politics thread

[Sharkinva]

I sure as hell dont.

I do. If Putin gets his way, Trump is President for another six years.

If the Mueller probe continues, odds are something or someone in the Presidents direct orbit that he does care about, is going to jail... unless he pardons then and faces Abuse of Power questions.

 

[gkekoa]

Trump was in serious financial trouble before The Apprentice...he was borrowing money from family members to make his payroll.
NBC threw Trump a lifeline that allowed him to rebuild his brand.

You have to understand there is a difference between Donald Trump and Trump’s business holdings.

Do you have a link to the borrowing from family members?

 

[gkekoa]

It has to be about Trump hate, and Trump has to be totally innocent.

Otherwise some people will have ot come to grips with the realization that they voted for and continued to support not only a questionable individual on a personal level. Which I find odd considering all the fine upstanding Christians that support him, but I doubt would trust him with their money or daughter.

But more over, if Trump is complicite, it means folks sold a part of their soul to support a questionable individual who may in fact be a traitor as well.

I support Trump because of his policies. I can’t stand Trump the man.

If Trump is complicit is simply means he is complicit. I voted for Trump because the other option was Hillary. I voted for Trump so we could actually get Supreme Court Justices that have read the Constitution.

Let me know when Trump sells 20% of US uranium to Russia in return for speaking engagements for Melania in Russia and contributions to the Trump Foundation. That is the actual definition of traitor.

 

[Rowdy]

Hatred or not let me help you.

His trade policy is awful.

His immigration policy is awful.

Hes harming the fight against climate change.

He thinks climate change is a lie made up by the chinese.

Hes a racist, sexist ahole with no respect for our military, our intelligence community, our press, or our government.

He lies nonstop.

Hes a morally awful human being.

He has no idea what hes talking about most of the time and just babbles incoherently.

He has appointed several incompetent people to positions within the government many of which have already been forced out for a variety of reasons including corruption.

Im sure im forgetting a few things but that should give you a decent idea.

Now do you want to actually join the discussion and try to refute that or is your contribution going to continue to be limited to the weird unsourced trump love posts with nothing to back them up?

Well, I can’t help you if that’s what you believe. I’ve already told you most of his accomplishments. I think he’s is doing more good for this country than Obummer or crooked Hillary ever would.

 

[ehb5]

Well, I can’t help you if that’s what you believe. I’ve already told you most of his accomplishments. I think he’s is doing more good for this country than Obummer or crooked Hillary ever would.

Like i thought. You have no interest in joining the discussion seriously or actually defending your beliefs.

Carry on with the cheerleading.

 

[ehb5]

And we havent even touched on trumps spineless behavior today or the fact that there was yet another indictment today. Yeesh

 

[Rowdy]

Like i thought. You have no interest in joining the discussion seriously or actually defending your beliefs.

Carry on with the cheerleading.

You’re right I have no interest arguing with a liberal, but I enjoy cheerleading and watching them get schooled

 

[ehb5]

You’re right I have no interest arguing with a liberal, but I enjoy cheerleading and watching them get schooled

Again... im a conservative.

It is sad though that you both feel that anybody who disagrees with you is automatically a liberal and that you openly admit to being a cheerleader against liberals.

Youd rather defend Putin than your fellow americans (and conservatives) who happen to disagree with you. And that says a lot about where we're at as a country right now.

 

[gkekoa]

Hatred or not let me help you.

His trade policy is awful.

His immigration policy is awful.

Hes harming the fight against climate change.

He thinks climate change is a lie made up by the chinese.

Hes a racist, sexist ahole with no respect for our military, our intelligence community, our press, or our government.

He lies nonstop.

Hes a morally awful human being.

He has no idea what hes talking about most of the time and just babbles incoherently.

He has appointed several incompetent people to positions within the government many of which have already been forced out for a variety of reasons including corruption.

Im sure im forgetting a few things but that should give you a decent idea.

Now do you want to actually join the discussion and try to refute that or is your contribution going to continue to be limited to the weird unsourced trump love posts with nothing to back them up?

Trade policy is yet decided.

Immigration policy is actually the law.

Climate change is completely unproven if we are discussing man as the cause. Not withstanding, U.S. Leads in Greenhouse Gas Reductions, but Some States Are Falling Behind | Article | EESI

Prove to me he is racist. Have you ever used a non-Pc term for a white person? Prove to prove to me he is sexist? Racist/sexist people do not hire those he is racist or sexist against to do what he has done.

How has he disrespected the military? As a vet, I would like to know. I would say he has done more for our military than anybody since Bush 1 at the least.

I have no respect for our intelligence community. I believe they are currently extremely tainted.

I have respect for our press, in general, because they are no longer impartial. Hell, they don’t even try to appear impartial.

The US citizenry doesn’t respect our government. Have you seen the approval ratings? Hell, the congressmen don’t respect our government which is set up by...THE CONSTITUTION.

He does lie...a lot. It is tiresome. He is also extremely honest, occasionally too honest.

Is he morally awful? How do we determine that? I can say he was morally awful, imo...but is he today?

He really does shoot off with the mouth. It is quite annoying.

Every POTUS has incompetent people and/or corrupt people they appoint. It is he swamp. Hell, he tried to go outside the swamp and he tried to get people he didn’t really know but hoped he could trust. Maybe one day, the American people will wise up and elect an actual patriot...not a politician or personality, but somebody who actually served this country. Maybe that person will appoint people he actually knows he can trust.

 

[gkekoa]

I sure as hell dont.

Really?

You can’t understand trusting Putin, who has done you no personal harm

Over

The intelligence agencies you believe let your political opponent go from an actual felony and even treason, but are attacking you with accusations of collusion you don’t believe?

 

[ehb5]

Really?

You can’t understand trusting Putin, who has done you no personal harm

Over

The intelligence agencies you believe let your political opponent go from an actual felony and even treason, but are attacking you with accusations of collusion you don’t believe?

No i dont understand trusting the corrupt and evil leader of our enemy more than our own intelligence community, why do you ask?

 

[gkekoa]

Again... im a conservative.

It is sad though that you both feel that anybody who disagrees with you is automatically a liberal and that you openly admit to being a cheerleader against liberals.

Youd rather defend Putin than your fellow americans (and conservatives) who happen to disagree with you. And that says a lot about where we're at as a country right now.

OK...let me ask you this. I see people attacking you as a liberal and you claim to be a conservative. Let’s look at the issues...

1- Pro-life or Pro-choice
2- wealth redistribution or earn your own money
3- single payer medical or pay your own way
4- increase taxes on the rich because they can afford it or fair taxation
5- centralized federal power or state and local government should have more power
6- Strong military or down size
7- government regulation is good or bad, generally
8- it is all white privileges fault or people are responsible for their own lives
9- open borders or nation of laws
10- Government should do more for the poor or we do enough
11- capitalism or socialism
12- we have equal rights or more laws need to be made to level the field
13- US first or we should sacrifice as a nation for the good of other countries

 

[gkekoa]

No i dont understand trusting the corrupt and evil leader of our enemy more than our own intelligence community, why do you ask?

I didn’t say you. I said put yourself in Trump’s shoes. Who would you trust or at least claim to trust?

Putin, who has done you no harm, or

The intelligence community you feel is attacking your presidency without cause with unquestionable bias while allowing your felonious opponent run free?

 

[ehb5]

Trade policy is yet decided.

Immigration policy is actually the law.

Climate change is completely unproven if we are discussing man as the cause. Not withstanding, U.S. Leads in Greenhouse Gas Reductions, but Some States Are Falling Behind | Article | EESI

Prove to me he is racist. Have you ever used a non-Pc term for a white person? Prove to prove to me he is sexist? Racist/sexist people do not hire those he is racist or sexist against to do what he has done.

How has he disrespected the military? As a vet, I would like to know. I would say he has done more for our military than anybody since Bush 1 at the least.

I have no respect for our intelligence community. I believe they are currently extremely tainted.

I have respect for our press, in general, because they are no longer impartial. Hell, they don’t even try to appear impartial.

The US citizenry doesn’t respect our government. Have you seen the approval ratings? Hell, the congressmen don’t respect our government which is set up by...THE CONSTITUTION.

He does lie...a lot. It is tiresome. He is also extremely honest, occasionally too honest.

Is he morally awful? How do we determine that? I can say he was morally awful, imo...but is he today?

He really does shoot off with the mouth. It is quite annoying.

Every POTUS has incompetent people and/or corrupt people they appoint. It is he swamp. Hell, he tried to go outside the swamp and he tried to get people he didn’t really know but hoped he could trust. Maybe one day, the American people will wise up and elect an actual patriot...not a politician or personality, but somebody who actually served this country. Maybe that person will appoint people he actually knows he can trust.

Its widely accepted as bad economic policy and is already having negative affects to nobody's surprise.

That does not excuse cruelty. And weve been over this 20 times by now but he wants to limit legal immigration which is a bad thing and casts immigration in a falsely bad light. All of that is harmful.

Regardless of whether you think it is human caused it is a potentially massive problem that trump is determined to discredit and hurt progress with.

Dude the list hes said of things is a mile long. I know to you nobody is racist unless they outright say "i hate *insert race of your choice here*" or their name is Barack obama but it's pretty clear at this point. And i don't say that lightly.

Same goes for sexism. His repeated disrespect for women isnt even surprising anymore.

Im not sure why you think he can't be racist or sexist because he hires or works with women and minorities. Thats not how that works. He doesn't get a cookie for not wanting to throwback to the 1800s.

Well that's a shame.

As is that. The media needs to be better but they are also not a fake press working that should be targeted by the president. There is plenty of credible news out there.

The military. Comments on mccain and the gold star families? I believe there have been quite a few other instances as well.

Theres a difference between the public thinking poorly of our government and the president not having respect for our country and the office he holds.

If he lies a lot then he is not extremely honest. Hes extremely dishonest.

Yes he is. Lying, cheating, constant offensive remarks, most likely sexual assault, where does it end?

Maybe he constantly hires incompetent and or corrupt people because he either has no idea what he's doing, is ok with the incompetence and corruption, or both.

At this point trump is as much the swamp as anybody. Hell hes building the swamp up more than his wall.

 

[ehb5]

OK...let me ask you this. I see people attacking you as a liberal and you claim to be a conservative. Let’s look at the issues...

1- Pro-life or Pro-choice
2- wealth redistribution or earn your own money
3- single payer medical or pay your own way
4- increase taxes on the rich because they can afford it or fair taxation
5- centralized federal power or state and local government should have more power
6- Strong military or down size
7- government regulation is good or bad, generally
8- it is all white privileges fault or people are responsible for their own lives
9- open borders or nation of laws
10- Government should do more for the poor or we do enough
11- capitalism or socialism
12- we have equal rights or more laws need to be made to level the field
13- US first or we should sacrifice as a nation for the good of other countries

What a novel idea (im not mocking you mind you - if seems like an obvious question if somebody didnt believe me lol)

1. Pro life
2. Thats a false dilemma.
3. Lean pay your own way but healthcare is definitely the issue i know the least about and therefore dont have a strong opinion on it.
4. No tax hikes on the rich.
5. State and local
6. Both
7. Necesarry but bad. It needs to exist but be limited.
8. Both.
9. Well i don't think thats representative of the 2 sides at all. But ill go laws with an emphasis on increased immigration.
10. We should always try to help more. How and what we do is debatable. You don't owe your neighbor.
11. Capitalism
12. Not more laws but that doesn't mean everybody is treated equally. Just that the solution shouldn't be legislated.
13. US first. Which often involves working with other countries for mutual benefit.
14. And as a bonus since you didnt mention it. Pro 2A

 

[skinsdad62]

According to you anybody who criticizes trump is a trump hater who wants to see him fail.

You do realize the logical fallacy that creates right?

Trump has been bickering with bush , McCain and this cat since day one

 

[skinsdad62]

The MSM is in lock step with anti trump hate from day one , Sheppard Smith , Neal cavuto , Wallace routinely criticize on issues they don’t like as does mark Levin so does Juan Williams so does Dana perino . So does Geraldo Rivera . You would know this if you watched Fox News but instead you watch half clips on the internet or from the MSM I can tell ebb and shark didn’t take up my challenge just by their comments

 

[ehb5]

The MSM is in lock step with anti trump hate from day one , Sheppard Smith , Neal cavuto , Wallace routinely criticize on issues they don’t like as does mark Levin so does Juan Williams so does Dana perino . So does Geraldo Rivera . You would know this if you watched Fox News but instead you watch half clips on the internet or from the MSM I can tell ebb and shark didn’t take up my challenge just by their comments

What's your challenge? I legit don't remember this

 

[ehb5]

Trump has been bickering with bush , McCain and this cat since day one

I wonder why

 

[skinsdad62]

Yes everybody knows the dossier is connected to hillary and fusion gps. That isnt shady. Steele has even worked with the fbi previously. He went to the fbi on his own with the dossier. The fbi used the dossier as a part of the information they presented to the fisa court to get the warrant. They did disclose that it was likely opposition research and Steeles history. They also presented other information they had.
It isn’t shady ? What does it take to be shady ? Show me where they disclosed to the fisa judge where it came from

Since they already had started an investigation we know that the dossier was not the only piece of the puzzle and was likely not a massive part. Furthermore the warrant was renewed which means that the warrant was likely found to be justified the first. Signed off by rosenstein and that’s how he is involved

Also Obama did not wiretap his campaign or put spies in it. That is beyond bullshit. That is simply not what happened. I cant stress this enough - you are buying into conspiracy theories. For your own sake just consider that maybe you have been lied to.

Most certainly did , that’s how they got Flynn
Strzok and page did not like trump at all. We know that. We DO NOT know that they acted on that in any way. For one, it would have been very difficult for them to as Strzok pointed out the other day. That is not how the fbi works. Secondly, strzok would have had every oppprtunity to actually do something and release the fact that the trump campaign was being investigated during the campaign and yet he did not do that. And thirdly strzok was one of the agents actually pushing for even more thorough investigation of hillary. We simply do not have any evidence that he or page acted inapporproately in any way as fbi agents.

Strozk changed the wording on the HRC report Comey gave to the nation

Because the investigation was considered largely complete at that time and unlikely to change barring a confession from hillary in the interview.

Yes mueller indicted 12 russians for hacking the DNC. Thank you for providing further evidence that Russia was working to harm Hillarys campaign.

Rosenstein said that no americans were involved in the indictments of the russians...which is involved because...theyre russians.

He said no Americans were involved in the hacking which I said
Rosenstein DID NOT say that no americans are involved in this investigation or that no americans have or will be found guilty. He was only referring to yesterdays indictments. To pass that off as something more is incredibly dishonest.

Im sorry what? How is rosenstein guilty in this now?

And that is exactly why the wording is changed. The fbi did not feel that prosecution was justified and wanted to avoid phrasing with a legal meaning that was the opposite of that. Thats a pretty simple explanation rather than a conspiracy theory.

We shall see what the mueller investigation turns up. If it concludes with no evidence then you can say they found nothing. Until then if you want to claim you know what they have or dont have youre just parroting partisan talking points.

As for the server they still looked at the server. You dont need the literal server to investigate it. The copy of the server serves the same purpose. Also...the DNC wasnt being investigated for the hacking. They were the victims of the hacking. You have to know the difference between being the focus of an investigation and being the victim of what the investigation is about.
I didn’t say the dnc for hacking , but where is the server

So yes that is fair to not break down the doors of the dnc but to do it to cohen. There is a clear and complete difference in those scenarios.