Ongoing NHL Thread Part IV - A New Hope

[Bloody Brian Burke]

Negotiating ploy? Would suck to lose him for nothing. At the same time I don't know where he fits on the Devils. Nico, Hughes, Zajac top 3 with McLeod and Boqvist battling for the last center spot. Not sure he has a leg to stand on if he's looking for a big payday.

Wow. There are no NHL out clauses in the K so he's committed.

NJ would look a lot better with Rantanen, Provy or Werenski on that roster.

 

[Bloody Brian Burke]

Speaking of Werenski...

 

[Nasty_Magician]

Absolute steal for Werenski. And yes, that 2015 draft was loaded.

 

[gob]

Wow. There are no NHL out clauses in the K so he's committed.

NJ would look a lot better with Rantanen, Provy or Werenski on that roster.

 

[Bloody Brian Burke]

Absolute steal for Werenski. And yes, that 2015 draft was loaded.

This deal is exactly why an offer sheet (a real one, not that bullshit Bergevin tried) won't ever come. $6.3 to $8.4 mil and your 1st, 2nd and 3rd rounders get you a 1D and definitely makes the team think about it and nobody bothers.

 

[forty_three]

Absolute steal for Werenski. And yes, that 2015 draft was loaded.

I think the Jackets were ready to trade 8, and once NJ took Zacha and they realized they'd get either Werenski or Provorov that all went out the door. I think they were expecting Zacha to be the piece there at 8.

 

[DragonfromTO]

Absolute steal for Werenski. And yes, that 2015 draft was loaded.

I mean is it though? Or is it just around what an RFA is "supposed to" get on a bridge deal?

(and yes, I get that this can be seen as a steal anyway )

 

[forty_three]

I mean is it though? Or is it just around what an RFA is "supposed to" get on a bridge deal?

(and yes, I get that this can be seen as a steal anyway )

Jones and Werenski for 3 years @10.5 combined.

Or 1.5m more than Subban makes alone.

The low dollars is the "steal" part. I would have preferred to skip the whole bridge mess and get him long term. But oh well. By the time him and Jones come looking for their next deals we'll have lost Dubisnky, Jenner, Nash and Foligno and Tyutin and Hartnell's buyouts. That's 20.5m there by then.

 

[DragonfromTO]

Jones and Werenski for 3 years @10.5 combined.

Or 1.5m more than Subban makes alone.

The low dollars is the "steal" part. I would have preferred to skip the whole bridge mess and get him long term. But oh well. By the time him and Jones come looking for their next deals we'll have lost Dubisnky, Jenner, Nash and Foligno and Tyutin and Hartnell's buyouts. That's 20.5m there by then.

Right but Subban did not sign his current contract as a bridge deal for an RFA so I don't see that as a good comp. But the bridge deal that Subban signed when he was in Werenski's situation was for much less (although Werenski does have more on his resume).

Yes, as I implied above in "the big picture" this is a good deal. But all RFA deals are supposed to look cheap in the big picture, no? Otherwise what's the point/difference?

 

[Nasty_Magician]

 

[Bloody Brian Burke]

By the time him and Jones come looking for their next deals we'll have lost Dubisnky, Jenner, Nash and Foligno and Tyutin and Hartnell's buyouts. That's 20.5m there by then.

Of course you would hope they add pieces between now and then and that will definitely make it more difficult.

Which is the problem with bridge deals, they're great today but given the cap space Columbus has and the unlikelihood at the moment of adding anything significant in the next few months maybe it was a good idea to just give Werenski the long-term contract and not wind up having to give him a modern Subban deal in 3 years (or worse, like Dragon said in the Leaf thread, use that last year money for the arb year and then walk as a UFA).

 

[Bloody Brian Burke]

 

[KennyBanyeah]

Of course you would hope they add pieces between now and then and that will definitely make it more difficult.

Which is the problem with bridge deals, they're great today but given the cap space Columbus has and the unlikelihood at the moment of adding anything significant in the next few months maybe it was a good idea to just give Werenski the long-term contract and not wind up having to give him a modern Subban deal in 3 years (or worse, like Dragon said in the Leaf thread, use that last year money for the arb year and then walk as a UFA).

My understanding of it is that it's not used for arbitration but his 3rd year salary is the benchmark for his qualifying offer, which is much worse, IMO. So if the Jackets want to retain Zach's rights beyond this contract they have to offer him at least $7.35M for one year. Which will take him to UFA. Might make for a tough decision.

 

[forty_three]

Of course you would hope they add pieces between now and then and that will definitely make it more difficult.

Which is the problem with bridge deals, they're great today but given the cap space Columbus has and the unlikelihood at the moment of adding anything significant in the next few months maybe it was a good idea to just give Werenski the long-term contract and not wind up having to give him a modern Subban deal in 3 years (or worse, like Dragon said in the Leaf thread, use that last year money for the arb year and then walk as a UFA).

That's all well and good, but this is Werenski's camp winning the negotiation. He wanted 3 all along and were looking like 3x7 was the ask on the bridge (they wanted that last year at 7 to make the QO that much higher at the end). So they agreed at 4/4/7. Jackets save a bit of cash, and Zach is set up for the next CBA situation, likely much higher caps and will be playing alongside a Norris caliber partner who will also be playing for a contract in 3 years.

Just need those caps to keep going up.

 

[dash]

Just need those caps to keep going up.

Or kill the cap outright.

 

[Nasty_Magician]

Continued...

 

[tducey]

I expected Faulk to get traded, just not sure it'd be to Anaheim, wonder what the return will be.

 

[Bloody Brian Burke]

My understanding of it is that it's not used for arbitration but his 3rd year salary is the benchmark for his qualifying offer, which is much worse, IMO. So if the Jackets want to retain Zach's rights beyond this contract they have to offer him at least $7.35M for one year. Which will take him to UFA. Might make for a tough decision.

They go hand-in-hand though, no? Most QO's are going to be the starting point for an arb hearing so it's almost guaranteed to be even higher unless Werenski goes off a cliff.

 

[Bloody Brian Burke]

Continued...

Wow, great battle of "Who Has Worse Drivers?" - Brampton vs. Russia

 

[dash]

Wow, great battle of "Who Has Worse Drivers?" - Brampton vs. Russia

I've never been to either, but dash cam footage I have seen makes me lean towards Russia