NFL MVP update

[mr.hockey4242]

Are there really people here trying to argue that Rodgers isn't a great QB?

1 guy. And boy is he looking like a moron. Its fun though.

 

[sonnyblack65]

Because why would you run when they have that secondary?

If Brady hadn't committed the cardinal sin and paid the price, he prolly woulda been MVP. That pains me to say, but I believe that. (Not the cardinal sin part, that was for effect.)

What do you mean? I'm talking for the whole year Peyton was a guy who threw so much inside the 5 yard line that him and his center Jeff saturday got into it on anf off the field. It was dfirst and goal on the 1 yard line and he threw the first 2 times. Jeff told Peyton "why don't we run it" and Peyton told him to shut the duck up and he was in charge. Who knows if Brady would have won it but Ryan has the stats and the recors. I'll take Bradys 11-1 record with 2 t/o's. He fumbled the ball 6 times and recovered all 6, so just the 2 picks

 

[Moab]

Earl's right, Rodgers sucks and the Packers should cut him. There is no way the other 31 teams would pick him up off waivers...

 

[broncosmitty]

What do you mean? I'm talking for the whole year Peyton was a guy who threw do much inside the 5 yard line that him and his center Jeff saturday got into it on anf off the field. It was dfirst and goal on the 1 yard line and he threw the first 2 times. Jeff told Peyton "why don't we run it" and Peyton told him to shut the duck up and he was in charge. Who knows if Brady would have won it but Ryan has the stats and the recors. I'll take Bradys 11-1 record with 2 t/o's. He fumbled the ball 6 times and recovered all 6, so just the 2 picks

I'm talking about this years Packers.

Manning was his own OC. I know this because his OC is our HC now, and he can't make a halftime adjustment to save his season. (49-6 in the second half the last three weeks.)

 

[Earl Stevens]

Are there really people here trying to argue that Rodgers isn't a great QB?

Nobody said Rodgers isn't great. It's the ridiculous pedestal he's put on.

 

[Earl Stevens]

Rodgers Led the team in carries tonight.

That's bad coaching because they had RBs averaging over 5 yards a carry.

 

[Moab]

Nobody said Rodgers isn't great. It's the ridiculous pedestal he's put on.

So, you're saying he's great, but shouldn't be on a pedestal. Got it...

How about this, you're a moron, but we shouldn't dismiss your stupidity? Is that about the same analogy?

 

[sonnyblack65]

I'm talking about this years Packers.

Manning was his own OC. I know this because his OC is our HC now, and he can't make a halftime adjustment to save his season. (49-6 in the second half the last three weeks.)

. I still don't understand what this years secondary has to do with running the ball? I showed where 2 guys avg over yards a carry this year and not sure what that Polish guy is averaging now that Lacy is hurt

 

[broncosmitty]

That's bad coaching because they had RBs averaging over 5 yards a carry.

Like the guy who is a wide receiver who limped off the field?

Or the fullback who's job is to block?

The only other guy with multiple carries was Michael who had six yards.

 

[sonnyblack65]

I'm talking about this years Packers.

Manning was his own OC. I know this because his OC is our HC now, and he can't make a halftime adjustment to save his season. (49-6 in the second half the last three weeks.)

Tom Moore was Peyton's OC for 10 years in Indy . Guy's great coaching for 50 years and was your OC back in the day. He was what Dick Lebeau was to a DC

 

[broncosmitty]

. I still don't understand what this years secondary has to do with running the ball? I showed where 2 guys avg over yards a carry this year and not sure what that Polish guy is averaging now that Lacy is hurt

Why would this years Packers secondary not affect how often teams run the ball against them?

(You mentioned at one point they were best against the run. Their awful coverage is my opinion why that was.)

 

[mr.hockey4242]

Like the guy who is a wide receiver who limped off the field?

Or the fullback who's job is to block?

The only other guy with multiple carries was Michael who had six yards.

You're talking to a guy who says "they don't even try to run on the goal line"

In response to the Packers throwing 1 time(successfully) from the 9 yard.

Can't argue with someone clueless enough to

1. Say something that worked to win the game was dumb
2. Act like they tried it multiple times, when it was an efficient 1/1
3. Think the 9 yard line is the goal line.

 

[broncosmitty]

Tom Moore was Peyton's OC for 10 years in Indy guys great coaching for 50 years and was your OC back in the day

My bad.

JimmyJam was Peyton's QB coach before he took over for Dungy. I thought he had a couple
Years as OC before TM retired.

Guess it was just that stint with the Ravens that he held that title.

 

[sonnyblack65]

Why would this years Packers secondary not affect how often teams run the ball against them?

(You mentioned at one point they were best against the run. Their awful coverage is my opinion why that was.)

I was saying why doesn't GB run the ball more when they have guys avging more than 5 yards carry, not run against them. If your playing the no#1 run D, why try to run a lot, have to throw. And GB had the no#1 ranked run D for awhile this year

 

[Earl Stevens]

You actually create a new type of stupid.

Yes, first 10 weeks Carr did have a better head to head Passer rating in 7 of them. Congrats one week Carr had a 80.6 to Rodgers 79.8. 3 of the 7 times that Carr had a better passer rating it was by less than 4 pts.

Rodgers in his 8 games that were better than Carrs..............only week 15 saw the gap within 10 pts and at 6 it was still higher than 3 of the games Carr had over Rodgers.

Rodgers fucking SHIT on him this year. There were FOUR games all year where Carr was legitmately better then Rodgers. 25% of the year. THose games were the Falcons, Ravens, Bucs and Texans. Congrats.

Carr threw better against the shitty Falcons D while Rodgers struggled vs the Vikes D everyone was getting shut down by. Throw a parade.

You are really, really fucking stupid.

So you call me stupid and then prove my point. Carr was better in 7 of the first 10 weeks. So yeah, Carr was better in the first 10 weeks just like I fucking said and wouldn't have let the Packers start 4-6. And passer rating won't account for the fact that Carr surrendered TDs to his running game in the first 10 weeks. Carr had several games where he played well but didn't throw many TDs because they actually run the football whereas Rodgers had multi-TD games in games where he wasn't that great and lost. Using passer rating to justify who was better and not taking into account situational football? There's only one person that is fucking stupid here. It's the Viking homer who has Aaron Rodgers' dick far up his asshole.

 

[broncosmitty]

You're talking to a guy who says "they don't even try to run on the goal line"

In response to the Packers throwing 1 time(successfully) from the 9 yard.

Can't argue with someone clueless enough to

1. Say something that worked to win the game was dumb
2. Act like they tried it multiple times, when it was an efficient 1/1
3. Think the 9 yard line is the goal line.

I was happy to see Polish sausage get those carries. If the Pack could've beat us on the ground, id have been surprised. (We had 8 in the box one play, got nervous. But the blitz actually worked. Lawson got the sack.)I wasn't surprised that ARodg threw for 300 and 4 TDs with another 40 on the ground.

 

[Earl Stevens]

So, you're saying he's great, but shouldn't be on a pedestal. Got it...

How about this, you're a moron, but we shouldn't dismiss your stupidity? Is that about the same analogy?

I'm saying he shouldn't be in the MVP discussion. I made that clear a long time ago.

 

[rmilia1]

The rush game thing is pretty overblown. Green Bay has the 7th best yards per rush in the league. Theyre 18th in ypg but only 9 ypg from being in the top 10. The reality is they run the ball fine. They simply choose to pass it more than most teams do because that's the style of offense they run.

 

[sonnyblack65]

Passing
Rk Player Team Pos Comp Att Pct Att/G Yds Avg Yds/G TD Int 1st 1st% Lng 20+ 40+ Sck Rate
1 Drew Brees NO QB 471 673 70.0 42.1 5,208 7.7 325.5 37 15 264 39.2 98T 70 10 27 101.7
2 Matt Ryan ATL QB 373 534 69.9 33.4 4,944 9.3 309.0 38 7 238 44.6 76T 69 17 37 117.1
3 Kirk Cousins WAS QB 406 606 67.0 37.9 4,917 8.1 307.3 25 12 225 37.1 80T 69 13 23 97.2
4 Philip Rivers SD QB 349 578 60.4 36.1 4,386 7.6 274.1 33 21 214 37.0 59 57 16 36 87.9
5 Joe Flacco BAL QB 436 672 64.9 42.0 4,317 6.4 269.8 20 15 204 30.4 95T 40 11 33 83.5
6 Andrew Luck IND QB 346 545 63.5 36.3 4,240 7.8 282.7 31 13 206 37.8 64T 61 8 41 96.4
7 Carson Palmer ARI QB 364 597 61.0 39.8 4,233 7.1 282.2 26 14 218 36.5 80T 48 6 40 87.2
8 Russell Wilson SEA QB 353 546 64.7 34.1 4,219 7.7 263.7 21 11 193 35.3 59 51 11 41 92.6
9 Andy Dalton CIN QB 364 563 64.7 35.2 4,206 7.5 262.9 18 8 204 36.2 86T 53 13 41 91.8
10 Aaron Rodgers GB QB 374 571 65.5 38.1 4,128 7.2 275.2 36 7 205 35.9 66T 53 10 34 102.7

 

[Moab]

The rush game thing is pretty overblown. Green Bay has the 7th best yards per rush in the league. Theyre 18th in ypg but only 9 ypg from being in the top 10. The reality is they run the ball dine. They simply choose to pass it more than most teams do because that's the style of offense they run.

I think haters call that stat padding, but I could be wrong.