Nick Chubb

[CrashDavisSports]

do you realize that dudes get hit in the legs NUMEROUS times during many, many football games, and catastrophic knee injuries almost never occur? You realize that, yes?

Yes, I am well aware, but how many of those instances do defensive players LAUNCH themselves and all their body weight at the front of the runners knees who is already engaged? Fitzpatrick is lucky he didn't blow out his own defensive players knees on that same play.

 

[Stakesarehigh]

It’s not practice.

Yes it is how you tackle.

yea I have no issues with the hit. A guy like Chubb is hard to bring down so ideally you're placing your tackles lower on his body. You obviously want to avoid taking his knee out but people don't tackle with pinpoint accuracy as the target is also moving.

 

[Ojb81]

Yes, I am well aware, but how many of those instances do defensive players LAUNCH themselves and all their body weight at the front of the runners knees who is already engaged? Fitzpatrick is lucky he didn't blow out his own defensive players knees on that same play.

It happens quite a bit, actually. Had Chubb's leg NOT been planted into the ground when he got hit, then the worst he likely would have suffered would've been a bruised knee. It was just awful timing.

I'm telling you, you DO NOT want to go down this road of making it even more impossible to play defense in this game.

 

[Cincyfan78]

It happens quite a bit, actually. Had Chubb's leg NOT been planted into the ground when he got hit, then the worst he likely would have suffered would've been a bruised knee. It was just awful timing.

I'm telling you, you DO NOT want to go down this road of making it even more impossible to play defense in this game.

I don't think he's saying you shouldn't hit someone in the knee at all...I think it's more about the approach. At least, for me it is.

Guys launching full on with their bodies, leading with their heads, arms tucked in - like a missile - is an issue. It's an issue that, IMO, that football at all levels has missed. If he goes it with the intent to go low, but wrap tackle - maybe the injury still occurs, maybe not...but there's at least a better chance that injuries like this don't occur. You'd also see less targeting, and less penalties. You'd see less "friendly fire" from defenders, and injuries sustained when teammates collide because one of them comes flying in with intent to launch themselves with no regard for sound technique, or the outcome of the hit.

 

[CrashDavisSports]

It happens quite a bit, actually. Had Chubb's leg NOT been planted into the ground when he got hit, then the worst he likely would have suffered would've been a bruised knee. It was just awful timing.

I'm telling you, you DO NOT want to go down this road of making it even more impossible to play defense in this game.

Then it becomes like NBA. I don't care as long as guys are playing and wrapping up with proper tackles.

 

[Shanemansj13]

I never said it was a dirty hit but it's not a good form tackle. That is pretty obvious, shit happens.

 

[Ojb81]

I don't think he's saying you shouldn't hit someone in the knee at all...I think it's more about the approach. At least, for me it is.

Guys launching full on with their bodies, leading with their heads, arms tucked in - like a missile - is an issue. It's an issue that, IMO, that football at all levels has missed. If he goes it with the intent to go low, but wrap tackle - maybe the injury still occurs, maybe not...but there's at least a better chance that injuries like this don't occur. You'd also see less targeting, and less penalties. You'd see less "friendly fire" from defenders, and injuries sustained when teammates collide because one of them comes flying in with intent to launch themselves with no regard for sound technique, or the outcome of the hit.

what we're going to see is way more flags thrown, making the game less watchable/competitive while the catastrophic knee/leg injuries remain at about the same level of occurrence.

 

[Ojb81]

I never said it was a dirty hit but it's not a good form tackle. That is pretty obvious, shit happens.

correct, and the league would be absolutely foolish to go and make "not a good form tackle" a penalty

 

[Cincyfan78]

what we're going to see is way more flags thrown, making the game less watchable/competitive while the catastrophic knee/leg injuries remain at about the same level of occurrence.

Guys will need to change and go back to sound tackling technique. Maybe a bump in flags at first, but guys will adjust and the game will be safer all around without changing anything fundamental about the game.

People say this all the time when rules are changed...players adjust. If safety is really paramount, then the rules should be enforcing technique that supports player safety. Removing the "launch tackle" (as I'll call it) would reduce injuries on both sides of the ball and could lead to a reduction in penalties to help off-set your worry because when you are wrapping guys up, you can't target. You can't personal foul. I'd go as far as to remove the personal fouls on a tackle where there may be helmet contact as long as there is an attempt to wrap the player up...but that should be a lot less considering guys don't wrap up helmets....

 

[CrashDavisSports]

correct, and the league would be absolutely foolish to go and make "not a good form tackle" a penalty

Sure they should. QB's are protected thanks to Pittsburgh blowing out Palmer's knee.

Now we can protect the whole league thanks to Pittsburgh's hit on Chubb's knee.

See a pattern here?

 

[fightinfunbags]

Until Jalen Hurts is running the ball in that exact same situation and then his knee is destroyed. It will take another fn QB having this happen to them before the league finally sees the writing on the wall and will make guys waist tackle like it should have been all the time.

I’m screaming at him for not protecting himself.

 

[Ojb81]

Guys will need to change and go back to sound tackling technique. Maybe a bump in flags at first, but guys will adjust and the game will be safer all around without changing anything fundamental about the game.

People say this all the time when rules are changed...players adjust. If safety is really paramount, then the rules should be enforcing technique that supports player safety. Removing the "launch tackle" (as I'll call it) would reduce injuries on both sides of the ball and could lead to a reduction in penalties to help off-set your worry because when you are wrapping guys up, you can't target. You can't personal foul. I'd go as far as to remove the personal fouls on a tackle where there may be helmet contact as long as there is an attempt to wrap the player up...but that should be a lot less considering guys don't wrap up helmets....

sorry, not buying it. this game moves way too fast, there's way too much weight involved, there are ALWAYS going to be instances where guys aren't making a "proper form tackle". adding yet another disastrous rule to the rulebook is going to do nothing but make the game worse. stop being a prisoner of the moment.

 

[Ojb81]

Sure they should. QB's are protected thanks to Pittsburgh blowing out Palmer's knee.

Now we can protect the whole league thanks to Pittsburgh's hit on Chubb's knee.

See a pattern here?

 

[Beengay fudgepackers]

That's not even close to an apples to apples comp...

But the overall sentiment is not far off. A bigger issue with the rules is that it still allows for guys to launch themselves like missles and doesn't incentivize sound tackling technique. Hit 'em high, or low, the approach should always be an attempt to wrap up the ball carrier - and not launch your body like a projectile.

Not only would that offer more protection for the offensive player, but for the defensive player as well.

I was half joking and half making a point. Just because someone got hurt doesn’t means rule change is warranted. If they keep making rule changes that ties up the defenses hands, they’ll have to add to the yards it takes for a first down.

 

[CrashDavisSports]

I’m screaming at him for not protecting himself.

You should be, because once that QB makes himself a runner, this is very likely a real possibility. Hurts is way too damn good to have some defender go F it, lets hit those fn knees with all my weight after I launch myself.

If the defense was subjected to these same kind of hits, maybe they wouldn't make so many of them. However, the only time they are hit like this is from their own damn teammates launching themselves.

 

[Cincyfan78]

sorry, not buying it. this game moves way too fast, there's way too much weight involved, there are ALWAYS going to be instances where guys aren't making a "proper form tackle". adding yet another disastrous rule to the rulebook is going to do nothing but make the game worse. stop being a prisoner of the moment.

This is just not true at all. You cannot tell me that guys can't try and wrap up a guy up. It may not always be to "form" or "pretty" but there is a massive difference between just deciding to launch your body into someone and trying to actually tackle someone.

I get it, you feel like your guy is being singled out because of the injury that happened. I don't think anyone actually thinks there was any ill-intent...but this launching thing has been in issue for years. I've said since they started with the personal foul and targeting fouls...they are only treating the symptom and not the root cause.

These guys grow up learning how to properly tackle. At some point, they move to the launch style because it's allowed and it's just easier to "hit" than to actually tackle...but if they were to remove that, guys would have to go back to actually making a tackle, which they are taught to do from day one pee-wee.

 

[CrashDavisSports]

I was half joking and half making a point. Just because someone got hurt doesn’t means rule change is warranted. If they keep making rule changes that ties up the defenses hands, they’ll have to add to the yards it takes for a first down.

Fine. Make it 15 yards. I would rather see the defense get advantages like that, then continue to take out star players around the league on piss poor tackling techniques.

 

[Cincyfan78]

I was half joking and half making a point. Just because someone got hurt doesn’t means rule change is warranted. If they keep making rule changes that ties up the defenses hands, they’ll have to add to the yards it takes for a first down.

Agreed. I've been saying this for years, though. Their approach to targeting and personal fouls on tackles only treats the symptom of the issue and does not fix the root cause.

 

[Beengay fudgepackers]

Fine. Make it 15 yards. I would rather see the defense get advantages like that, then continue to take out star players around the league on piss poor tackling techniques.

Meh, I want it to be hard for teams to score again. (It’s why I’m a bears fan, man!)

 

[CrashDavisSports]

Meh, I want it to be hard for teams to score again. (It’s why I’m a bears fan, man!)

I understand some people really like defense as well, and I agree. I like defense as well. I agree the rules are all geared for the offense. So there is a way to turn the tables a bit to make it more challenging for the offense. But protecting the leagues stars and requiring proper tackling techniques should be paramount. This league is more popular and profitable when its stars are on the field healthy.