little Moscow is a section where 70% of the residents are Russian, and I would hedge a bet 30% are here illegally.

Lastly I dont think any of these migrants are or should be put ahead of Americans. But again this rings of the same old "reasoning". Why should Blacks be given more opportunity than whites ring a bell?? When in reality an attempt to level the playing field should no longer be needed, and yet we still get reports of things like blacks being threatened at work in major companies.

 

[gkekoa]

I gave up on religion because it is just another means of controlling the masses, and most religious leaders pick and choose what fits their wants and call it doctrine. We judge people every day, and by making the assumption that these people from south of the border and other areas will harm the country, you have basically judged an entire group on no other merit than how you fear they might impact the country. The same thinking has been used to treat my ancestors (and me in some cases) poorly, not to mention other groups.

Is there a limit?? Sure there is. But I also think the reality is that more of these people would do as they did and some still do. Come here, work and at some point go home willingly. Hell I know of quite a few who are building homes in Ecuador, Jamaica and until recently Haiti. Americans are hurt in the process every day. I just think the lazer focus on people of Latin heritage at the moment is a bit disingenuous. Because again, I see the same old reasons being applied to the current "threat".

As for Russians and Koreans.. you been to NY lately?? Little Moscow is a section where 70% of the residents are Russian, and I would hedge a bet 30% are here illegally.

Lastly I dont think any of these migrants are or should be put ahead of Americans. But again this rings of the same old "reasoning". Why should Blacks be given more opportunity than whites ring a bell?? When in reality an attempt to level the playing field should no longer be needed, and yet we still get reports of things like blacks being threatened at work in major companies.

We judge their actions...not their hearts, or we should. There is a huge difference in the two.

Nobody is saying most of the people from south of the border are not good people. As a matter of fact, we have stated on numerous occasions, we would do the same thing in their shoes...that doesn’t make it right. It is an undeniable fact, that a portion of the people will come here and do more serious crimes...we can debate all day if it is at a higher rate than natural born citizens, but it doesn’t matter. If a single person comes here and harms a single US citizen, then that is one too many, because it is an enumerated job for the government to protect its citizenry. When you bring up your ancestry, it simply shows your bias, because nobody alive today enslaved your people and nobody alive today was enslaved.

Would you agree that a large majority of people here illegally are from south of the border?

Little Moscow isn’t being debated. If 30% are here illegally, then 30% should be sent home. That being said, 30% of what, maybe 10,000. There are 13 million illegals in this country today. You just stated that origin should have no bearing on immigration, but you insist on promoting immigration from one place. What if more Europeans wanted to immigrate, making this country whiter, would you still support your statement? The answer is no you wouldn’t. There is a word for your thought on the matter.

Because blacks are citizens. As for being threatened at work, take it up with the law and prove it. What are they being threatened with? Do you think white people arent threatened at work?

 

[skinsdad62]

And I will never trust the Brietbarts of the world. I dont believe in the wall because I have seen the types of people who came up with this idea and know them to in fact be racist and xenophobic.

I can accept that in some cases otherwise good people can get behind an idea that was and is based in bad mojo. I want to believe you and GK and a few other around her have just latched onto a bad and yes racist policy based out of some logic that it will be better for your way of life. Because the other side of it is just that I have/had respect for people who are just as fucked in the head as the Steve Kings and Steve MIller's of the world.

You shouldn’t trust the breitbarts of the world , I don’t . I want to believe you and others have latched on to left wing progressive narratives where you latch on to things that aren’t true and buy lies that are being sold to you as truth . Did you ever read rules for radicals ? I doubt it . Where did this epidemic of racist shooting every innocent minority’s go to ? How long do blacks have to die in Chicago before their govt helps them ? How many dems from flint MI are charged with poisoning blacks water ? How often are you going to vote for the same party that oppresses you ? Every major city is run by dems and virtually every minority has little job prospects , poor schools. Gangs and high crime rates . When will you get that a few thousand white supremicists have no power and don’t represent most whites ? And why do we harp on assholes so much ? How long do you believe a press that doesn’t give you both sides and has an agenda ? No president should have 95% good or bad press and have that called fair journalism . How many more times are you going to buy a press that smears innocent people with no evidence for political gain and when proven wrong disappears . Read rules for radicals shark and then you will understand exactly where I come from

 

[Sharkinva]

We judge their actions...not their hearts, or we should. There is a huge difference in the two.

Nobody is saying most of the people from south of the border are not good people. As a matter of fact, we have stated on numerous occasions, we would do the same thing in their shoes...that doesn’t make it right. It is an undeniable fact, that a portion of the people will come here and do more serious crimes...we can debate all day if it is at a higher rate than natural born citizens, but it doesn’t matter. If a single person comes here and harms a single US citizen, then that is one too many, because it is an enumerated job for the government to protect its citizenry. When you bring up your ancestry, it simply shows your bias, because nobody alive today enslaved your people and nobody alive today was enslaved.

Would you agree that a large majority of people here illegally are from south of the border?

Little Moscow isn’t being debated. If 30% are here illegally, then 30% should be sent home. That being said, 30% of what, maybe 10,000. There are 13 million illegals in this country today. You just stated that origin should have no bearing on immigration, but you insist on promoting immigration from one place. What if more Europeans wanted to immigrate, making this country whiter, would you still support your statement? The answer is no you wouldn’t. There is a word for your thought on the matter.

Because blacks are citizens. As for being threatened at work, take it up with the law and prove it. What are they being threatened with? Do you think white people arent threatened at work?

Its odd you always think IM referring to slavery when I say my ancestors. As if shit just magically stopped once slavery ended. My bothers and parents were around in the 50's back when America was apparently great... for some. My Grandparents were born in 1923 and 1925 respectively. If they were both still here, as they grew up in the south, I wonder what they would say about said greatness.


And I fully admit IM biased because I have seen in my life time, an outnumbered person of color has no voice. So yes I would like to see the numbers balanced because otherwise my kids will be marginalized, just as I was and my parents were.

You seem to think we have enough people of color in America, and I think we have more than enough white people at the moment.

 

[skinsdad62]

Well aside from the fact that my analogy wasnt based out of something I actually fear and your was... thats a good question.


Now to answer this, unless you are claiming soul domain over every inch of this country, I choose to believe the majority of these people are coming here to do exactly what we do. Make a better life for themselves and their family and not to mooch off the system. I accept that there will be some bad apples and they will have to be dealt with accordingly. But I also think the majority of them would come legally if given the chance. And to me a wall is more about not giving them that chance more so than encouraging them to come legally.

Of course you have fear . You express it everyday . You fear a wall will bring on some sort of oppression . You buy the progressive mantra that whites fear people of color , why ? Because you listen to race hustlers and progressives . All if this is going to one place . One world socialism and all the equality promised to you will not happen because it never has .

 

[Sharkinva]

You shouldn’t trust the breitbarts of the world , I don’t . I want to believe you and others have latched on to left wing progressive narratives where you latch on to things that aren’t true and buy lies that are being sold to you as truth . Did you ever read rules for radicals ? I doubt it . Where did this epidemic of racist shooting every innocent minority’s go to ? How long do blacks have to die in Chicago before their govt helps them ? How many dems from flint MI are charged with poisoning blacks water ? How often are you going to vote for the same party that oppresses you ? Every major city is run by dems and virtually every minority has little job prospects , poor schools. Gangs and high crime rates . When will you get that a few thousand white supremicists have no power and don’t represent most whites ? And why do we harp on assholes so much ? How long do you believe a press that doesn’t give you both sides and has an agenda ? No president should have 95% good or bad press and have that called fair journalism . How many more times are you going to buy a press that smears innocent people with no evidence for political gain and when proven wrong disappears . Read rules for radicals shark and then you will understand exactly where I come from

I dont trust any media outlet. I also dont dismiss it unless it has shown a bias against things like human decency.

We focus on the assholes because far too many of them are actually influential in how this country is being run. Fact, Had Obama made Farrakhan a cabinet member, you would feel the same as i do about Bannon, Miller and King. I think there are far more white supremacists or those that sympathize with their ideas than you would ever admit.

 

[skinsdad62]

Well aside from the fact that my analogy wasnt based out of something I actually fear and your was... thats a good question.


Now to answer this, unless you are claiming soul domain over every inch of this country, I choose to believe the majority of these people are coming here to do exactly what we do. Make a better life for themselves and their family and not to mooch off the system. I accept that there will be some bad apples and they will have to be dealt with accordingly. But I also think the majority of them would come legally if given the chance. And to me a wall is more about not giving them that chance more so than encouraging them to come legally.

So what ? That doesn’t give them a right to break our laws and demand a damn thing . And here is a novel idea . That 10000 person caravan probably should have marched on their home countries capitol and demanded change instead of challenging the much stronger US . And why don’t you vote five representatives who will make laws that allow for easier immigration legally ?

 

[Sharkinva]

Of course you have fear . You express it everyday . You fear a wall will bring on some sort of oppression . You buy the progressive mantra that whites fear people of color , why ? Because you listen to race hustlers and progressives . All if this is going to one place . One world socialism and all the equality promised to you will not happen because it never has .

NO sir, I fear it because i have seen first hand what happens when white people fear people of color. It usually ends poorly for the person of color. IM not saying all people of color are angels. But the odds of my kid getting shot because some white guy with a gun got spooked, are probably higher than you having a Mexican come camp out in your living room and force you to cook him dinner. Thats not Mantra, its reality.

 

[Sharkinva]

And why don’t you vote five representatives who will make laws that allow for easier immigration legally ?

I did, this last election. The Party of Trump has ensured I will likely never vote GOP again in my life.

 

[gkekoa]

Its odd you always think IM referring to slavery when I say my ancestors. As if shit just magically stopped once slavery ended. My bothers and parents were around in the 50's back when America was apparently great... for some. My Grandparents were born in 1923 and 1925 respectively. If they were both still here, as they grew up in the south, I wonder what they would say about said greatness.


And I fully admit IM biased because I have seen in my life time, an outnumbered person of color has no voice. So yes I would like to see the numbers balanced because otherwise my kids will be marginalized, just as I was and my parents were.

You seem to think we have enough people of color in America, and I think we have more than enough white people at the moment.

There were some great aspects to America in the 50s and 60s...you know, like republicans fighting for the Civil Rights of PEOPLE. You seem to believe people are thinking MAGA means 50s, when I would say 95% at a minimum are talking 80s and 90s.

So again, you would base policy on race...so what does that make you?

I seem to not give a damn about color and care far more about the US Constitution and the rule of law.

 

[skinsdad62]

NO sir, I fear it because i have seen first hand what happens when white people fear people of color. It usually ends poorly for the person of color. IM not saying all people of color are angels. But the odds of my kid getting shot because some white guy with a gun got spooked, are probably higher than you having a Mexican come camp out in your living room and force you to cook him dinner. Thats not Mantra, its reality.

Shark you have a very scarred view of white people. I wonder how the lonely white guy walking through Compton would fare ? Seems to me if you are put in a situation where you are a minority the door swings both ways

 

[Sharkinva]

There were some great aspects to America in the 50s and 60s...you know, like republicans fighting for the Civil Rights of PEOPLE. You seem to believe people are thinking MAGA means 50s, when I would say 95% at a minimum are talking 80s and 90s.

So again, you would base policy on race...so what does that make you?

I seem to not give a damn about color and care far more about the US Constitution and the rule of law.

I keep hearing people throw out maybe they meant the 80's. My problem with that line is this... the 80's was a time when gay rights got its start, Abortion was rolling along well. And I highly doubt you are in favor of one, and I know you are dead set against the other.

IN the 90 we were in the middle of a cycle of war in the middle east.. so I would find that a stretch. And to be honest, most people think the best time of their life was in their 20 and 30s ... which would be the 50s and 60s for a good portion of the MAGA crowd.

 

[Sharkinva]

Shark you have a very scarred view of white people. I wonder how the lonely white guy walking through Compton would fare ? Seems to me if you are put in a situation where you are a minority the door swings both ways

Having lost someone because they fit the profile tends to do that to you. Odd that I grew up in SE DC in the 70's and 80's and aside from Iraq, I have had guns pointed at me or been shot at by non POCs in all but one instance.

So yea, I feel about white guys with guns about as warm and fuzzy as you do about Mexicans and your credit score, only what i lost aint coming back and cant be repaired by Credit Karma

 

[skinsdad62]

Now I posted this for a reason . Does this black man calling people (kids) racist names represent the vast majority of blacks ? Do I get to lump them in with all Obama supporters ? Or do I get to recognize that this man is a racist asshole who has no voting power at all and thus no influence in the Democratic Party ? What if I applied his behavior to all Obama supporters or HRC supporters ? Do I get to call the vast majority of decent people racist or deplorable because of a few ? I get told over and over again that I fear what is happening to whites in South Africa will happen here when in fact the vast majority of whites are past the race thing . I am past it . I believe most people here in the US are decent people . The only thing I care about is a persons character . I have a Mexican wife . I have relatives in Mexico . If they want to come here to make a better life they come here legally . Most prefer their country : if you have the goods then you can succeed here . If you buy the victimhood card you are only letting others oppress you

 

[Sharkinva]

Now I posted this for a reason . Does this black man calling people (kids) racist names represent the vast majority of blacks ? Do I get to lump them in with all Obama supporters ? Or do I get to recognize that this man is a racist asshole who has no voting power at all and thus no influence in the Democratic Party ? What if I applied his behavior to all Obama supporters or HRC supporters ? Do I get to call the vast majority of decent people racist or deplorable because of a few ? I get told over and over again that I fear what is happening to whites in South Africa will happen here when in fact the vast majority of whites are past the race thing . I am past it . I believe most people here in the US are decent people . The only thing I care about is a persons character . I have a Mexican wife . I have relatives in Mexico . If they want to come here to make a better life they come here legally . Most prefer their country : if you have the goods then you can succeed here . If you buy the victimhood card you are only letting others oppress you

I suspect you posted the video to show that not only whites do this sort of fucked up shit. Which I have never denied. Blacks or Latinos doing this is a rather new (within the last 20 years) thing. And Im not saying that to excuse this assholes behavior. But these innocent little catholic boys were there for the march for life, wearing politically motivated garments. Both actions fly in the face of separation of church and state. And i notice no one comments on these same boys making comments like its not r*pe if you enjoy it.

Now I believe that most PEOPLE are decent regardless of skin color. But the whataboutism has gotten out of control.

You scream they should come here legally while the President is doing everything he can to make that damn near impossible for people from certain regions. And swear that it has NOTHING to do with race... to that last part I have my doubts.