NFL MVP...Gronk? Mike Freeman thinks so. Here's his top 10.

[Yam]

And that is offset by divs he's better against.

Now you are just caught with your pants down and will scramble for any semantical argument you can find.

LMFAO.

You're crazy.

Like batshit crazy.

"TB is just as good against every other div in the NFL, if not better."

Reread what you said, a few more times.

 

[Judge Fudge]

No.

Can i ask you say no?

Because without Russ the seahawks would be a 3-13 team or worse.

 

[NEPatsfan]

LMFAO.

You're crazy.

Like batshit crazy.

"TB is just as good against every other div in the NFL, if not better."

Reread what you said, a few more times.

He's better in 4 of them, the same in 1 of them, and weaker in 2 of them, and those 2 have something in common.

He's .759 vs the rest of the AFC, compared to .778 in the east, pretty much the same.

 

[NEPatsfan]

Can i ask you say no?

Because without Russ the seahawks would be a 3-13 team or worse.

No.




hehe

I haven't actually looked very close to be honest.

 

[NEPatsfan]

No actually he's clueless. The stats I posted were correct, he simply assumed I didn't include their rushing stats, when I fact I did.

You shouldn't assume. And you fell for what he posted.

@Myles his entire premise was that I used incorrect stats, because he assumed I didn't account for their running ability, and he was wrong. You assumed he was correct, which in turn made you wrong.

 

[Yam]

He's better in 4 of them, the same in 1 of them, and weaker in 2 of them, and those 2 have something in common.

He's .759 vs the rest of the AFC, compared to .778 in the east, pretty much the same.

Sooooo he's NOT "just as good if not better than every other division"?

Cool.

 

[Myles]

Can i ask you say no?

Because without Russ the seahawks would be a 3-13 team or worse.

Pats have a .750 win % without Tom.

 

[NEPatsfan]

Sooooo he's NOT "just as good if not better than every other division"?

Cool.

Sooooo you are hanging on to the literal meaning, based on a couple of west coast divisions where he hasn't as much success, though he has winning % against them too.

You are simply being dishonest trying to argue you were only talking about those two divisions.

 

[Myles]

Sooooo you are hanging on to the literal meaning, .

He proved what you literally said to be false.

 

[Judge Fudge]

No.




hehe

I haven't actually looked very close to be honest.

Russell Wilson Stats | Pro-Football-Reference.com

He has been the reason that we are still in playoff contention. With our depleted defense

 

[NEPatsfan]

He proved what you literally said to be false.

Yes he was able to find 2 out of 7 divisions where that was the case, and both had the same thing in common, they were western divs. Congrats.

Meanwhile it doesn't change the premise that the East isn't why he is winning, when it's not even his best div historically to face, and in fact there are several others, not just two.

Here is the updated list.

Vs

AFCE .779
AFCN .816
AFCS .854
AFCW .634

NFCE .737
NFCN .824
NFCS .810
NFCW .643

2 where it is lesser, 1 that is statisically the same, and 4 where it's greater.

Tom Brady doesn't win year in and year out because of the AFCE.

 

[NEPatsfan]

Russell Wilson Stats | Pro-Football-Reference.com

He has been the reason that we are still in playoff contention. With our depleted defense

Strong season, but the 6 losses will be the downfall in the voting I think.

 

[Scooby-Doo]

Tom Brady 2017 ≈4400 30 TD's, 1 game remaining

so huh? Was that from another post, and if so was it a typo?

You were making the argument that TB had comparable stats to other MVP's and you gave the example of Aaron Rodgers in 2015 where he wasn't the MVP. I pointed out Rodgers was the MVP in 2014 not 2015. You gave an example to help your argument which wasn't even relevant.

Rodgers 2014 ≈ 4400 Yards, 38 TD's 5 Int's, 270 Rushing Yards, 2 Rushing TD's, 2 Lost Fumbles
Brady 2017 ≈ 4400 Yards, 30 TD's, 8 Int's, 25 Rushing Yards, 0 Rushing TD's, 3 Lost Fumbles

Rodgers Total 2014 ≈ 4670 Total Yards, 40 Total TD's, 7 Total TO's
Brady Total 2017 ≈ 4425 Total Yards, 30 Total TD's, 11 Total TO's

Is there a clear difference? You be the judge

 

[Judge Fudge]

Strong season, but the 6 losses will be the downfall in the voting I think.

But i think a Atlanta loss and Seahawks take care of biz-a-ness on Sunday afternoon would help his cause

 

[NEPatsfan]

You were making the argument that TB had comparable stats to other MVP's and you gave the example of Aaron Rodgers in 2015 where he wasn't the MVP. I pointed out Rodgers was the MVP in 2014 not 2015. You gave an example to help your argument which wasn't even relevant.

Rodgers 2014 ≈ 4400 Yards, 38 TD's 5 Int's, 270 Rushing Yards, 2 Rushing TD's, 2 Lost Fumbles
Brady 2017 ≈ 4400 Yards, 30 TD's, 8 Int's, 25 Rushing Yards, 0 Rushing TD's, 3 Lost Fumbles

Rodgers Total 2014 ≈ 4670 Total Yards, 40 Total TD's, 7 Total TO's
Brady Total 2017 ≈ 4425 Total Yards, 30 Total TD's, 11 Total TO's

Is there a clear difference? You be the judge

Looks like on the pro football reference list I pulled the wrong line when switching from MVP page to the player page. Congrats, you found one that was in error, although you say nothing about your being wrong about the other players, and your assumption I didn't include the rushing stats for McNair and Newton.

I never said there weren't players that didn't have better statisical seasons, as you seem to be latching onto, I pointed out he is having a season similar to previous winners, NOT ALL.

So we'll call it 2 mistakes by you to 1 by me. Mmmkay.

 

[Judge Fudge]

You were making the argument that TB had comparable stats to other MVP's and you gave the example of Aaron Rodgers in 2015 where he wasn't the MVP. I pointed out Rodgers was the MVP in 2014 not 2015. You gave an example to help your argument which wasn't even relevant.

Rodgers 2014 ≈ 4400 Yards, 38 TD's 5 Int's, 270 Rushing Yards, 2 Rushing TD's, 2 Lost Fumbles
Brady 2017 ≈ 4400 Yards, 30 TD's, 8 Int's, 25 Rushing Yards, 0 Rushing TD's, 3 Lost Fumbles

Rodgers Total 2014 ≈ 4670 Total Yards, 40 Total TD's, 7 Total TO's
Brady Total 2017 ≈ 4425 Total Yards, 30 Total TD's, 11 Total TO's

Is there a clear difference? You be the judge

I thought i was?

 

[NEPatsfan]

But i think a Atlanta loss and Seahawks take care of biz-a-ness on Sunday afternoon would help his cause

Maybe.

 

[NEPatsfan]

@Yam @Myles

Tom Brady now has a winning record vs every team in the NFL except for Denver, which he now stands at 8-9. But yeah, it's the fact he plays in the AFCE.

 

[Myles]

@Yam @Myles

Tom Brady now has a winning record vs every team in the NFL except for Denver, which he now stands at 8-9. But yeah, it's the fact he plays in the AFCE.

I never said anything about the AFC East.

You do twist stats around quite a bit.

 

[NEPatsfan]

I never said anything about the AFC East.

You do twist stats around quite a bit.

You jumped on his train though about the divs.


Here's another stat for you, and @Yam , more so yam than you,

Brady vs the whole NFL .769

Brady vs the AFCE .779

Brady vs the rest of the NFL .764


Yup he only wins because of he plays in the AFCE.