Never too Early to Talk Draft

Old Lion · Dec 5, 2022

Big_Blue_72 said:
If Romeo comes back fully healthy and shows he is what we saw back in 2020 then having Paschal and Romeo at the big end position might be good enough. However, if I were Holmes, I'd still re-sign Cominsky to a short-term contract to be on the safe side.

Houston is currently a pass-rush specialist only is still a year maybe or more away from being prototypical DE and he may very well never be an all-out diverse DE. They tried him out during camp as an off-the-ball LB, but it was too much for him. He had one year at Jackson State as an edge rusher and Deion Sanders told him then that his days of being an off-the-ball LB were left behind while he was playing that position for Florida.

I like what Houston has showed as a pass-rush specialist and if that's his forte while being a 6th round pick, then so be it. I'll take that pretty much every draft.

Lots of ifs at DE. I would take Carter first. He would be a perfect fit inside.

Gulf of Brazil · Dec 5, 2022

Old Lion said:
Lots of ifs at DE. I would take Carter first. He would be a perfect fit inside.

Exactly.

Most of these players listed by @elguapo are more than likely destined for a 3-4 Base, imo only, and it leaves many of the rest named to be considered who may not be productive in the lions 4-3 Base.

Tyree Wilson might be "the outlier" here but even that is highly questionable as he's more inclined to be a "Big End" just as much as Myles Murphy.

I'm not impressed with K-State DE Anuduke-Uzomah. I was quite intrigued with him until thoroughly watching his entire last two games. Each teams LT pretty much dominated him for most of the game. I do believe he had two sacks versus TCU though, but he was constantly driven into the ground the majority of his pass rushes.

Mebert · Dec 5, 2022

Big_Blue_72 said:
Exactly.

Most of these players listed by @elguapo are more than likely destined for a 3-4 Base, imo only, and it leaves many of the rest named to be considered who may not be productive in the lions 4-3 Base.

Tyree Wilson might be "the outlier" here but even that is highly questionable as he's more inclined to be a "Big End" just as much as Myles Murphy.

I'm not impressed with K-State DE Anuduke-Uzomah. I was quite intrigued with him until thoroughly watching his entire last two games. Each teams LT pretty much dominated him for most of the game. I do believe he had two sacks versus TCU though, but he was constantly driven into the ground the majority of his pass rushes.

McNeil is becoming a star, I know a different type than Carter, but we still have a very good talent in the middle. I am also warry to write of Onwuzurike already, I did with Okudah, and once he was healthy he is becoming what we hoped. I want to believe Levi is the same. Add in Cominsky can play all over the line, including moving inside on passing down I just don't love a top 5 pick on the interior of the D line.

elguapo · Dec 5, 2022

Mebert said:
McNeil is becoming a star, I know a different type than Carter, but we still have a very good talent in the middle. I am also warry to write of Onwuzurike already, I did with Okudah, and once he was healthy he is becoming what we hoped. I want to believe Levi is the same. Add in Cominsky can play all over the line, including moving inside on passing down I just don't love a top 5 pick on the interior of the D line.

This is what I meant by value added from post above. if a 90 is replacing an 82 is that better then an 85 replacing a 75? I really am starting to feel best CB and then LB Simpson would do wonders for our defense.

Now, if we think Carter is the next Aaron Donald and affect run and pass plays, that may be a different story.

Not arguing either way, seriously puzzled by the current state of our defense

Mebert · Dec 5, 2022

elguapo said:
This is what I meant by value added from post above. if a 90 is replacing an 82 is that better then an 85 replacing a 75? I really am starting to feel best CB and then LB Simpson would do wonders for our defense.

Now, if we think Carter is the next Aaron Donald and affect run and pass plays, that may be a different story.

Not arguing either way, seriously puzzled by the current state of our defense

Honestly, Lions need defense for every level, maybe some need greater than others, but improvement anywhere helps. I think the absolute greatest need the team has is a linebacker that can cover. Simpson seems like the best for that, not sure where he is supposed to go though.

I will be happy with any combination of defense picked in the 1st 3 rounds, I may have some preferences, but you can't look at this defense and think any spot is locked down....maybe Safety?

Gulf of Brazil · Dec 5, 2022

The following is strictly my take, subjectively, on the 2023 Edge Draft Class when considering their fit with the Lions.

Big Ends Myles Murphy, Tyree Wilson, Colby Wooden, Mike Morris, Zach Harrison.
I'm sure there are others, but I currently cannot recall names at this time.
We currently have Cominsky, Paschal and hopefully Romeo to occupy that role.

Weakside Edge Rusher Lions need (over/outside opponents LT)
Foskey, Anuduke-Uzomah - he's raw in the toolbox and as a run defender, KJ Henry, Adebawore - same as Uzomah, Dylan Horton
The "only one" of these directly above named I feel comfortable with is Foskey and that's still questionable.

Better fit in a 3-4 Base for the NFL
Verse - he misses a high% of tackles and lacks strength versus the run - 1-year at FSU after transferring from Albany University, D. Hall, BJ Ojulari, B. Young

Ojulari might be the one of these directly above who may possibly fit in at the weakside. He's kind of a Charles Harris clone

Gulf of Brazil · Dec 5, 2022

elguapo said:
Now, if we think Carter is the next Aaron Donald and affect run and pass plays, that may be a different story.

It's hard to tell exactly what any of these prospects might turn into becoming or comparing them to players already in the league.

I, for one, certainly do not see Jalen Carter becoming an Aaron Donald type of player, but I read your point.

Gulf of Brazil · Dec 5, 2022

elguapo said:
I really am starting to feel best CB and then LB Simpson would do wonders for our defense.

Currently Holmes hasn't showed any hint of value towards an off-the-ball LB. In all fairness, it's nearly impossible to judge his valued positions or his intentions with only 2 years of drafting behind him. Holmes definitely had the option in both of his drafts to select an off-the-ball LB and a Safety. I have no clue to date on how to read his traits and I don't consider who Les Snead drafted even though Holmes what his Director of CFB scouting.

Mebert · Dec 5, 2022

Big_Blue_72 said:
Currently Holmes hasn't showed any hint of value towards an off-the-ball LB. In all fairness, it's nearly impossible to judge his valued positions or his intentions with only 2 years of drafting behind him. Holmes definitely had the option in both of his drafts to select an off-the-ball LB and a Safety. I have no clue to date on how to read his traits and I don't consider who Les Snead drafted even though Holmes what his Director of CFB scouting.

His history for that predates joining the Lions as well. I would be shocked if we get a 1st round LB. With Rodriguez outplaying his draft slot, and Barnes looking like he is turning a corner he may have a point. Even if none of them can cover for shit.

Gulf of Brazil · Dec 5, 2022

Mebert said:
Lions need defense for every level

Mebert said:
I think the absolute greatest need the team has is a linebacker that can cover

Mebert said:
but you can't look at this defense and think any spot is locked down.

100 regarding all three, but you honestly shouldn't be counting on Levi to hopefully recover. That's bad business decision making. Obviously, we as fans have no clue what type of back surgery he had or how he'll rehab and possibly provide for the team in the future, but the fact remains that Jalen Carter is still perceived as the much better prospect of the two and it isn't even close.

I also am not one who likes to draft an interior DL anywhere in the top 5 yet alone top 10 from a personal standpoint. However, if you don't fix the iDL AND edge players who can control, maintain gaps and seal the edges, then you're hurting your LB corps whether they are a MIKE or WILL as both need to provide run support. Fixing both Edge and interior DL will also benefit the CB group as well.

We still are in dire need to draft not just an outside CB but quite possibly the NB position as well.

Edonidd · Dec 5, 2022

Big_Blue_72 said:
It's hard to tell exactly what any of these prospects might turn into becoming or comparing them to players already in the league.

I, for one, certainly do not see Jalen Carter becoming an Aaron Donald type of player, but I read your point.

Yeah I don't see Aaron Donald. He's an all time great or possibly THE all time great.

I do see a lot of Chris Jones though. I'll take that.

Mebert · Dec 5, 2022

Edonidd said:
Yeah I don't see Aaron Donald. He's an all time great or possibly THE all time great.

I do see a lot of Chris Jones though. I'll take that.

I would spend a top 5 on Chris Jones in his prime

Gulf of Brazil · Dec 5, 2022

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