Packers and Aaron Rodgers...Awww ISH

[Cincyfan78]

We got lucky on Monday. Just like Dalton had some bad bounces against the Bears he should've been turned over several times by the Steelers. I think Dalton is better than he was on Monday. He was clearly way too excited and does typically hit the passes that he missed. The issue is that like 80% of his passes are under 5 yards. Sooner rather than later defenses are going to key in on that. To take the next step he needs to throw the ball down the field. With our personnel on offense (which if awesome IMO...love the Gresham and Eifert combo) we should be a juggernaut...not a dink, dink and then dink some more offense.

I think some of that was to take what the steelers defense was giving them. No need to force it deep if they are shading AJ's way with safety help over top. Also, the quicker routes help to keep Dalton from pressure. If you noticed on numerous plays, the CB's were 6-9 yards off the WR's. If they are going to give you an easy completion for 5 yards...take it. Once the CB's move up and start consistently playing press coverage, then you can start to take your shots down field.

 

[jwil007]

I think some of that was to take what the steelers defense was giving them. No need to force it deep if they are shading AJ's way with safety help over top. Also, the quicker routes help to keep Dalton from pressure. If you noticed on numerous plays, the CB's were 6-9 yards off the WR's. If they are going to give you an easy completion for 5 yards...take it. Once the CB's move up and start consistently playing press coverage, then you can start to take your shots down field.

They called me to try out for corner....Im on way back to the Nati...LOL we need corners....

 

[Servo]

I think some of that was to take what the steelers defense was giving them. No need to force it deep if they are shading AJ's way with safety help over top. Also, the quicker routes help to keep Dalton from pressure. If you noticed on numerous plays, the CB's were 6-9 yards off the WR's. If they are going to give you an easy completion for 5 yards...take it. Once the CB's move up and start consistently playing press coverage, then you can start to take your shots down field.

That's true...but I do think the offense relies too heavily on quick passes despite how the defense is playing them. Not saying they need to run a deep post every play, but especially with Eifert I'd like to see more 15 yard patterns just to keep the defenses somewhat honest. The pass protection has been very good, let all the playmakers on offense get down the field a little bit. If they don't mix it up we'll see guys start to jump routes like Taylor did last game.

 

[NCBengal]

I agree, i'm just saying the game wasn't all bad and people who want to tear Dalton down can't see that. I had some bad throws that he just missed, especially early. I thought he settled down well in the 2nd half. Another thing is they threw entirely too many times. Dalton should hardly ever throw the ball that many times, especially when we aren't down and needing to come back.

I will agree with that last part of your statement about Dalton throwing too many times. Weren't we moving the ball about 4 yards a carry in the beginning? We were getting good production, I thought. I think I was even screaming for us to keep running it down their throats.

 

[Servo]

I think we can. We need to get Gio involved early and often in this game though, then use BJGE on short yardage downs to get the 1st. SF shredded them through the air, Green Eifert and Gresham need to have big games.

I think every game comes down to how Dalton plays. The other guys will make plays if he can get them the ball. Regardless of what the Bengals have done in the past, who ever is making the personell decisions has done an excellent job loading this offense with playmakers and a solid O-line. To me it all comes down to the trigger man.

 

[NCBengal]

Btw, they should sign Connor this week b/c GB's LBs are going to smoke those gaps on run plays and Peko cannot play ever freaking down.

 

[Servo]

I'd be for brining Conner back. Seems like either Whalen or Sanzenbacher could go to practice squad.

 

[CrashDavisSports]

We got lucky on Monday. Just like Dalton had some bad bounces against the Bears he should've been turned over several times by the Steelers. I think Dalton is better than he was on Monday. He was clearly way too excited and does typically hit the passes that he missed. The issue is that like 80% of his passes are under 5 yards. Sooner rather than later defenses are going to key in on that. To take the next step he needs to throw the ball down the field. With our personnel on offense (which if awesome IMO...love the Gresham and Eifert combo) we should be a juggernaut...not a dink, dink and then dink some more offense.

You take what the defense is giving you. If they are going to give you the 5 yard pass play every time, you freaking take it, and hope your guys can make some moves to get yards after catch. If they want to keep giving us short pass plays, we will continue to run 10-15 plays per drive and own T.O.P. If they want to start covering that hot mess, then they will have to start taking some help off the top with Green. Then Andy can take some shots down field a little bit.

Run the ball, get the ball to your two good TE's, take what the defense is giving you, be consistant on 3rd down (in a positive way), and own that clock. I think we lose, but I think it will be a lot closer than most think. Probably within a single score. But, we have the talent to beat the Packers, just have to come out and smack them in the mouth AFC North style.

Jungle crowd has to get really involved in the game and be a difference maker too, like the Seattle fanbase was on Sunday night.

 

[CrashDavisSports]

I'd be for brining Conner back. Seems like either Whalen or Sanzenbacher could go to practice squad.

If you bring Conner back, you have to reslease Alex Smith, and move Charles back to TE, and then have Conner.

Personally, that would not be a bad option.

Then with the IR move upcoming for Geathers, you bring Miles back in his place to help solidify that special teams.

 

[cincygrad]

If you bring Conner back, you have to reslease Alex Smith, and move Charles back to TE, and then have Conner.

Personally, that would not be a bad option.

Then with the IR move upcoming for Geathers, you bring Miles back in his place to help solidify that special teams.

Or alternatively you could just cut Orson Charles.

 

[CrashDavisSports]

Or alternatively you could just cut Orson Charles.

Why? He is young, a good receiving TE for the most part, now has some versatility at FB, which Gruden lined Eifert up at times in the game. So Charles is prepared to take over Eiferts position if injury occurs.

Alex Smith brings very little to the table. Cut his ass like we should have in training camp and be done with it.

 

[kramer1]

This is a 14 point loss. No need to even waste a second on it. We've already lost. Don't even bother yourselves. Don't think. Don't ponder. Don't peruse. This is a loss. They're better. Much, much, much better. It is what it is.

 

[packfancjh]

I think we can. We need to get Gio involved early and often in this game though, then use BJGE on short yardage downs to get the 1st. SF shredded them through the air, Green Eifert and Gresham need to have big games.

SF shredded us through the air because Capers was trying to contain Kaep and keep him from running wild while playing zone coverage to keep the db's eyes forward to help if Kaep broke contain. That will be the key to the game for you guys. If we play zone your te's will eat us alive. If we play man(which I think we will with Dalton) it will be tougher for you guys. Our run D is pretty stout this year(minus garbage time against WSH) so I think it will come down to how Dalton plays. Should be a fun game none the less.

 

[Servo]

This is a 14 point loss. No need to even waste a second on it. We've already lost. Don't even bother yourselves. Don't think. Don't ponder. Don't peruse. This is a loss. They're better. Much, much, much better. It is what it is.

Actually it's just their QB that's much, much better. Other than that if given the choice I'd take the Bengals roster over GB but yeah, Rodgers is the best QB in a QB rich league and our HC's mind numbingly bad game management is a definite liability.

 

[Servo]

You take what the defense is giving you. If they are going to give you the 5 yard pass play every time, you freaking take it, and hope your guys can make some moves to get yards after catch. If they want to keep giving us short pass plays, we will continue to run 10-15 plays per drive and own T.O.P. If they want to start covering that hot mess, then they will have to start taking some help off the top with Green. Then Andy can take some shots down field a little bit.

Run the ball, get the ball to your two good TE's, take what the defense is giving you, be consistant on 3rd down (in a positive way), and own that clock. I think we lose, but I think it will be a lot closer than most think. Probably within a single score. But, we have the talent to beat the Packers, just have to come out and smack them in the mouth AFC North style.

Jungle crowd has to get really involved in the game and be a difference maker too, like the Seattle fanbase was on Sunday night.

I'm good with taking what the defense gives you but it seems so many of the plays Dalton doesn't even have time to deduce what the defense is doing. It's a designed one read quick throw. My point is that if you keep going to the well an offense that is just stacked with playmakers will become stagnant and predictable. I think we saw that at the end of last year. So I get the whole WCO philosophy, but with our talent we need to stretch the field at least a little bit to keep defenses honest. That is the next step the offense needs to take.

 

[CrashDavisSports]

I'm good with taking what the defense gives you but it seems so many of the plays Dalton doesn't even have time to deduce what the defense is doing. It's a designed one read quick throw. My point is that if you keep going to the well an offense that is just stacked with playmakers will become stagnant and predictable. I think we saw that at the end of last year. So I get the whole WCO philosophy, but with our talent we need to stretch the field at least a little bit to keep defenses honest. That is the next step the offense needs to take.

At the end of last year? You mean before our awesome two TE sets? Before we had a true playmaker in the backfield in Bernard? You mean while Sanu was hurt most the time last year?

With a healthy offense, this offense is dynamic and very unpredictable out of the same exact sets each time. Hell they lined up the other night as someone else said in a 2 WR 3 TE set and then ran Sanu in motion, lined him up at tailback and ran the ball for 4 yards I think. You have no damn idea what theya re goign to do.

How about when they line up in a 2 TE set with a single back (Bernard) and the defense is thinking okay, run, and then as you are in your base run defense, Bernard goes in motion up the field to become the new flanker in the formation? They did that once or twice the other night. You have no idea what the hell you are going to get out of the offense with our TWO TE sets. There is nothing about this offense going to be predictable unless guys start getting hurt and the talent level drops off and the versatility. Which is why we have 4 TE's on our roster and no FB. Because we have been lining our TE's up as TE's, WR's, FB's. Using our tailback as a HB, WR, or using our WR's as WR's, and HB's.

How can you put the proper package on the field for that mess? On another team from a defensive stand point, our offense is a f'n nightmare.

 

[ckhokie]

At the end of last year? You mean before our awesome two TE sets? Before we had a true playmaker in the backfield in Bernard? You mean while Sanu was hurt most the time last year?

With a healthy offense, this offense is dynamic and very unpredictable out of the same exact sets each time. Hell they lined up the other night as someone else said in a 2 WR 3 TE set and then ran Sanu in motion, lined him up at tailback and ran the ball for 4 yards I think. You have no damn idea what theya re goign to do.

How about when they line up in a 2 TE set with a single back (Bernard) and the defense is thinking okay, run, and then as you are in your base run defense, Bernard goes in motion up the field to become the new flanker in the formation? They did that once or twice the other night. You have no idea what the hell you are going to get out of the offense with our TWO TE sets. There is nothing about this offense going to be predictable unless guys start getting hurt and the talent level drops off and the versatility. Which is why we have 4 TE's on our roster and no FB. Because we have been lining our TE's up as TE's, WR's, FB's. Using our tailback as a HB, WR, or using our WR's as WR's, and HB's.

How can you put the proper package on the field for that mess? On another team from a defensive stand point, our offense is a f'n nightmare.

***as long as the quarterback can successfully distribute the ball.

 

[CrashDavisSports]

***as long as the quarterback can successfully distribute the ball.

Sure, that is a given. Thank God we have a pretty decent QB.

 

[cincygrad]

Why? He is young, a good receiving TE for the most part, now has some versatility at FB, which Gruden lined Eifert up at times in the game. So Charles is prepared to take over Eiferts position if injury occurs.

Alex Smith brings very little to the table. Cut his ass like we should have in training camp and be done with it.

Clearly the coaches don't agree with you. Why would they have Smith active on Monday when they could have had a better tight end (Charles), that can also play fullback? Reason -- Charles isn't a better tight end.

 

[Servo]

At the end of last year? You mean before our awesome two TE sets? Before we had a true playmaker in the backfield in Bernard? You mean while Sanu was hurt most the time last year?

With a healthy offense, this offense is dynamic and very unpredictable out of the same exact sets each time. Hell they lined up the other night as someone else said in a 2 WR 3 TE set and then ran Sanu in motion, lined him up at tailback and ran the ball for 4 yards I think. You have no damn idea what theya re goign to do.

How about when they line up in a 2 TE set with a single back (Bernard) and the defense is thinking okay, run, and then as you are in your base run defense, Bernard goes in motion up the field to become the new flanker in the formation? They did that once or twice the other night. You have no idea what the hell you are going to get out of the offense with our TWO TE sets. There is nothing about this offense going to be predictable unless guys start getting hurt and the talent level drops off and the versatility. Which is why we have 4 TE's on our roster and no FB. Because we have been lining our TE's up as TE's, WR's, FB's. Using our tailback as a HB, WR, or using our WR's as WR's, and HB's.

How can you put the proper package on the field for that mess? On another team from a defensive stand point, our offense is a f'n nightmare.

My point is that the personnel is awesome. I think Dalton's limitations as a down the field thrower may make the offense predictable. That's his comfort zone and that seems to be where Gruden is the most comfortable with him. Quick, easy passes...usually one read. For the offense to become what we all know it can be, Dalton needs to throw the ball down the field. No matter what formation you run out there, if you're throwing under 5 yards 3/4 of the time the defense will key it and likely shut you down. So that's the step I want to see Dalton take. I think that's the step we all want to see him take.

At the end of last year it wasn't like the cupboard was barren. We still had a very good O-line (arguably the best bookend combo in the league) and an all world HOF caliber WR, a talented but erratic TE. Not the greatest show on turf but not bad either. We had plenty to work with...but the OC and QB couldn't get it done.