OT - I'm bored, Part Pangos & Bell!

[Cobiemonster]

lol yeah, like Stephen Strasburg is really going to get traded

 

[Cobiemonster]

Holy crap

 

[Winged_Wheel88]

We offered him the heavens and he declined. Bet the number of $$$ will be staggering.

Sad to see him go.

 

[pixburgher66]

We offered him the heavens and he declined. Bet the number of $$$ will be staggering.

Sad to see him go.

Rumors are it's over $200M. Man. The Nats really have to trade one of their starters now...otherwise this was sort of an unneeded luxury. If it's done to open a trade and get a good return, then it's a great move. Still...$200M.

 

[pixburgher66]

$210M/7 years.

However, it's going to be paid over 14 years (how is that allowed??).

That's a large amount of money for a 30 year old.

 

[evolver115]

$210M/7 years.

However, it's going to be paid over 14 years (how is that allowed??).

That's a large amount of money for a 30 year old.

What a joke

 

[pixburgher66]

Gadowsky: Students chose to wore Paterno decals - Audio - TSN

Holy crap did they drop BOMBS on the PSU hockey coach.

 

[elocomotive]

Woot!! Best rotation in the Bigs bar none!

I have a feeling Rizzl isn't done yet. Good signing though because I don't think we will keep Zim, Stras, and Fister in the long run and I don't think Gio will continue to be what he once was.

 

[Darkstone42]

Woot!! Best rotation in the Bigs bar none!

I have a feeling Rizzl isn't done yet. Good signing though because I don't think we will keep Zim, Stras, and Fister in the long run and I don't think Gio will continue to be what he once was.

There's a chance they move Strasburg, actually, and then try to sign Zimmermann long-term. I guess there's some friction between Strasburg and the front office still because of the shut-down.

Also, trading Strasburg will return astronomical value. You could fill your second base hole, add to your bench depth, and restock the farm system all at once, and still have a top two (and maybe still the best) NL rotation.

 

[Darkstone42]

Also, I learned this weekend that field hockey is a terrifying sport. That ball is hard, and it gets moving sometimes. And with no head protection, the heads that sail high, man, dangerous stuff.

I'm terrible at it, though. Except for goaltending, but that translates reasonably well from street hockey and soccer, both of which I almost exclusively am a goalie. I was wearing someone else's pads, though, and they didn't fit quite right, and so I ended up taking a shot just above my kneecap, and it still hurts.

I'm pleased to report, though, that my extremely unconventional butterfly style made me about a middle-of-the-road goalie at the tournament, despite it being my first time playing. My biggest problem was not being allowed to smother the ball, because my stick skills are crap, and I usually fanned on any attempts to clear the ball away.

Pretty fun, though, even though I was terrible at it. Some impressive skill here and there, too.

 

[Cobiemonster]

There's a chance they move Strasburg, actually, and then try to sign Zimmermann long-term. I guess there's some friction between Strasburg and the front office still because of the shut-down.

Also, trading Strasburg will return astronomical value. You could fill your second base hole, add to your bench depth, and restock the farm system all at once, and still have a top two (and maybe still the best) NL rotation.

imo, I think it's a bad idea moving Strasburg - Nats fans will revolt big time - but that's just me

 

[Darkstone42]

imo, I think it's a bad idea moving Strasburg - Nats fans will revolt big time - but that's just me

It depends on the return, but they have to move someone, and they can afford to take a hit in the rotation if it fills another hole and fortifies the farm system. Sure, the fans will be a bit upset, but the team also just gave a lot of money to a true ace, and the staff is so deep with #3's or better (actually, a lot of #1's and #2's) even without Strasburg that strengthening the infield and bullpen, as well as restocking the farm to account for the inevitable loss of two pitchers one way or the other. They're going to lose two of Fister, Strasburg, and Zimmermann, and Stras will bring the biggest return, and has the lowest probability of signing long-term with the team, so it might make the most sense to move him.

 

[elocomotive]

There's a chance they move Strasburg, actually, and then try to sign Zimmermann long-term. I guess there's some friction between Strasburg and the front office still because of the shut-down.

Also, trading Strasburg will return astronomical value. You could fill your second base hole, add to your bench depth, and restock the farm system all at once, and still have a top two (and maybe still the best) NL rotation.

imo, I think it's a bad idea moving Strasburg - Nats fans will revolt big time - but that's just me

A few notes on the situation...

(1) Jordan Zimmerman is the better pitcher on the team. Stras has the better stuff when he's at 100%, but he gets frazzled at times. J-Zim is a rock. Solid outings and innings every start. He's the true ace of the staff and his ERA, record, WHIP show it.

(2) I'm not saying I think they'll move him this offseason. Strasburg is signed until the end of 2016. I think if they move him it will be next year. That's when Fister and Zimmerman have their contracts up (at the end of the comign season and they'll have to make some choices for the rotation going forward. I would guess they'll use those big four this season - Stras, Zim, Fister, and Scherzer. But I think Gio and Roark are both solid pitchers (Roark would have been a rock star on a lesser team, 2.85 ERA, averaged over 6 innings per outing and a WHIP of 1.09 in his rookie year) with trade value. Or perhaps you are right D'stone and they move one of the four bigs and they upgrade at 2nd base or bullpen or both. I can't see Zimmerman going anywhere though.

(3) To Cobie's point on the fans, the arrival of Strasburg was HUGE. It jumped the team from also ran to contender, but he's not exactly a fan favorite at this point. He's been WAY overshadowed by Harper who has a high ceiling like Strasburg, but a personality to go along with it. So with the staff we have, I don't think anyone would get upset if one or another wasn't there. Frankly we have six excellent starters and whoever are 5th is would be 2nd or 3rd on most teams.


Did they pay too much for Scherzer? I don't know, but who cares - its baseball, not hockey or football. And the last guy everyone said we spent too much on (Werth) has worked out REALLY well.

 

[Darkstone42]

A few notes on the situation...

(1) Jordan Zimmerman is the better pitcher on the team. Stras has the better stuff when he's at 100%, but he gets frazzled at times. J-Zim is a rock. Solid outings and innings every start. He's the true ace of the staff and his ERA, record, WHIP show it.

(2) I'm not saying I think they'll move him this offseason. Strasburg is signed until the end of 2016. I think if they move him it will be next year. That's when Fister and Zimmerman have their contracts up (at the end of the comign season and they'll have to make some choices for the rotation going forward. I would guess they'll use those big four this season - Stras, Zim, Fister, and Scherzer. But I think Gio and Roark are both solid pitchers (Roark would have been a rock star on a lesser team, 2.85 ERA, averaged over 6 innings per outing and a WHIP of 1.09 in his rookie year) with trade value. Or perhaps you are right D'stone and they move one of the four bigs and they upgrade at 2nd base or bullpen or both. I can't see Zimmerman going anywhere though.

(3) To Cobie's point on the fans, the arrival of Strasburg was HUGE. It jumped the team from also ran to contender, but he's not exactly a fan favorite at this point. He's been WAY overshadowed by Harper who has a high ceiling like Strasburg, but a personality to go along with it. So with the staff we have, I don't think anyone would get upset if one or another wasn't there. Frankly we have six excellent starters and whoever are 5th is would be 2nd or 3rd on most teams.


Did they pay too much for Scherzer? I don't know, but who cares - its baseball, not hockey or football. And the last guy everyone said we spent too much on (Werth) has worked out REALLY well.

The structure of the Scherzer deal makes its value much better than the actual dollars, so I don't think you paid too much for him, even if he's not great at the end of the contract.

I guess the big decision for the Nationals is which of their two young aces to trade, and while Zimmermann's been a little better than Strasburg, both are still aces. I think Strasburg will bring back a lot more in a trade than Zimmermann, especially if they deal him this winter, because of the dollars tied to him, and if that's where the Nationals' priorities lie (which they would for me, since they should get paid comparably in three years and on), then Stras will be the one moved.

I think they could get an average or better Major League second baseman, a solid bullpen arm, two top-ten team prospects from a team with a better than average farm system, and one more lower-minors high-ceiling prospect for Strasburg. That would be a really good deal, too, both in the short term and the long term.

If I were the Pirates, and I trust Kang to be an average Major Leaguer, I would deal Walker, Kingham, Ramirez, and Keller for him, which is an above average Major League second baseman, a probable innings-eating number three pitching prospect who has yet to debut, and two more top-ten prospects in a top-three farm system. That's a lot of value, and I actually think the Nationals could do even better than that if they shop around.

 

[Nasty_Magician]

And here I was thinking maybe the Mets could have the best rotation in the NL East. Braves and Phillies are in rebuild mode, Mets and Marlins are not quite there, Washington needs to go all in and go for it now. Much like the Mets I expect them to move a starter to fill holes in their lineup during the year. Or maybe somebody goes down and you're thankful you have all those guys.

 

[Cobiemonster]

A few notes on the situation...

(1) Jordan Zimmerman is the better pitcher on the team. Stras has the better stuff when he's at 100%, but he gets frazzled at times. J-Zim is a rock. Solid outings and innings every start. He's the true ace of the staff and his ERA, record, WHIP show it.

(2) I'm not saying I think they'll move him this offseason. Strasburg is signed until the end of 2016. I think if they move him it will be next year. That's when Fister and Zimmerman have their contracts up (at the end of the comign season and they'll have to make some choices for the rotation going forward. I would guess they'll use those big four this season - Stras, Zim, Fister, and Scherzer. But I think Gio and Roark are both solid pitchers (Roark would have been a rock star on a lesser team, 2.85 ERA, averaged over 6 innings per outing and a WHIP of 1.09 in his rookie year) with trade value. Or perhaps you are right D'stone and they move one of the four bigs and they upgrade at 2nd base or bullpen or both. I can't see Zimmerman going anywhere though.

(3) To Cobie's point on the fans, the arrival of Strasburg was HUGE. It jumped the team from also ran to contender, but he's not exactly a fan favorite at this point. He's been WAY overshadowed by Harper who has a high ceiling like Strasburg, but a personality to go along with it. So with the staff we have, I don't think anyone would get upset if one or another wasn't there. Frankly we have six excellent starters and whoever are 5th is would be 2nd or 3rd on most teams.


Did they pay too much for Scherzer? I don't know, but who cares - its baseball, not hockey or football. And the last guy everyone said we spent too much on (Werth) has worked out REALLY well.

Look eloco, I ain't disagreeing one darn bit - I love J-Zim, I do think he's the best starter on that team - he just pitches great in big games and like you said, doesn't get frustrated and sidetracked by little things - that being said, I do think Strasburg has grown a little bit over the last year or so, he doesn't seem to get frustrated as often as he did earlier in his career, my point is that I think you win with guys like him at the end of the day and if you're moving him, you better fill every other damn hole your team has or you're not doing it right - I think Nats fans need to appreciate Stras for who he is, there's not many pitchers like him in the league, regardless of all the other stuff - Bryce is very talented but I think Nats fans get caught in the hype and love him because of his "rock star" status - Stras might not be that huge personality like Bryce but that doesn't mean he should be overshadowed as far as his importance is to this team - I slowly think he's becoming a rock like J-Zim, it just takes a little more time because Stras is finally starting to settle in

 

[Cobiemonster]

And here I was thinking maybe the Mets could have the best rotation in the NL East. Braves and Phillies are in rebuild mode, Mets and Marlins are not quite there, Washington needs to go all in and go for it now. Much like the Mets I expect them to move a starter to fill holes in their lineup during the year. Or maybe somebody goes down and you're thankful you have all those guys.

I think the Marlins are there - they made some really nice moves in the offseason and I love what they got going there - before Giancarlo got hurt late in the season they were close, I doubt they were going to make it anyway but they were close before he got hurt

Their rotation is very, very strong and the lineup is getting better too - I'd watch out for them

 

[Nasty_Magician]

I think the Marlins are there - they made some really nice moves in the offseason and I love what they got going there - before Giancarlo got hurt late in the season they were close, I doubt they were going to make it anyway but they were close before he got hurt

Their rotation is very, very strong and the lineup is getting better too - I'd watch out for them

I debated whether or not to put the Marlins in the contender category but decided to wait and see before I go ahead and say they are a threat for the playoffs. They will certainly be competitive.

 

[Cobiemonster]

I debated whether or not to put the Marlins in the contender category but decided to wait and see before I go ahead and say they are a threat for the playoffs. They will certainly be competitive.

A healthy Jose Fernandez will really help, remember, they were playing real well for a while there without him, imagine what they could be WITH him?

 

[pixburgher66]

If you gave me a choice between Strasburg and Zimmermann, I'd choose Zimmermann. That's for a few different reasons beyond pure ability though. Honestly, I'll take any of the Nats' starters if they're on the market. From a Pirates fan perspective that takes them from contender to one of the favorites. And yes, that's how I'd feel about getting any of their starters...well, except maybe Gio. I'd still be pumped though, he's an upgrade over our 4/5 situation.