Playoff Hunt - 2021

[deep9er]

Did you notice how long it takes lance to give the play and get the team up to the line? It leaves no room for changing the play at the line if he sees something he doesn't like. That will be death if he does that against a good team. I hope somehow Garoppolo can play next Sunday.

Again, you're expecting Lance to play like a 5-year vet that JG is.....in the 49er system mind you.

 

[Montalban]

Again, you're expecting Lance to play like a 5-year vet that JG is.....in the 49er system mind you.

I'm expecting him to at least look like a decent QB, if not a high end first round draft choice. As you are so fond of saying about Garoppolo, the Niners won today despite Lance, not because of him.
Look at the weapons' the guy has. he's set up for success. He's got the best tight end in the game, one of the top wideouts in Samuel and Aiyuk ain't no slouch either. He's got a top running game and a solid defense. I should expect him to do well

 

[Kinzu]

If the Saints beat the Falcons and the 49ers lose to the Rams the Niners are out; even if the Eagles lose to Dallas. Strange scenario whereby they'd be tied with Philly and beat Philly head to head but Philly gets in over them.
This looks really bad

You'd think head to head means something. 3-way tie and we didn't play the Saints but did play and beat the Eagles should weigh more than other scenarios.

Eagles beat Saints
49ers beat Eagles
Saints beat neither

I dont get how the Saints are even still in this in a 3 way tie.

 

[Montalban]

Someone in the NFL needs to take a look at the current tie breakers for getting in the playoffs. The 49ers and the Eagles will end up with the same 9 and 8 record, the 49ers beat the Eagles head to head and yet the Eagles will get in over the 49ers. There is no way that makes any sense

 

[Montalban]

You'd think head to head means something. 3-way tie and we didn't play the Saints but did play and beat the Eagles should weigh more than other scenarios.

Eagles beat Saints
49ers beat Eagles
Saints beat neither

I dont get how the Saints are even still in this in a 3 way tie.

You are 100% correct in my opinion. I don't care that the 49ers put themselves in this position with their stunning defensive collapses at the end of games; they still beat the Eagles head to head and it makes no sense that that is not the first tie breaker between the two teams.

 

[Niner Outlaw]

Looking like the Niners will miss the playoffs this season b/c winning games we have to win isn't something Shanny's team is known for.

The Niners played and coached their way down to this spot
--the D fell apart vs. the Packers
--Niners gave away both games against Seattle
--Grop was a turnover machine against the Titans and our HC lost all the running plays in the 2nd half
--Just 1 of those games puts us in the playoffs.

AND we had some help getting here--the Saints, who went 2-6 down the stretch, have gone 3-1 in the last 4 games, including a shocking win over the Bucs. That means if we lose vs. the Rams and the Saints beat the Falcons, there is a 3 way tie and the Niners lose the conference winning % tiebreaker to the Saints.

BUT WAIT, THERE'S MORE!
B/c of AZ’s late season swoon, the Rams can still win the division if they beat us next week, thereby improving their playoff seed from 5 to 4 or 4 to 3. So, they will want to win.
--if Lance starts against the Rams, we lose. Period.

 

[Montalban]

Looking like the Niners will miss the playoffs this season b/c winning games we have to win isn't something Shanny's team is known for.

The Niners played and coached their way down to this spot
--the D fell apart vs. the Packers
--Niners gave away both games against Seattle
--Grop was a turnover machine against the Titans and our HC lost all the running plays in the 2nd half
--Just 1 of those games puts us in the playoffs.

AND we had some help getting here--the Saints, who went 2-6 down the stretch, have gone 3-1 in the last 4 games, including a shocking win over the Bucs. That means if we lose vs. the Rams and the Saints beat the Falcons, there is a 3 way tie and the Niners lose the conference winning % tiebreaker to the Saints.

BUT WAIT, THERE'S MORE!
B/c of AZ’s late season swoon, the Rams can still win the division if they beat us next week, thereby improving their playoff seed from 5 to 4 or 4 to 3. So, they will want to win.
--if Lance starts against the Rams, we lose. Period.

Crazy isn't it. The three that really stand out are the failure to hold a lead with 37 seconds left and no timeouts for Green Bay, the collapse of the defense against Tennessee and the failure to beat AZ at home when they didn't have Murray, Hopkins or Green playing.

 

[Niner Outlaw]

Crazy isn't it. The three that really stand out are the failure to hold a lead with 37 seconds left and no timeouts for Green Bay, the collapse of the defense against Tennessee and the failure to beat AZ at home when they didn't have Murray, Hopkins or Green playing.

It's amazing. We've beaten the Rams 5 straight times and considering how this season has gone, that'll end this week.

If we miss the playoffs, I could easily see Ryans getting fired and a new DC brought in. I understand that the FO gave him a bad hand at CB, and DT, but the Niner D leads the league in DPI despite having one of the best pass rushers in the league.

OR, we could see Lynch sent packing at GM a year earlier than expected (imo, he's toast for sure after next season). Way too many misses in the draft (how much time ya got?), FA (McKinnon, keeping Grop over Brady), and trade market (Ford).

 

[deep9er]

You'd think head to head means something. 3-way tie and we didn't play the Saints but did play and beat the Eagles should weigh more than other scenarios.

Eagles beat Saints
49ers beat Eagles
Saints beat neither

I dont get how the Saints are even still in this in a 3 way tie.

Head-to-Head would mean something if the 49ers had played the Saints. The 49ers didn't play the Saints so you're not even able to apply head-to-head. Under this scenario you can only toss out head-to-head and apply the next criteria.

 

[Niner Outlaw]

To get into the playoffs:
--Niners must beat the LAR, OR
--Falcons must beat the Saints

Well, the Niners have beaten the rams 5 straight times, including once already this year.
OTOH, the Saints are 3-1 in their last 4 games, but the Falcons beat them back in week 9.

Niners are 5.5pt dogs against LAR.
Saints are 4.5pt favorites over ATL.

Let's just say, it doesn't look good for the Niners chances. And since they controlled their own destiny for the last 6 weeks of the season, they've got no one to blame but themselves.

 

[deep9er]

Looking like the Niners will miss the playoffs this season b/c winning games we have to win isn't something Shanny's team is known for.

The Niners played and coached their way down to this spot
--the D fell apart vs. the Packers
--Niners gave away both games against Seattle
--Grop was a turnover machine against the Titans and our HC lost all the running plays in the 2nd half
--Just 1 of those games puts us in the playoffs.

AND we had some help getting here--the Saints, who went 2-6 down the stretch, have gone 3-1 in the last 4 games, including a shocking win over the Bucs. That means if we lose vs. the Rams and the Saints beat the Falcons, there is a 3 way tie and the Niners lose the conference winning % tiebreaker to the Saints.

BUT WAIT, THERE'S MORE!
B/c of AZ’s late season swoon, the Rams can still win the division if they beat us next week, thereby improving their playoff seed from 5 to 4 or 4 to 3. So, they will want to win.
--if Lance starts against the Rams, we lose. Period.

Yes, by losing all of these games we put ourselves in this "win or out" position. I think we all agree, if we don't get in then we didn't deserve it anyway. The schedule was favorable this season and we're still struggling to get in, week 18.

The Rams will be favored with good reason, so it wouldn't look favorable no matter which QB starts. However, not going so far as "we lose. Period.", because 'on any given Sunday'.

 

[deep9er]

It's amazing. We've beaten the Rams 5 straight times and considering how this season has gone, that'll end this week.

If we miss the playoffs, I could easily see Ryans getting fired and a new DC brought in. I understand that the FO gave him a bad hand at CB, and DT, but the Niner D leads the league in DPI despite having one of the best pass rushers in the league.

OR, we could see Lynch sent packing at GM a year earlier than expected (imo, he's toast for sure after next season). Way too many misses in the draft (how much time ya got?), FA (McKinnon, keeping Grop over Brady), and trade market (Ford).

For me, don't see a change at DC nor GM, next season. No doubt this was a disappointing season but not so much that we make major changes like this. I don't feel DeMeco did a bad job this season, so bad that it justifies his firing. Yes, we lost some leads but then again, the offense should've scored earlier or not turn it over so much. Special Teams didn't help in certain games.

The recent drafts have been poor as we all know, and that goes back to Lynch. Granted Shannahan has a lot of input on draft picks. But don't see York wanting to separate Lynch from Shannahan just yet. Hopefully, Shannahan inputs but places less weight on who we actually draft.

The nature of Free Agency is that you overpay, odds are high we don't get the value in higher end FA's. You overpay during their tenure and even afterward, via dead money. BUT that's the nature of fans EVERY off-season, clamoring to sign every FA that's available. This coming off season won't be any different, fans will say sign so and so because they're still good players. But its 3-4 years later that we turn around and criticize the signings as poor, when they're no longer good players.

 

[Niner Outlaw]

It's a strange last week of the year if you're the Rams or really any team in the NFC West.

The Rams could fall almost anywhere in the playoff seeding:
Rams are the #2 if LAR beat the 9ers, going 13-4, & having the H/H tiebreaker over TB

Rams are the #3 if LAR lose to 9ers, Dallas beats Philly, TB loses to Carolina, and AZ loses to Seattle.
-B/c each of LAR, Dallas, and TB would be 12-5, and the conference record tiebreaker means Dallas (2 NFC losses) is #2, LAR (3 NFC losses) are #3, and TB (5 NFC losses) is #4.

Rams are the #4 if LAR lose to 9ers, TB wins (#2), Dallas wins (#3, conference tiebreaker over LAR), and AZ loses (#5)

Rams are the #5 if LAR lose to 9ers, AZ beats Seattle, making AZ the West champs b/c of the division record tiebreaker over LA.

If the Rams are the 2 seed, they’ll be playing Philly or NO (the 7th seed).
If the Rams are the 3 seed, they’ll be playing SF (the 6th seed).
If the Rams are the 4/5 seed, they’ll be playing Arizona.

WHAT ABOUT THE NINERS?
If the Niners get into the playoffs by beating the Rams (...and monkeys could fly out of my butt), we’ll be the 6th seed with edging out Philly with a better record or H/H tiebreaker. THAT means we’ll be playing the 3 seed, which is gonna be Dallas, TB, or Arizona.

 

[Niner Outlaw]

For me, don't see a change at DC nor GM, next season. No doubt this was a disappointing season but not so much that we make major changes like this. I don't feel DeMeco did a bad job this season, so bad that it justifies his firing. Yes, we lost some leads but then again, the offense should've scored earlier or not turn it over so much. Special Teams didn't help in certain games.

The recent drafts have been poor as we all know, and that goes back to Lynch. Granted Shannahan has a lot of input on draft picks. But don't see York wanting to separate Lynch from Shannahan just yet. Hopefully, Shannahan inputs but places less weight on who we actually draft.

The nature of Free Agency is that you overpay, odds are high we don't get the value in higher end FA's. You overpay during their tenure and even afterward, via dead money. BUT that's the nature of fans EVERY off-season, clamoring to sign every FA that's available. This coming off season won't be any different, fans will say sign so and so because they're still good players. But its 3-4 years later that we turn around and criticize the signings as poor, when they're no longer good players.

Considering the HC openings coming and the slew of coaches about the hit the employment line, we should be looking hard at a new DC. Another defensive year like this one and he's sure to be gone...and he won't be alone imo (See below).

As for Lynch, that's why i said "a year early" since I expect Lynch to be fired after we miss the playoffs next year. That'll be a new GM that ensures Kyle understands that 1 playoff season in 6 years is unacceptable and 2023 will be playoffs or ese the new GM will be hiring his own head coach.

As for free agency and trade, no one is complaining about overpaying for FAs. That is the nature of FA. The complaints are made b/c the GM threw that big money at...the...wrong...players.

 

[Montalban]

It's amazing. We've beaten the Rams 5 straight times and considering how this season has gone, that'll end this week.

If we miss the playoffs, I could easily see Ryans getting fired and a new DC brought in. I understand that the FO gave him a bad hand at CB, and DT, but the Niner D leads the league in DPI despite having one of the best pass rushers in the league.

OR, we could see Lynch sent packing at GM a year earlier than expected (imo, he's toast for sure after next season). Way too many misses in the draft (how much time ya got?), FA (McKinnon, keeping Grop over Brady), and trade market (Ford).

Ford, Soleman Thomas, Ambry Thomas, Kinlaw, Reuben Foster, the Notre Dame Guard who they took in the second round this year who can't even dress on game days, Kwon Alexander

 

[deep9er]

It's a strange last week of the year if you're the Rams or really any team in the NFC West.

The Rams could fall almost anywhere in the playoff seeding:
Rams are the #2 if LAR beat the 9ers, going 13-4, & having the H/H tiebreaker over TB

Rams are the #3 if LAR lose to 9ers, Dallas beats Philly, TB loses to Carolina, and AZ loses to Seattle.
-B/c each of LAR, Dallas, and TB would be 12-5, and the conference record tiebreaker means Dallas (2 NFC losses) is #2, LAR (3 NFC losses) are #3, and TB (5 NFC losses) is #4.

Rams are the #4 if LAR lose to 9ers, TB wins (#2), Dallas wins (#3, conference tiebreaker over LAR), and AZ loses (#5)

Rams are the #5 if LAR lose to 9ers, AZ beats Seattle, making AZ the West champs b/c of the division record tiebreaker over LA.

If the Rams are the 2 seed, they’ll be playing Philly or NO (the 7th seed).
If the Rams are the 3 seed, they’ll be playing SF (the 6th seed).
If the Rams are the 4/5 seed, they’ll be playing Arizona.

WHAT ABOUT THE NINERS?
If the Niners get into the playoffs by beating the Rams (...and monkeys could fly out of my butt), we’ll be the 6th seed with edging out Philly with a better record or H/H tiebreaker. THAT means we’ll be playing the 3 seed, which is gonna be Dallas, TB, or Arizona.

I'll just be happy to get in the play-offs and should we make it, the team I'd rather not play first is the Rams. Why?

because it is hard to beat a team 3 times in the same season, two in a row at So-FI.

 

[deep9er]

Considering the HC openings coming and the slew of coaches about the hit the employment line, we should be looking hard at a new DC. Another defensive year like this one and he's sure to be gone...and he won't be alone imo (See below).

As for Lynch, that's why i said "a year early" since I expect Lynch to be fired after we miss the playoffs next year. That'll be a new GM that ensures Kyle understands that 1 playoff season in 6 years is unacceptable and 2023 will be playoffs or ese the new GM will be hiring his own head coach.

As for free agency and trade, no one is complaining about overpaying for FAs. That is the nature of FA. The complaints are made b/c the GM threw that big money at...the...wrong...players.

I'm not quite ready to get rid of Lynch nor DeMeco, but to me, if the argument is one play-off season in 6 is unacceptable, you might as well get rid of Shannahan too.

Didn't York extend both of them after 2019?

 

[Montalban]

I'll just be happy to get in the play-offs and should we make it, the team I'd rather not play first is the Rams. Why?

because it is hard to beat a team 3 times in the same season, two in a row at So-FI.

We did it in '89 to the Rams. Twice during the season and blew em out in the NFC Championship game

 

[deep9er]

https://www.************.com/articles/154422-its-beyond-time-give-49ers-defense-respect-deserve/

It is easy to blame the defense because we lost two games at the very end......Green Bay and Tennessee. We remember these clearly because it was down to the wire. But taking a step back, this defense played well overall.

If our offense could've just scored one more TD for all of our losses, we'd have already been in the play-offs. We'd have been more competitive and might even be playing the Rams for the West. So in the big picture, IMO the offense failed more this season than the defense.

 

[deep9er]

Jimmie Ward also out against the Rams.