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[gkekoa]

Cutting or trading CDC and DH costs you 20 mil in dead cap space signing Allen would cost about 10 mil . Drafting a qb adds another 14 mil . 44 mil at the position and half not even being used

Go into next season with DH and a rookie. Showcase DH and let the rookie compete. Our QB situation is a complete mess and we have to clean it up in order to fix the team. Eat the 11 million in dead cap for AS.

 

[skinsdad62]

Go into next season with DH and a rookie. Showcase DH and let the rookie compete. Our QB situation is a complete mess and we have to clean it up in order to fix the team. Eat the 11 million in dead cap for AS.

That is an option . Can’t see it happening even if it should

 

[Stymietee]

Washington won Super-bowls with Theesman, Williams and Rypien, let that sink in for a moment. The key? A great offensive line! How is it possible that the formula has been forgotten/dismissed in a place where domestic pigs were made famous?

I say, keep the three guys that you have, cut or keep Smith next year, I really don't care, add a guy if Allen gets paid more somewhere else, but for goodness sakes, go back to that winning formula. Get the monsters that you need on the O-line, get your Warren, Didier types at TE, then take the field, and win some games. This isn't rocket science, it's blocking and tackling 101.

I swear this QB centric nonsense is ruining the game. Turns out, Super Bowls can be won with good not just great QB play.

 

[Caliskinsfan]

Some excellent points Sty.

And things... that ONLY we redskin fans truly know and understand (if we are old enuff or well enuff versed in our history...lol) as we are the ONLY franchise to have seen successful runs to SBs with 3 ‘Not Generational’ talent but above average QBs.

The game is won in the trenches. Even now, with the pass happy rules and nearly impossible limitations placed on defensive players, it all begins at the line, both sides.

Thing is tho, decent to above average QB play REMAINS critical to the formula as well. QBs do touch the ball EVERY play. And salary caps make balancing teams very challenging obviously. Here we have failed, time and time again.

QBs are now the premier faces of the NFL. The rules favoring them and keeping them healthy are not changing. Way too much money is involved at this point. And no one wants to see product rolled out on the field with lesser play from a back up QB. No one.

So, I’m not sure what the exact formula is THESE days. I know what worked in THOSE days. But certainly a franchise must have strength in the trenches and decent to above average QB play. This, for sure hasn’t changed.

HTTR!

 

[Sportster 72]

Some excellent points Sty.

And things... that ONLY we redskin fans truly know and understand (if we are old enuff or well enuff versed in our history...lol) as we are the ONLY franchise to have seen successful runs to SBs with 3 ‘Not Generational’ talent but above average QBs.

The game is won in the trenches. Even now, with the pass happy rules and nearly impossible limitations placed on defensive players, it all begins at the line, both sides.

Thing is tho, decent to above average QB play REMAINS critical to the formula as well. QBs do touch the ball EVERY play. And salary caps make balancing teams very challenging obviously. Here we have failed, time and time again.

QBs are now the premier faces of the NFL. The rules favoring them and keeping them healthy are not changing. Way too much money is involved at this point. And no one wants to see product rolled out on the field with lesser play from a back up QB. No one.

So, I’m not sure what the exact formula is THESE days. I know what worked in THOSE days. But certainly a franchise must have strength in the trenches and decent to above average QB play. This, for sure hasn’t changed.

HTTR!

Lots of good points Cali.

We all know it, we all beat around the bush and use the words but what it takes is a TEAM. Not just a QB, not just a line or two lines if you are bogarting.

For those of us who remember the Gibbs era first edition. He won with 3 different QBs, three different RBs. They could run the ball and pass it. They had a very good defense. The coaches were awesome ... Gibbs, Petibon, Buges and many more.
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Look at the good teams, the team itself is good, the coaches are good. Seattle, New England, Indy with Dungy, Pittsburgh with Tomlin, Philly and KC with Andy Reid. You need the entire shooting match.

Whether is it Haskins, Lance, Zach Wilson, Mac Jones or any of those other guys it isn't going to change until the team changes.

 

[tomcat1]

Washington won Super-bowls with Theesman, Williams and Rypien, let that sink in for a moment. The key? A great offensive line! How is it possible that the formula has been forgotten/dismissed in a place where domestic pigs were made famous?

I say, keep the three guys that you have, cut or keep Smith next year, I really don't care, add a guy if Allen gets paid more somewhere else, but for goodness sakes, go back to that winning formula. Get the monsters that you need on the O-line, get your Warren, Didier types at TE, then take the field, and win some games. This isn't rocket science, it's blocking and tackling 101.

I swear this QB centric nonsense is ruining the game. Turns out, Super Bowls can be won with good not just great QB play.

I'm disappointed because you didn't give me more forward thinking to do because you nailed it with current thinking that is spot on! The only problem is that the current domestic pigs that you speak of who currently make up our O-Line may never grow up to be full grown hogs. So, since Gibbs is in the racing business, rather than the animal growing business, who do we contact to find these large creatures that you speak of? They've got to be somewhere since I'm told that players are bigger, stronger, and faster than they use to be. I'm old school so maybe blocking and tackling doesn't matter the way it use to since this game has changed into an aerial assault but I'm still not buying that.

 

[Stymietee]

I'm disappointed because you didn't give me more forward thinking to do because you nailed it with current thinking that is spot on! The only problem is that the current domestic pigs that you speak of who currently make up our O-Line may never grow up to be full grown hogs. So, since Gibbs is in the racing business, rather than the animal growing business, who do we contact to find these large creatures that you speak of? They've got to be somewhere since I'm told that players are bigger, stronger, and faster than they use to be. I'm old school so maybe blocking and tackling doesn't matter the way it use to since this game has changed into an aerial assault but I'm still not buying that.

Take a look at the Pittsburg Steelers and we find a team that has employed a total of 3 HC's since 1969. This team has a signature formula that they have adhered to from that time to now and they've found success (a winning formula) They are:

Chuck Noll	1969–91	193-148-1
Bill Cowher	1992–2006	149-90-1
Mike Tomlin	2007-Present	133-74-1

 

[skinsdad62]

HC stability and Qb stability

 

[skinsdad62]

 

[Stymietee]

I'm disappointed because you didn't give me more forward thinking to do because you nailed it with current thinking that is spot on! The only problem is that the current domestic pigs that you speak of who currently make up our O-Line may never grow up to be full grown hogs. So, since Gibbs is in the racing business, rather than the animal growing business, who do we contact to find these large creatures that you speak of? They've got to be somewhere since I'm told that players are bigger, stronger, and faster than they use to be. I'm old school so maybe blocking and tackling doesn't matter the way it use to since this game has changed into an aerial assault but I'm still not buying that.

Washington had a winning formula that translates to today's game and for whatever reason decided to hire coaches who didn't do things the Washington way. Who are the current ones? I can't say for sure, but there was no building on the Gibbs tree as it should have been, especially considering there were several members of his staff that went on to become head coaches, including Joe Bugel, Dan Henning, etc. More current Gibbs fostered players Russ Grimm, Todd Bowles and a few others who became branches of that tree. How on earth Grimm wasn't hired here in D.C still puzzles me.

 

[tomcat1]

Take a look at the Pittsburg Steelers and we find a team that has employed a total of 3 HC's since 1969. This team has a signature formula that they have adhered to from that time to now and they've found success (a winning formula) They are:

Chuck Noll	1969–91	193-148-1
Bill Cowher	1992–2006	149-90-1
Mike Tomlin	2007-Present	133-74-1

Absolutely because if you get behind the Steelers in the 4th quarter their running game might not give you the ball back by eating up minutes on the clock. They have been and remain a solid organization for many years.

 

[tomcat1]

HC stability and Qb stability

Two of the biggest keys to winning not to mention a solid defense for years.

 

[tomcat1]

Washington had a winning formula that translates to today's game and for whatever reason decided to hire coaches who didn't do things the Washington way. Who are the current ones? I can't say for sure, but there was no building on the Gibbs tree as it should have been, especially considering there were several members of his staff that went on to become head coaches, including Joe Bugel, Dan Henning, etc. More current Gibbs fostered players Russ Grimm, Todd Bowles and a few others who became branches of that tree. How on earth Grimm wasn't hired here in D.C still puzzles me.

Look no further than who we had at the top back then vs. what we have at the top now.

 

[Stymietee]

Absolutely because if you get behind the Steelers in the 4th quarter their running game might not give you the ball back by eating up minutes on the clock. They have been and remain a solid organization for many years.

Yeah man, it's formulaic, 3 HC's since 1969 is hella consistent more so than having a QB. Here's a list of their QB's since 1969: Even in the lean years, they stuck with the HC.

Season	Regular season

1969 Dick Shiner (9) / Terry Hanratty (5) ​ 1970 Terry Bradshaw (8) / Terry Hanratty (6) ​ 1971 Terry Bradshaw (13) / Terry Hanratty (1) ​ 1972 Terry Bradshaw (14) ​ 1973 Terry Bradshaw (9) / Terry Hanratty (4) / Joe Gilliam (1) ​ 1974 Terry Bradshaw (7) / Joe Gilliam (6) / Terry Hanratty (1) ​ 1975 Terry Bradshaw (14) ​ 1976 Terry Bradshaw (8) / Mike Kruczek (6) ​ 1977 Terry Bradshaw (14) ​ 1978 Terry Bradshaw (16) ​ 1979 Terry Bradshaw (16) ​ 1980 Terry Bradshaw (15) / Cliff Stoudt (1) ​ 1981 Terry Bradshaw (14) / Mark Malone (2) ​ 1982 Terry Bradshaw (9) ​ 1983 Cliff Stoudt (15) / Terry Bradshaw (1) ​ 1984 Mark Malone (9) / David Woodley (7) ​ 1985 Mark Malone (8) / David Woodley (6) / Scott Campbell (2) ​ 1986 Mark Malone (14) / Bubby Brister (2) ​ 1987 Mark Malone (12) / Steve Bono (3) ​ 1988 Bubby Brister (13) / Todd Blackledge (3) ​ 1989 Bubby Brister (14) / Todd Blackledge (2) ​ 1990 Bubby Brister (16) ​ 1991 Neil O'Donnell (8) / Bubby Brister (8) ​ 1992 Neil O'Donnell (12) / Bubby Brister (4) ​ 1993 Neil O'Donnell (15) / Mike Tomczak (1) ​ 1994 Neil O'Donnell (14) / Mike Tomczak (2) ​ 1995 Neil O'Donnell (12) / Mike Tomczak (4) ​ 1996 Mike Tomczak (15) / Jim Miller (1) ​ 1997 Kordell Stewart (16) ​ 1998 Kordell Stewart (16) ​ 1999 Kordell Stewart (12) / Mike Tomczak (4)			​

 

[Stymietee]

2000	Kordell Stewart (11) / Kent Graham (5)		[68]​
2001	Kordell Stewart (16)	Kordell Stewart (1–1)	[69]​
2002	Tommy Maddox (11) / Kordell Stewart (5)	Tommy Maddox (1–1)	[70]​
2003	Tommy Maddox (16)		[71]​
2004	Ben Roethlisberger (13) / Tommy Maddox (3)	Ben Roethlisberger (1–1)	[72]​
2005	Ben Roethlisberger (12) / Tommy Maddox (2) / Charlie Batch (2)	Ben Roethlisberger (4–0)	[73]​
2006	Ben Roethlisberger (15) / Charlie Batch (1)		[74]​
2007	Ben Roethlisberger (15) / Charlie Batch (1)	Ben Roethlisberger (0–1)	[75]​
2008	Ben Roethlisberger (16)	Ben Roethlisberger (3–0)	[76]​
2009	Ben Roethlisberger (15) / Dennis Dixon (1)		[77]​
2010	Ben Roethlisberger (12) / Charlie Batch (2) / Dennis Dixon (2)	Ben Roethlisberger (2–1)	[78]​
2011	Ben Roethlisberger (15) / Charlie Batch (1)	Ben Roethlisberger (0–1)	[79]​
2012	Ben Roethlisberger (13) / Charlie Batch (2) / Byron Leftwich (1)		[80]​
2013	Ben Roethlisberger (16)		[81]​
2014	Ben Roethlisberger (16)	Ben Roethlisberger (0–1)	[82]​
2015	Ben Roethlisberger (11) / Michael Vick (3) / Landry Jones (2)	Ben Roethlisberger (1–1)	[83]​
2016	Ben Roethlisberger (14) / Landry Jones (2)	Ben Roethlisberger (2–1)	[84]​
2017	Ben Roethlisberger (15) / Landry Jones (1)	Ben Roethlisberger (0–1)	[85]​
2018	Ben Roethlisberger (16)		[86]​
2019	Mason Rudolph (8) / Devlin Hodges (6) / Ben Roethlisberger (2)		[87]​
2020	Ben Roethlisberger (9)

 

[Stymietee]

Look no further than who we had at the top back then vs. what we have at the top now.

Do you really want to gut punch a brother? Ouch!

 

[Caliskinsfan]

HC stability and Qb stability

I’d add GM and scouting and a contract stability. Not sure why we lost Eric Schafer...still annoyed by that. Again one of the best in the biz. Stinks of losing John Schneider (?) to Seattle way back when.

 

[tomcat1]

I’d add GM and scouting and a contract stability. Not sure why we lost Eric Schafer...still annoyed by that. Again one of the best in the biz. Stinks of losing John Schneider (?) to Seattle way back when.

May we add ownership concerning the Pittsburgh Steelers since the Rooney family has kept them a stable force for many years?