Off-season news 2024

[blstoker]

5'10 corner over a potential generational talent at DT when it was an absolutely dire need.
You cant justify that, i dont care how many 6'1 corners have been taken in the past 10 years.
Maybe thats part of the reason pete was let go and our first pick after his tenure was a DT.

Sorry, DTs aren't normally taken that high. Even Donald was a #13 pick. It's been over a decade since DTs were consistently considered top 5 picks. Hell, I was nice to keep Quinnen Williams as a DT as he's been mostly a DE in New York, otherwise it's been since 2011 since a DT was take top 5. So, why is it such a sure-fire thing that a DT (any DT) be taken #5 over a CB (any height of CB) in the draft.

Carter could have an amazing career - but that doesn't change that DT in the top 5 is unlikely to say the least. You getting a crush on Carter's intangibles doesn't change that, historically speaking, he went where he was probably going to go, no matter how much the sports media was hyping him as the next Aaron Donald.

 

[Screamin12th]

People develop crushes on college players then spend years complaining because their team didn't draft their crush. At the time Seahawks had way to much invested in safety to use their 1.10 on another safety (yes we all agree they screwed up at the position) as for that DT he was used in a rotation in college (and pro's) has questions about staying in shape, weight problems, and then clubbing and racing rather then preparing for the draft. None of his college coaches put a good word in for him. Got to say I was shocked they went CB even though I loved Witherspoon tape, he was a bit under sized for his style of play and I thought DL or QB was going to be the choice given their needs

Also had they drafted Carter we wouldn't have Witherspoon OR Murphy. They took WAY to long to move away from Adams, They saw the writing on the wall and could have made a move but didn't. With what we know now and some of us saw before they could have got something for him and it would have been a steal in 2022.

I'll take Witherspoon and Murphy over Carter every sing day, not even a question.

Witherspoon reminds me of Carlton Gray but a little better but a little smaller.

 

[Screamin12th]

Oh and a little more aggressive

 

[MrS]

Sorry, DTs aren't normally taken that high.

Neither are 5'10 slot corners, in fact he may be the only one ever taken that high.

Also had they drafted Carter we wouldn't have Witherspoon OR Murphy

We could have carter AND murphy plus whoever we took with the 2nd rounder we traded way for williams.

 

[blstoker]

Neither are 5'10 slot corners, in fact he may be the only one ever taken that high.

The fact you pigeonhole Witherspoon as a slot corner is more your bias and not as much his skillset.

 

[Sharkonabicycle]

Also had they drafted Carter we wouldn't have Witherspoon OR Murphy. They took WAY to long to move away from Adams, They saw the writing on the wall and could have made a move but didn't. With what we know now and some of us saw before they could have got something for him and it would have been a steal in 2022.

I'll take Witherspoon and Murphy over Carter every sing day, not even a question.

Witherspoon reminds me of Carlton Gray but a little better but a little smaller.

Well no shit I'd take Murphy AND Witherspoon over Carter. The better question is: Would you take Carter and Murphy over Witherspoon and Murphy? And if we had Carter we may have not traded for Williams which means we would've had another 2nd rounder. Williams played good for us, but he's 30... he's HIGHLY unlikely to improve at this point. I guess the one good thing it did was entice MacDonald to come here because Williams has done 1 tech/5 tech/3 tech/NT, etc. lol.. and Witherspoon IMO can probably play every position in the secondary... so maybe that was the positive.

I'd still rather have Carter/Murphy than Witherspoon/Murphy.

Now, where I can extend an olive branch is a nickel DB is getting EXTREMELY valuable in the NFL given the heavy emphasis on passing. Nickel certainly requires a different skillset to play effectively and a lot of teams are snatching up wideouts that play the slot extremely well or just slide certain players over to that position.

Again I'm happy to eat crow on Witherspoon. I hated it, so far it's panned out, and as the league keeps evolving into pass first styles and slot keeps gaining attention, Witherspoon may have been the correct choice end of day. And I know Harold mentioned some injury and workout issues with Carter, but Witherspoon with his style of tackling and size.. IMO he's going to end up on the IR just as often... he was already out twice last year.

All said, I still go with the old philosophy. Get a QB, protect the QB, get to the other QB... that starts with the QB itself and the trenches...

 

[MrS]

The fact you pigeonhole Witherspoon as a slot corner is more your bias and not as much his skillset.

according to macdonald that is where he is going to play the majority of snaps, same as last year

im not discounting him as a player i think you know that.

the question is, do you take a S over a LT in the top 10? no.
should you take a 5'10 slot corner over a potential generational talent at DT? no.

im talking strictly draft day, no crystal ball, no hindsight.

Would you take Carter and Murphy over Witherspoon and Murphy? And if we had Carter we may have not traded for Williams which means we would've had another 2nd rounder.

id prefer the young, beefy DL and whatever we took with the 2nd. ironically the giants took a S with that pick.

 

[Sharkonabicycle]

id prefer the young, beefy DL and whatever we took with the 2nd. ironically the giants took a S with that pick.

Oh yah, Nubin... that's right. He would've been great for Macs defense too.

 

[Screamin12th]

Neither are 5'10 slot corners, in fact he may be the only one ever taken that high.

We could have carter AND murphy plus whoever we took with the 2nd rounder we traded way for williams.

Had they drafted Carter there is NO WAY they take Murphy.

 

[Screamin12th]

Well no shit I'd take Murphy AND Witherspoon over Carter. The better question is: Would you take Carter and Murphy over Witherspoon and Murphy? And if we had Carter we may have not traded for Williams which means we would've had another 2nd rounder. Williams played good for us, but he's 30... he's HIGHLY unlikely to improve at this point. I guess the one good thing it did was entice MacDonald to come here because Williams has done 1 tech/5 tech/3 tech/NT, etc. lol.. and Witherspoon IMO can probably play every position in the secondary... so maybe that was the positive.

I'd still rather have Carter/Murphy than Witherspoon/Murphy.

Now, where I can extend an olive branch is a nickel DB is getting EXTREMELY valuable in the NFL given the heavy emphasis on passing. Nickel certainly requires a different skillset to play effectively and a lot of teams are snatching up wideouts that play the slot extremely well or just slide certain players over to that position.

Again I'm happy to eat crow on Witherspoon. I hated it, so far it's panned out, and as the league keeps evolving into pass first styles and slot keeps gaining attention, Witherspoon may have been the correct choice end of day. And I know Harold mentioned some injury and workout issues with Carter, but Witherspoon with his style of tackling and size.. IMO he's going to end up on the IR just as often... he was already out twice last year.

All said, I still go with the old philosophy. Get a QB, protect the QB, get to the other QB... that starts with the QB itself and the trenches...

You are HIGH ON CRACK if you think after drafting Carter they double down and draft Murphy the following year. They would go CB/S because you are removing WItherspoon off the back end.

 

[HaroldSeattle]

You are HIGH ON CRACK if you think after drafting Carter they double down and draft Murphy the following year. They would go CB/S because you are removing WItherspoon off the back end.

I don't see the Seahawks (or any team really) taking DT with their first round pick back to back years. Murphy>Carter

 

[JMR]

I'm not close to worrying about Cross just yet. Quality LTs can play 10+ years. Let's see how it goes with different offensive ideas & coaches.

 

[JMR]

The fact you pigeonhole Witherspoon as a slot corner is more your bias and not as much his skillset.

He was probably our best player last year. Who gives a shit about a label?

 

[Screamin12th]

it really is sad still seeing people talk about Bobo's 4.99 40. If they go look at the 40 yard dash they will see that it was pouring down rain and he slipped on the start! I dont mean a little Drizzle but a massive downpour. I say he could run it as fast as 4.75 or maybe a little quicker putting him in Jerry Rice territory. ( 4.67 ). Yes he is not a burner but when you have elite hands and route running you do not need to be fast, Just ask Steve Largent. Every one seems to ignore the fact that he slipped and it was pouring!

I want to see Bobo get 50 rec this year and shut people up. He is a #4 WR that could in my eyes be a #3 on a lot of teams IF given the chance. You don't need to be fast to be good! Two of the greatest WR in NFL history were 4.67 to 4.7 40 guys!

I always loved Larry Fitzgerald and he was a 4.63 guy but he was great at route running catching contested balls and finding the soft spots and in the open he was hard to catch because once he got that long stride going he is no longer a 4.6 40 guy.

No i am not saying he is Jerry or Fitz or Largent, im just pointing out the success these guys had based off the ability of their brains hands and route running, Bobo has those same tools.

 

[Sharkonabicycle]

it really is sad still seeing people talk about Bobo's 4.99 40. If they go look at the 40 yard dash they will see that it was pouring down rain and he slipped on the start! I dont mean a little Drizzle but a massive downpour. I say he could run it as fast as 4.75 or maybe a little quicker putting him in Jerry Rice territory. ( 4.67 ). Yes he is not a burner but when you have elite hands and route running you do not need to be fast, Just ask Steve Largent. Every one seems to ignore the fact that he slipped and it was pouring!

I want to see Bobo get 50 rec this year and shut people up. He is a #4 WR that could in my eyes be a #3 on a lot of teams IF given the chance. You don't need to be fast to be good! Two of the greatest WR in NFL history were 4.67 to 4.7 40 guys!

I always loved Larry Fitzgerald and he was a 4.63 guy but he was great at route running catching contested balls and finding the soft spots and in the open he was hard to catch because once he got that long stride going he is no longer a 4.6 40 guy.

No i am not saying he is Jerry or Fitz or Largent, im just pointing out the success these guys had based off the ability of their brains hands and route running, Bobo has those same tools.

Agreed. Plus Lockett is prob. gone next year. His cap hit will be $31M (dead cap of $14M but just way too much - prob. a post June cut). So you have to find a replacement. JSN can certainly be the #2 but you can easily slide JSN over to the slot and then put Bobo in at the #2 if he makes strides this year and gets more opportunities. Two 6'4" receivers on the outside with JSN in the slot sounds pretty good to me.

 

[JMR]

We got a little over-leveraged on WR contracts. The TL restructure helps a little, but giving pretty big paydays to 2 guys at one position doesn't seem wise unless in very exceptional circumstances. Coach Mac is still largely an unknown to me, but I suspect he might not be a guy who wants so much investment at WR. We need to right-size our roster in terms of where the cap $ is, and I hope we see a bit less of it going to WR in the near future. It wouldn't surprise me all that much if neither TL nor DK are in camp with this team a year from now. Hopefully a big season improves DK's trade value as he goes into the final year of his current deal, and Lockett is almost assuredly a cap casualty short of another restructure after this season.

 

[Sharkonabicycle]

We got a little over-leveraged on WR contracts. The TL restructure helps a little, but giving pretty big paydays to 2 guys at one position doesn't seem wise unless in very exceptional circumstances. Coach Mac is still largely an unknown to me, but I suspect he might not be a guy who wants so much investment at WR. We need to right-size our roster in terms of where the cap $ is, and I hope we see a bit less of it going to WR in the near future. It wouldn't surprise me all that much if neither TL nor DK are in camp with this team a year from now. Hopefully a big season improves DK's trade value as he goes into the final year of his current deal, and Lockett is almost assuredly a cap casualty short of another restructure after this season.

Well this is prob. Lockett's last year with Seattle. I don't think there's any possibility to restructuring him further. Now you take the $14M in cap hit if traded in 2025, would someone pay Lockett for $17M 1 year rental? Ehh.... 33 year old receiver at that point? I doubt it.. someone will just wait for him to be released and then sign him for prob. $8M per. Maybe you get a desperate team but WRs are pouring out of NCAAF that is now mirroring the passing league NFL with pro style offenses. They're ready to go.

And DK could in all likelihood be traded after this year given his cap hit is only $7M and Seattle may get a first for him if he balls out (or maybe two 2nds). So then you're left with JSN and Bobo I guess?

I still liked the pick of JSN... grab the best available when it's there, so you can move on from guys like Tyler or have an option to leave DK and not be forced to overspend or commit. That started to be Carroll's problem towards the end. He wanted to keep too many players around and started throwing out bags of money to overrated/aging players.

 

[Anointed One]

TL is the type of guy who may retire rather than go to another team to play... He's very involved in his faith and family and he's hinted at wanting to focus on those things when he does hang it up... I'd be shocked if he took a large pay cut to play with us next year...

 

[Sharkonabicycle]

TL is the type of guy who may retire rather than go to another team to play... He's very involved in his faith and family and he's hinted at wanting to focus on those things when he does hang it up... I'd be shocked if he took a large pay cut to play with us next year...

I think the same. He did that restructure this year to help the team and I think he fully understands this is his last year with Seattle, and at 33 I doubt he's going to try and make it happen elsewhere. Who knows, but Tyler never struck me as a super flashy guy to begin with... he's probably invested well and is ready to hang it up. He's starting to get some nagging injuries too. Only way he sticks around IMO is if he tries to sign cheap and snag a ring, but he always struck me as a pretty humble guy - I don't think that means everything to him.

 

[JMR]

Well this is prob. Lockett's last year with Seattle. I don't think there's any possibility to restructuring him further. Now you take the $14M in cap hit if traded in 2025, would someone pay Lockett for $17M 1 year rental? Ehh.... 33 year old receiver at that point? I doubt it.. someone will just wait for him to be released and then sign him for prob. $8M per. Maybe you get a desperate team but WRs are pouring out of NCAAF that is now mirroring the passing league NFL with pro style offenses. They're ready to go.

Yeah, I agree that this is most likely TL's last year in Seattle playing football. I disagree about there not being any possibility of another restructure, but it's certainly less likely than him getting released. Either way, it's a cap move because he simply isn't going to be worth the cost of keeping him under current contract terms for the 2025 season. Now if trading DK is the play after this season, maybe the team doesn't want to turn over that much veteran presence at WR and figures out a way to make it make sense financially for one more season with Lockett, but it can't be anywhere near what the current figure looks like. And then some of that bill will come due in 2026, and maybe that's just not what they want. Unlikely but not impossible he's here after this season.

And DK could in all likelihood be traded after this year given his cap hit is only $7M and Seattle may get a first for him if he balls out (or maybe two 2nds). So then you're left with JSN and Bobo I guess?

Yeah, I think how guys other than DK, Lockett, and JSN do this year could help drive what happens with DK & TL next off-season. I see next to zero chance both TL and DK are on the team in 2025. I just don't think it could make sense to do that cap-wise, and roster management also would be iffy with the expectation that JSN is going to take another step forward and become the team's 1st or 2nd leading receiver. I think the best scenario for the team is both DK and JSN have really good seasons, and we are able to move DK for something good in return. That avoids having to give him another payday (or risk losing him in free agency) while at the same time opening a wider lane for JSN to take another step in year 3 as the team's unquestioned top target.

I still liked the pick of JSN...

Concur. He had a good rookie year. It started a little slowly with the injury, but I think it ended up about where you could reasonably expect given the team already had a very good 1-2 combo at the position. At the time he was drafted, most of us saw JSN as the eventual replacement for TL, who was mostly likely on the downside of a wonderful career. It still looks like a pretty good move to me, and I'm inclined to think it will look even more so as this season gets on.