Official Broncos News/Rumors Thread

[Mingo]

Yes sir!

So - you're saying - Cushenberry - who some national and local pundits called "the steal of the draft" was the fallback pick at Center after Hennessy?

 

[Draft Crazy]

So - you're saying - Cushenberry - who some national and local pundits called "the steal of the draft" was the fallback pick at Center after Hennessy?

That’s the word.

 

[SpringStein]

I’m perfectly fine how it worked out.

 

[Draft Crazy]

@Mingo
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[Draft Crazy]

I am personally happier with Cushenberry as I had him rated a little higher. Hennessey seemed to be one of the highest risers during this years draft process. I was also way more familiar with Cushenberry seeing a lot of him over the past few years. Temple is not a team I got a glimpse of very often. Did watch them against Maryland this year. Hennessey was also a guy I never really got a lot of film on. I do know that grade wise, he was the highest graded center based on on this past year nationally. (1 year, not graded based upon overall college career)

I would have been fine with either.. Cushenberry I am a lot more familiar with so a little more exciting to me.

 

[CEH]

I snuck this tidbit in the recap of day 2 but was confused about OJ. so this tells me OJ had suitors around pick 79 if Denver’s Intel was correct .

CBs normally trumps C anyways.

good to know.

 

[Mingo]

I am personally happier with Cushenberry as I had him rated a little higher. Hennessey seemed to be one of the highest risers during this years draft process. I was also way more familiar with Cushenberry seeing a lot of him over the past few years. Temple is not a team I got a glimpse of very often. Did watch them against Maryland this year. Hennessey was also a guy I never really got a lot of film on. I do know that grade wise, he was the highest graded center based on on this past year nationally. (1 year, not graded based upon overall college career)

I would have been fine with either.. Cushenberry I am a lot more familiar with so a little more exciting to me.

I had read the story was just playing with you. It just seems so odd.

I'm starting to see Fangio like Bill Parcells used to be - a master manipulator and not in a negative sense. They just have an ability to fire guys up psychologically - not everyone is motivated to beat the Chiefs because they are the Bronco's rivals since 1960. So this was leaked to become a news item. What's the benefit of the leak? Cushenberry is likely motivated to prove the Broncos wrong about Hennessey being a better center. Also, if Cushenberry pays close attention he will know that he should work on his lateral movement while at home.

 

[Draft Crazy]

I snuck this tidbit in the recap of day 2 but was confused about OJ. so this tells me OJ had suitors around pick 79 if Denver’s Intel was correct .

CBs normally trumps C anyways.

good to know.

Yeah that is the thing. I see fans complaining about why didn't we use our 3rd, 3rd round pick to draft OJ... Like he was a sure bet to be there or something? Obviously OJ was high rated around the NFL draft world then draft websites which is what most fans base their knowledge off of. I saw a guy write how the Broncos took OJ too early that they could have drafted him in Round 4 or 5... LOL- WHAT????

Teams know when players have moved up and about where they are going to have to take him to not lose him before their next pick. It was like years back when the Raiders took Mike Mitchell in Round 2. Everyone was in an uproar because Mike Mitchell wasn't in many websites top 40 S rankings... They thought they took an undrafted S in Round 2... The Bears were taking Mitchell at the end of Rd 2 if he was there that year.

 

[CEH]

Klis

Here’s the deal on a cornerback: The Broncos liked Michael Ojemudia better than all the second-round corners as projected by the mocksters. The Broncos also knew they liked Ojemudia better than other teams, so they picked up Hamler in the second round and waited until their first of three third-round picks, No. 77 overall, to get the Hawkeye corner.

 

[Draft Crazy]

I had read the story was just playing with you. It just seems so odd.

I'm starting to see Fangio like Bill Parcells used to be - a master manipulator and not in a negative sense. They just have an ability to fire guys up psychologically - not everyone is motivated to beat the Chiefs because they are the Bronco's rivals since 1960. So this was leaked to become a news item. What's the benefit of the leak? Cushenberry is likely motivated to prove the Broncos wrong about Hennessey being a better center. Also, if Cushenberry pays close attention he will know that he should work on his lateral movement while at home.

To my knowledge the Jets leaked the information.

Cushenberry shouldn't take it personal. If anything maybe a little motivation for him, but remember... This was Round 3. Denver still liked him enough to use a Round 3 pick on him. Denver graded Cushenberry well enough to spend that pick on him. Had they not liked him well enough they wouldn't have just moved to their next C on the board... They had a very similar grade to Cushenberry then they did Hennessey. It's like Tyrie Cleveland shouldn't be mad because Denver had a higher grade on Jerry Jeudy and KJ Hamler over him... A team that liked you well enough selected you... Go prove to them they were right on taking the chance on you. I would have to think every team is in love with their draft after it is over.... It doesn't always turn out great, but you take a player because you like them enough, not just because they fill a position of need. If you don't like the player enough at the position of need you may not fill that position but you fill the pick with another guy you have graded high enough to be worthy of that pick... Cushenberry shouldn't look at it as Denver got their next C on the board only because they had to fill the position. They graded you high enough to take you similar to where they would have taken Hennessey.

 

[Draft Crazy]

Klis

Here’s the deal on a cornerback: The Broncos liked Michael Ojemudia better than all the second-round corners as projected by the mocksters. The Broncos also knew they liked Ojemudia better than other teams, so they picked up Hamler in the second round and waited until their first of three third-round picks, No. 77 overall, to get the Hawkeye corner.

This is really what happens a lot. Everyone gets down because we take a second WR over our first CB... We dont like the projected Round 2 CB's over a guy we think will be there for us in Round 3... Smart move to wait.

Too many people get caught up in mock draft websites.

This goes back to my posts before the draft... Teams fall in love with players, not positions. Yes- You have to fill need, but you fall in love with players of position needs, not just a position.

 

[Mingo]

Funny how things work out some times. I think OJ will work out very well.

 

[fightinredantz]

Too many people get caught up in mock draft websites.

As fans most of us use these mock draft websites as our basis of information leading up to the draft, and base our opinions. As fans many of us don’t have time or knowledge to accurately grade players, nor access to film to grade with unbiased opinions already built in.

I have gone to weighting the cons of a player higher the the pros, because many players can do great things but you have to decide if you can live with what they don’t do well. Not sure this is ether best way for me to judge players but it is what I am currently doing with my limited time to research.

 

[Draft Crazy]

As fans most of us use these mock draft websites as our basis of information leading up to the draft, and base our opinions. As fans many of us don’t have time or knowledge to accurately grade players, nor access to film to grade with unbiased opinions already built in.

I have gone to weighting the cons of a player higher the the pros, because many players can do great things but you have to decide if you can live with what they don’t do well. Not sure this is ether best way for me to judge players but it is what I am currently doing with my limited time to research.

Right- I understand that... I am just saying... I think people who are gathering their opinion off draft websites maybe should be a little more open minded, then trusting draft websites over professionals who are digging up a lot more information about players... How they fit, attitude, coaching, coaches opinions, medical history, etc. Good college players don't always translate to good NFL players as we all know. I am just saying... If a player falls it isn't because 32 NFL teams weren't paying attention that he was a good college players. There are just so many things we as fans can base our opinion around. I watch so much college football, and have enjoyed scouting since a young age, and I feel I base my opinion over what I watch over a draft site. But I guess my point is that my opinion is the same as a draft website's because they have most of the same access to what I have. Film clips, watching live games, but I don't have the same access to information NFL teams have access to (I've got some but it is way more limited then what an NFL team has access too) Until any of us get paid we won't have all the information they have... I know from talking to agents, that college coaches are very honest with NFL scouts. If a player isn't coachable, if he isn't tough mentally, etc, if he is constantly late to practices, meetings, lifting, skips sessions etc. That is stuff we don't see on gameday but NFL teams have a knowledge of. Remember this is no longer play for free, teams are forking over long term money to these players.... So people shouldn't be surprised when a player rises or falls and need to be more open minded. There is a reason Denver takes a guy like Kayvon Webster or Michael Ojemudia in Round 3 when mock sites have them listed in Round 4 or 5, etc.. Denver isn't the only team willing to spend a Round 3 pick on these guys. They aren't stupid reaching for a guy in Round 3 that 31 other teams are going to let slide to Round 4/5... They understand where these guys draft stock is at. Obviously there are a lot of talented players who fall for whatever reason and then they prove to the league that they were wrong, but it isn't just a case of 32 NFL teams being stupid and missing out on talent when all of these websites had them ranked higher. There is a reason for it. I can tell you in knowing Michael Ojemudia, that if you're going to fork over money he is a good gamble because of his character and intelligence, work ethic etc.

I'm not knocking anyone for following NFL draft website. I myself had an NFL draft website for many years.. I am just making the point that we need to probably be more open minded acknowledging the limited resources a draft website has compared to the professionals with many scouts each year digging up every bit of information they can on these players.

I was at Iowa State's proday a few years back, these guys literally have pages of notes on players. Interview questions to ask them about stuff from their past they have probably forgotten about.

I once had an agent tell me that one of the teams she was closest with in the scouting industry had a player entering the draft (player is a TE currently in the NFL) in which the team told her a concern the staff on that team had was that (player) came from a successful two parent family home...the concern was maybe he wouldn't be as tough mentally for the NFL because he came from a great family... Whereas another player she had in the same class grew up being a father figure to his siblings in a poor situation, that he might be mentally tougher at the NFL level because of what he had been through. Nothing was ever given to him because he came from nothing... I am not saying that helped or hurt his draft stock, but they evaluate everything from things like that to, hobbies, to whatever else it may be...

 

[fightinredantz]

D.C. I completely agree with what you said, but fans live to play arm chair, coach, GM, or QB. We second guess the play calling, or decision making of a QB all season long. Part of the fun of being a fan is to try to guess what you would do in a particular situation, whether or not it is the draft or season. The media plays into this desire and will make controversial statements to get fans talking and giving their opinion. Heck that is what this board is all about.

I know you have way more player knowledge and a better gage of player rankings the I do. I don’t watch a lot of college football so at the end of the season I know very few players names. That doesn’t mean it is not fun for me to give my completely uneducated opinion. Some times I am right but usually wrong, and I am ok with that. I have fun regardless if I am right or wrong.

 

[Draft Crazy]

For the record- I wasn't referring to you in particular Jess.. I think we have a great group of levelheaded posters in this broncos message forum . I am talking more when I see views outside of here . I’m not saying not to form your own opinion based off what you read on websites. Part of the fun of the draft is having prospects you like and others you may not form as strong of an opinion on. I am really just talking around the NFL fanbase in general, people need to be more open minded when it comes to “draft value”. Obviously, Denver has drafted poor enough at times where it is easier to lose faith in their draft evaluations. I look at the San Antonio Spurs or Pittsburgh Steelers, and whenever they make a pick it’s hard to ever doubt them based on their drafting history.

 

[Mingo]

@LGM is not a levelheaded poster - don't you go calling him that @Draft Crazy. LGM spent a lot of money sloping his forehead and we should all pretend it looks good.

 

[LGM]

@LGM is not a levelheaded poster - don't you go calling him that @Draft Crazy. LGM spent a lot of money sloping his forehead and we should all pretend it looks good.

Just because they sloped it out and not back doesn't mean I can't start a new fashion trend.

Haters gon hate.

 

[58crash]

Hennessey we were video chatting with just before the draft. his name was mentioned over and over with Denver. I like the consolation We would have lost at least one of the other players. this team need all its picks.

 

[Draft Crazy]

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