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[redskinsfan]

yes he is getting an advantage and if he gets caught depending on how he cooperates with the investigation he should be punished accordingly

So does he get suspended four games too? What about the fact that just about every other QB does the same thing? Four games all around?

 

[skinsdad62]

So does he get suspended four games too? What about the fact that just about every other QB does the same thing? Four games all around?

what part of depending on how he cooperates with the investigation do you not understand ? suspensions are not equal . factors weight into it . so one size doesnt fit all

nor does it in MLB when a pitcher gets caught doctoring a ball . there are different fines and suspensions based on the facts of the case , history ETC

 

[Sharkinva]

Again, you are basically saying punishment should be based on outcome and not intent. Its reasoning like this that people like George Zimmerman walk free. Because he convinced 12 morons that he didnt intend to kill that kid. Brady intended to gain an unfair advantage, the fact that he might not have is irrelevant. In this case, the actual outcome can be debated, his intent was obvious. I think he got off lite.

 

[Stymietee]

yes he is getting an advantage and if he gets caught depending on how he cooperates with the investigation he should be punished accordingly

That is exactly what I thought. Seems to me that because this has been so poorly handled other complaints will be forthcoming league wide, and not just because of some noble desire to keep the game pure, but because there was a suspension in the his case, others might (ironically) do so to gain a competitive advantage.

Imagine for example, a team that would otherwise be in a tight race for their division, being set back because their starting QB is sidelined for some part of the season critical to his team success.

 

[redskinsfan]

what part of depending on how he cooperates with the investigation do you not understand ? suspensions are not equal . factors weight into it . so one size doesnt fit all

nor does it in MLB when a pitcher gets caught doctoring a ball . there are different fines and suspensions based on the facts of the case , history ETC

No way does his failure to cooperate and commission of a technical violation amount to a four-game suspension. In reading about why he got suspended, it appears that his failure to cooperate was the impetus for punishing him here. But let's stick with the subject. If Brady is getting punished for doctoring balls, why not start doing the same for others. If they cooperate, let's suspend them for two games? Sound fair?

And the doctoring of baseballs is something that's been shot down in a prior post. There's a HUGE difference between the two. HUGE.

 

[redskinsfan]

Again, you are basically saying punishment should be based on outcome and not intent. Its reasoning like this that people like George Zimmerman walk free. Because he convinced 12 morons that he didnt intend to kill that kid. Brady intended to gain an unfair advantage, the fact that he might not have is irrelevant. In this case, the actual outcome can be debated, his intent was obvious. I think he got off lite.

Read my response to you in the other thread. And the Zimmerman thing is completely different. That's because the trier of fact there concluded he didn't violate a rule/law. Much different than if they concluded he did, and then had to assess punishment on that basis. In such a case, they'd have a killer on their hands who had no justification for murdering Trayvon Martin. I think those morons reached the correct result but that's another issue altogether.

 

[redskinsfan]

That is exactly what I thought. Seems to me that because this has been so poorly handled other complaints will be forthcoming league wide, and not just because of some noble desire to keep the game pure, but because there was a suspension in the his case, others might (ironically) do so to gain a competitive advantage.

Imagine for example, a team that would otherwise be in a tight race for their division, being set back because their starting QB is sidelined for some part of the season critical to his team success.

And that's precisely why this suspension is crock of you-know-what. Everyone doctors balls. And if the going punishment is four games (with an upped penalty for failure to cooperate), the punishment should be around two games. So, let's investigate every QB, okay? Everyone would be serving time.

 

[redskinsfan]

brady didnt violate the pine tar rule , you dont throw baseball bats you throw a ball and the pine tar incident has nothing to do at all with it at all NOTHING and i will not accept it as a defense or comparison

talk to me about altering the baseball and its penalty because that is something your throw and catch and it is similar to throwing a football because it is a ball and not a piece of freaking wood

no one else got caught .

You can't follow a basic line of logic, man. The reason why I analogize the pine tar incident to what Brady did was because both were technical violations of the rules. One league got it correct, the other didn't.

And you still can't explain why the league shouldn't investigate every other QB for the same thing. Why don't they start with Luck, who, as I've pointed out umpteen times, also played with doctored balls in the very same game that gave rise to Brady's suspension.

 

[Sharkinva]

Read my response to you in the other thread. And the Zimmerman thing is completely different. That's because the trier of fact there concluded he didn't violate a rule/law. Much different than if they concluded he did, and then had to assess punishment on that basis. In such a case, they'd have a killer on their hands who had no justification for murdering Trayvon Martin. I think those morons reached the correct result but that's another issue altogether.

I will just say this and leave it be... Brady and the Patriots are no better than Lance Armstrong. Proven cheaters at this point. Brady should be banned from the league and Belicheat as well. If this is the shit they got caught on, what other forms of cheating are they doing that they havent been busted on yet??

 

[Stymietee]

It is clear to me that the league must make some sort of public declaration warning against any further tampering with footballs prior to and during games. This however presents an even greater problem for the game. Strick control over game balls could be a direct counter against a league determined to eliminate effective defensing.

 

[redskinsfan]

I will just say this and leave it be... Brady and the Patriots are no better than Lance Armstrong. Proven cheaters at this point. Brady should be banned from the league and Belicheat as well. If this is the shit they got caught on, what other forms of cheating are they doing that they havent been busted on yet??

Brady is not the cheater that Lance Armstrong is. He is the cheater that Aaron Rodgers is. Or Andrew Luck is. Or just about every other QB or kicker in the league is. Why not investigate them? How come you can't answer that?

Or why can't you answer the question about punishments for mercy killing or that Korean grocer case?

And dad hasn't given me an answer to that hypothetical I posed about a supervisor handling the issue of a rule violation committed by a female employee and other male employees.

 

[redskinsfan]

It is clear to me that the league must make some sort of public declaration warning against any further tampering with footballs prior to and during games. This however presents an even greater problem for the game. Strick control over game balls could be a direct counter against a league determined to eliminate effective defensing.

That's exactly what they should've done in the first place, and it's something I noted umpteen times previously. Instead, they nail Brady for basically a technical rule violation and basically say they're not concerned with the 31 other QBs that do the same thing. Stupid.

 

[redskinsfan]

What a freaking frustrating night. First the Caps finish off a major choke job in MSG. And then the Wiz turn the same trick by folding to the Hawks. They still can win the series but teams winning a Game 5, like the Hawks just did, end up winning the series 82% of the time.

 

[Sharkinva]

Brady is not the cheater that Lance Armstrong is. He is the cheater that Aaron Rodgers is. Or Andrew Luck is. Or just about every other QB or kicker in the league is. Why not investigate them? How come you can't answer that?

Or why can't you answer the question about punishments for mercy killing or that Korean grocer case?

And dad hasn't given me an answer to that hypothetical I posed about a supervisor handling the issue of a rule violation committed by a female employee and other male employees.

Fine, investigate them all, and if they are caught doctoring balls, or recording defensive signals, ban every one of them from the league as well. The defense that every one does it to some degree is bullshit and we both know it. One thing I learned at a young age is if you dont correct the little things, you end up with the big problems later on. Brady hasnt been CAUGHT on the level of Armstrong, but if he will doctor balls, whats to say he he wont cheat in other ways to stay on top. As I said, Brady, Belicheat and Craft should have been banned from the league after spygate. This is just the latest rules violation in an attempt to gain an unfair advantage. The organization has shown a pattern of cheating at this point, so to me they got off way too lite.

 

[Sharkinva]

That's exactly what they should've done in the first place, and it's something I noted umpteen times previously. Instead, they nail Brady for basically a technical rule violation and basically say they're not concerned with the 31 other QBs that do the same thing. Stupid.

Again how do you know the other 31 teams doctor balls in such a way as to try and gain an unfair advantage?? You dont, you assume because it fits the defense of brady cheating.

 

[Sharkinva]

 

[kbso83432]

Been a Caps fan since the years of Pivonka, Stevens, and Gartner. I'm numb to it at this point.

 

[Caliskinsfan]

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

You can't follow a basic line of logic, man. The reason why I analogize the pine tar incident to what Brady did was because both were technical violations of the rules. One league got it correct, the other didn't.

And you still can't explain why the league shouldn't investigate every other QB for the same thing. Why don't they start with Luck, who, as I've pointed out umpteen times, also played with doctored balls in the very same game that gave rise to Brady's suspension.

Your line of reasoning makes zero sense. As dad asked if it did not give an edge then why in the world would the Pats bother to do it? The fumble figures are daunting, not just for BGE but for the entire team.

And finally they were not penalized for just the crime. It was the other factors I already spelled out such as lying, failure to cooperate, history. Why don't you get off the Colts game and deal with reality and that is the reality.

 

[skinsdad62]

You can't follow a basic line of logic, man. The reason why I analogize the pine tar incident to what Brady did was because both were technical violations of the rules. One league got it correct, the other didn't.

And you still can't explain why the league shouldn't investigate every other QB for the same thing. Why don't they start with Luck, who, as I've pointed out umpteen times, also played with doctored balls in the very same game that gave rise to Brady's suspension.

i dont follow it because it is apples and oranges you dont throw bats you throw balls hence doctoring a baseball is the better comparison .

so i reject it out right so dont bother bringing it up because i will dismiss it period and its non negotiable

as for luck there is no evidence the colts balls were doctored and if they were then he should be investigated too