OT: Zimmerman Not Guilty

[TobyTyler]

Cool it already, guys, you're going to have a heart attack over this.

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Just have a cold beer, sit back, relax and enjoy this:

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Who is that awesome bitch in the photo?

 

[Kinzu]

Some people can't resist blaming Obama for anything they can conceivably tie him to. This one seems particularly desperate.

For me, I never even knew what Obama said about the guy. I just looked at the case and came to my own conclusion. Probably most other people did the same. Democrats aren't lemmings or robots or whatever else you'd like to pretend, they don't get their opinions from the president any more than you let Bush tell you what to think.

The same could be said about everyone blaming George Bush for things he had no control over. A lot of people still blame him for the economy despite the fact the housing market collapsed due to a bill put into place during the Clinton administration. A bill they tried to make changes to during Bush's term, but the congress was under Democratic control and would not allow the changes. When the housing market collapsed and destroyed the economy though they had no problems putting all the blame on President Bush.

Getting blamed for everything that happens on your watch is part of the job it seems, and it's only been made worst with how fast news travels now with the internet.

 

[Stratman72]

2nd amendment...

every single mass murder in the last 50 years with the exception of 1 where more than 3 people were killed happened in "gun free" zones...

Criminals don't obey laws... gun control will do nothing. And if somehow they could outlaw guns and take them all away, illegal demand would go up.. resulting in an increase of prices... meaning now we have a new illegal import.... so criminals will always have them. Gun control laws are ridiculous...

I agree!! Think of it this way... If you are a criminal and you want to rob a store or snatch an old ladies purse...Are you going to be as aggressive towards them knowing they could possibly have a gun and bust a cap in your ass(I know I would think twice about it)!!!

Disarm the law abiding citizens and let the criminals do what they do. Sounds like a bad deal to me!

 

[erckm510]

The same could be said about everyone blaming George Bush for things he had no control over. A lot of people still blame him for the economy despite the fact the housing market collapsed due to a bill put into place during the Clinton administration. A bill they tried to make changes to during Bush's term, but the congress was under Democratic control and would not allow the changes. When the housing market collapsed and destroyed the economy though they had no problems putting all the blame on President Bush.

Getting blamed for everything that happens on your watch is part of the job it seems, and it's only been made worst with how fast news travels now with the internet.

So you really think the "bill"(that you don't name) was the only cause for the housing bubble to burst? It wasn't the banks or the stupid people who got loans they couldn't afford? Ugh please end this thread.

 

[erckm510]

I agree!! Think of it this way... If you are a criminal and you want to rob a store or snatch an old ladies purse...Are you going to be as aggressive towards them knowing they could possibly have a gun and bust a cap in your ass(I know I would think twice about it)!!!

Disarm the law abiding citizens and let the criminals do what they do. Sounds like a bad deal to me!

Look I get that it's hard to read back but this was already discussed. Like exactly this scenario. Little late to the party. Here I'll end this now.

You say "2nd amendment and gun control doesn't work"
We say "gun control works in other countries so why not give it a chance in America"
You say "2nd amendment and gun control doesn't work"

The end

 

[Sharkinva]

In this case, yes it is ridiculous that they are trying to go that route. From what I remember, those civil rights laws were written because the racist local cops and DAs wouldn't bring charges up against a white guy accused of killing minorities. Obviously that doesn't apply here since the local cops and DA took him to trial.

Actually the local cops and local DA refused to charge him. The state had to appoint a special prosecutor who then brought charges against him. I live just up the road from Sanford Fl, and the whole thing was a mess from jump. the local police bungled the case, the local DA boght his self defense claim. And the jury fell for it hook line and sinker. Stand your ground in this instance has done nothing but tell people its fine to pick a fight as ling as you have a loaded gun with you. If you start to lose the fight you picked, just shoot the guy and claim self defense.

 

[Kinzu]

So you really think the "bill"(that you don't name) was the only cause for the housing bubble to burst? It wasn't the banks or the stupid people who got loans they couldn't afford? Ugh please end this thread.

Community Reinvestment Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

This is the bill I was talking about. They basically loosened the lending laws on it during Clinton's term to encourage lending to those that would normally not qualify for loans. This encouraged banks to give out loans they should not have been giving out. The affect this had on the economy is up for debate, but I don't see how it helped anything.

 

[erckm510]

Community Reinvestment Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

This is the bill I was talking about. They basically loosened the lending laws on it during Clinton's term to encourage lending to those that would normally not qualify for loans. This encouraged banks to give out loans they should not have been giving out. The affect this had on the economy is up for debate, but I don't see how it helped anything.

The CRA is a law not a bill. Created in 1977. So it's been around for awhile. Clinton did indeed encourage loans be given out to people who normally didn't qualify. However, the government didn't require those loans be given out. The banks were the ones to give out the shitty loans to the people that couldn't afford them. The banks showed no self control, tried to line their pockets, everyone got screwed, they paid some fines that they can make back in a month and no on goes to jail.

Out of curiosity you mention that Bush Jr was going to amend the CRA but was blocked by Congress. What specifically could he have done to the CRA that would have prevented the housing bust?

 

[tallglassofwater007]

Who is that awesome bitch in the photo?

Salma Hyek. Watch the movie Desperado.... you're welcome.

 

[Kinzu]

The CRA is a law not a bill. Created in 1977. So it's been around for awhile. Clinton did indeed encourage loans be given out to people who normally didn't qualify. However, the government didn't require those loans be given out. The banks were the ones to give out the shitty loans to the people that couldn't afford them. The banks showed no self control, tried to line their pockets, everyone got screwed, they paid some fines that they can make back in a month and no on goes to jail.

Out of curiosity you mention that Bush Jr was going to amend the CRA but was blocked by Congress. What specifically could he have done to the CRA that would have prevented the housing bust?

They would have put restrictions back on it like it had before the 94-95 changes. Would this have helped change the eventually foreclosure crisis? Probably not as the damage was some what already done, but it might have prevented some of it.

Is it the fault of the bill the economy collapsed? No, but you could say it encouraged the bad loans. Anyway the point was the media blames the former president for the economy collapse as if he had anything to do with the banks putting the country in this situation. The same way people will blame Obama for something like Zimmerman.

 

[threelittleturds]

Was there a verified source that proves that? We know he was moving in the direction where he saw him take off, but was he actually running in that direction?

The recording of his call to the non-emergency police line.

Listen to it. Zimmerman says, "shit he is running" then you can hear the universal dings from a car when you open the door with your keys in the ignition and then you can hear the door close. Then suddenly you hear wind rushing past the microphone and zimmerman is more strained in his responses like anyone would be while they are running/jogging. lastly, when zimmerman is too slow and loses him, but still distracted as he searches but asked where he lives he answers, and then says, "oh crap, i don't want to give it out, i don't know where this kid is"

 

[RoboticDreams]

Look I get that it's hard to read back but this was already discussed. Like exactly this scenario. Little late to the party. Here I'll end this now.

You say "2nd amendment and gun control doesn't work"
We say "gun control works in other countries so why not give it a chance in America"
You say "2nd amendment and gun control doesn't work"

The end

When you say "gun control works in other countries", what exactly does "work" mean, in your opinion?

 

[MHSL82]

... the housing market collapsed due to a bill put into place during the Clinton administration. A bill they tried to make changes to during Bush's term...

So you really think the "bill"(that you don't name) was the only cause...

Community Reinvestment Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

This is the bill I was talking about...

The CRA is a law not a bill. Created in 1977. So it's been around for awhile.

Is it the fault of the bill the economy collapsed?...

 

[MHSL82]

Just kidding everyone, not making fun of anyone for their use of the word "bill" and not "law."

 

[threelittleturds]

Martin didn't run away from Zimmerman he ran past him while Zimmerman was parked at the club house and if you listened to the tape like you're telling me to you would have know that. Plus Zimmermna never ran after Martin when he got out of his car, after he lost track of him and walked where he last saw him.

Now if you can't contribute anything to the conversation without crying and cursing leave.

 

[MHSL82]

Martin didn't run away from Zimmerman he ran past him while Zimmerman was parked at the club house and if you listened to the tape like you're telling me to you would have know that. Plus Zimmermna never ran after Martin when he got out of his car, after he lost track of him and walked where he last saw him.

Now if you can't contribute anything to the conversation without crying and cursing leave.

So, he walked, not ran. Ok, that's good to know. Because if he was going to where he last saw him, that is going after him. But it's good to know he was walking, I'm sure the lifeguards will appreciate him not running when he goes to the pool. Just kidding. Maybe somewhere in this long thread whether he was walking or running has come into question - everything else has.

 

[erckm510]

Just kidding everyone, not making fun of anyone for their use of the word "bill" and not "law."

I miss Saturday morning cartoons and sugary cereal. Such a simpler time.

 

[NinerSickness]

Eric Holder is now calling for a repeal of stand-your-ground laws. Stand-your-ground wasn't even cited in this case. He was acquitted on the grounds of self-defense. Stand-your-ground is a yet another red herring.

This is like how they used the recent shootings to try to justify passing laws that they admit wouldn't have prevented the shootings.

Nothing that comes out of these people's mouths makes the least bit of sense.

 

[threelittleturds]

Eric Holder is now calling for a repeal of stand-your-ground laws. Stand-your-ground wasn't even cited in this case. He was acquitted on the grounds of self-defense. Stand-your-ground is a yet another red herring.

This is like how they used the recent shootings to try to justify passing laws that they admit wouldn't have prevented the shootings.

Nothing that comes out of these people's mouths makes the least bit of sense.

What are you talking about man? Stand your ground is legal justification for lethal force when self-defense is raised out of fear of death or serious bodily harm. And the Florida "Stand your ground" law has been the centerpiece of this entire trial... it even plays a major factor in the upcoming civil suit against Zimmerman.

 

[NinerSickness]

What are you talking about man? Stand your ground is legal justification for lethal force when self-defense is raised out of fear of death or serious bodily harm. And the Florida "Stand your ground" law has been the centerpiece of this entire trial... it even plays a major factor in the upcoming civil suit against Zimmerman.

The defense didn't even cite that law. Stand-your-ground is law in 30 or so states. It's legal to kill someone in self-defense in all 50 states.

Stand your ground prevents a prosecutor from asking something like "Why didn't you run in your bedroom and lock the door instead of shooting the guy who broke into your house?" and using that as a legal basis to charge you with a crime. In other words, you're not legally required to flee if it's possible to flee. You can also shoot a guy who breaks into your house & retreats from you. If he's dead in the living room with a bullet in his back, you won't be charged with a crime for shooting a guy who was trying to flee.

Zimmerman's acquittal was 100% based on the self-defense law not the stand-your-ground law. You can't flee if a guy is straddling you & pummeling you in the face.