NBA OFF TOPIC THREAD

[trojanfan12]

Not sure if the security on site at the school was armed or not but the shooter killed that guy before entering.

I heard it was one of the pursuing officers that engaged him and got shot. Security, armed or not, isn't what I'm talking about though. I'm talking about actual police officers who are trained in dealing with school situations. Security guards don't even have standard police training unless they happen to be retired police officers. Let alone, school training.

 

[Stakesarehigh]

It was ended by a brave member of a border patrol unit who arrived and went in without back up. He threw away the whole “no win” situation shit and likely reduced the number of deaths with his bravery.

Exactly. You have thousands of hours of training for this reason man.

 

[Stakesarehigh]

I heard it was one of the pursuing officers that engaged him and got shot. Security, armed or not, isn't what I'm talking about though. I'm talking about actual police officers who are trained in dealing with school situations. Security guards don't even have standard police training unless they happen to be retired police officers. Let alone, school training.

They should definitely have a thorough active shooter training though. I get it isn't all encompassing but mine sure as shit doesn't say let the intruder hold down a locked room with 30 children for an hour.

 

[Heatles84]

Why are we coming at angry and frustrated basketball coaches who are fed up with these stories for solutions? I think that expectation is fucked up. You should also know that your fixes are incredibly expensive and that people hate taxes especially school taxes when they have grown children or no children at all and don’t make use of the public school systems. Many private schools around the country are just getting by with tight budgets as well. Many of your fixes require investments in infrastructure and in hiring personnel. Is America willing to pay for that in all of what amounts to something like 10,000 school districts all over America.

I see and share Kerr’s frustration. Columbine occurred in 1999 4 months before I started my teaching career and in all that time the people whose job it is to try and address this problem have done nothing because they’ve turned this into another political football for us to scream past each other.

Well, Kerr is the one that demands something to be done without providing a viable solution. Again, more security and protection for schools would be ideal and a good start. Wasn't long ago, Kerr was pandering for social justice and wanted to eliminate police from schools entirely.

In terms of cost, I mean, we've given Ukraine what, $53 billion in the last month. If we have that kind of money to give other countries, why couldn't that have been allocated for security measures?

What is your approach? Eliminate guns altogether? If so, you'll be saddened to the negative consequences of that.

And in terms of investments in infrastructure, wasn't that what Biden's campaign was built on?

 

[trojanfan12]

They should definitely have a thorough active shooter training though. I get it isn't all encompassing but mine sure as shit doesn't say let the intruder hold down a locked room with 30 children for an hour.

Agree and it's certainly not a knock against them. The problem is that schools present problems that no other situation presents. It's a lot of scared children with few adults, classrooms typically have one entrance/exit and between classes is even more chaotic. So it requires more specialized training.

Another thing with having officers assigned to the schools is that it means there will be a police car parked at the school so criminals know there is a police presence. A criminal is less likely to do something if they know the police are there.

 

[fightinfunbags]

Well, Kerr is the one that demands something to be done without providing a viable solution. Again, more security and protection for schools would be ideal and a good start. Wasn't long ago, Kerr was pandering for social justice and wanted to eliminate police from schools entirely.

In terms of cost, I mean, we've given Ukraine what, $53 billion in the last month. If we have that kind of money to give other countries, why couldn't that have been allocated for security measures?

What is your approach? Eliminate guns altogether? If so, you'll be saddened to the negative consequences of that.

And in terms of investments in infrastructure, wasn't that what Biden's campaign was built on?

I really don’t want to turn this into more tribal bull shit. That’s why 23 years have produced little action. I don’t want to take guns away from law abiding citizens. Texas recently changed their law restricting purchases from the age of 21 to the age of 18. This person wouldn’t have been able to legally purchase a gun if that law wasn’t recently changed. I also believe strongly in red flag laws. There’s no reason on earth where that Buffalo shooter should have been able to purchase a fire arm when in his past he was interviewed by law enforcement after expressing thoughts about murder suicide in a school. We need to do a better job administrating and enforcing existing laws.

But all of that won’t truly address the problem. The problem is that America has fetishized guns. American culture loves their fire arms. We also have a culture of violence. These two things working together are a horrible equation. The change that is needed isn’t going to come from laws or politics. We need cultural change from within. That’s easier said than done. I’m not sure how we can change that culture when we are already so far gone.

 

[thunderc]

I heard it was one of the pursuing officers that engaged him and got shot. Security, armed or not, isn't what I'm talking about though. I'm talking about actual police officers who are trained in dealing with school situations. Security guards don't even have standard police training unless they happen to be retired police officers. Let alone, school training.

I agree a million percent. It could actually help with the perception of police as well, especially in the inner cities. I don’t even want to hear about cost, we spend money on things much less important than this.

 

[fightinfunbags]

I agree a million percent. It could actually help with the perception of police as well, especially in the inner cities. I don’t even want to hear about cost, we spend money on things much less important than this.

At the national level? I agree. But in America 90% of school funding comes at the local level.

 

[thunderc]

At the national level? I agree. But in America 90% of school funding comes at the local level.

Honestly I don’t care where the money comes from. Admittedly all this would do is shift the troubled to act at other venues but we just have to take our chances with that.

 

[trojanfan12]

You should also know that your fixes are incredibly expensive and that people hate taxes especially school taxes when they have grown children or no children at all and don’t make use of the public school systems.

Actually, a police presence doesn't have to be expensive for the schools. In the departments that I worked with (2 city depts and a Sherriff dept.) school resource officers were part of the police budget. What is expensive is when schools have to pay for a security service out of the school or district budget.

 

[trojanfan12]

I agree a million percent. It could actually help with the perception of police as well, especially in the inner cities. I don’t even want to hear about cost, we spend money on things much less important than this.

In my experience, on the elementary and middle school campuses, the school resource officers were as or more popular than most of the teachers. Sometimes the SRO looked like the pied piper they had so many kids following them around.

On high school campuses, they were treated about the same as the teachers. But those are teenagers soooo...lol

 

[Heatles84]

I really don’t want to turn this into more tribal bull shit. That’s why 23 years have produced little action. I don’t want to take guns away from law abiding citizens. Texas recently changed their law restricting purchases from the age of 21 to the age of 18. This person wouldn’t have been able to legally purchase a gun if that law wasn’t recently changed. I also believe strongly in red flag laws. There’s no reason on earth where that Buffalo shooter should have been able to purchase a fire arm when in his past he was interviewed by law enforcement after expressing thoughts about murder suicide in a school. We need to do a better job administrating and enforcing existing laws.

But all of that won’t truly address the problem. The problem is that America has fetishized guns. American culture loves their fire arms. We also have a culture of violence. These two things working together are a horrible equation. The change that is needed isn’t going to come from laws or politics. We need cultural change from within. That’s easier said than done. I’m not sure how we can change that culture when we are already so far gone.

I think this the most accurate post anywhere on Sportshoopla entirely. Our culture has gone to shit in the last 20+ years. Guns have always been a thing, school shootings have only gone up significantly since 1999. The rot is set in, and it's bad. And I don't want to make it tribal, I'm glad at least you understand the root cause vs let's just eliminate guns.

 

[DJ Fieri]

Video games.

These fuckers are getting desensitized to violence. Back in the day, my best friend and I played Super Mario Brothers 3.....fantasy shit. Not this new age of Grand Theft Auto and military shoot 'em ups. Trying to up your kills and shit. Add in mental illness and nerds getting bullied at school.....and you have some fucked up young people.

 

[trojanfan12]

I really don’t want to turn this into more tribal bull shit. That’s why 23 years have produced little action. I don’t want to take guns away from law abiding citizens. Texas recently changed their law restricting purchases from the age of 21 to the age of 18. This person wouldn’t have been able to legally purchase a gun if that law wasn’t recently changed. I also believe strongly in red flag laws. There’s no reason on earth where that Buffalo shooter should have been able to purchase a fire arm when in his past he was interviewed by law enforcement after expressing thoughts about murder suicide in a school. We need to do a better job administrating and enforcing existing laws.

But all of that won’t truly address the problem. The problem is that America has fetishized guns. American culture loves their fire arms. We also have a culture of violence. These two things working together are a horrible equation. The change that is needed isn’t going to come from laws or politics. We need cultural change from within. That’s easier said than done. I’m not sure how we can change that culture when we are already so far gone.

Agree. Every time something like this happens it devolves into the same tired argument. One side starts calling for more laws and/or banning guns altogether while the other side argues about their 2nd Amendment rights...none of which addresses the problem of the rando crazy person who decides to shoot up a school, mall, church, workplace or synagogue.

Hard to solve a problem if we can't even discuss what the actual problem is.

 

[Stakesarehigh]

I agree a million percent. It could actually help with the perception of police as well, especially in the inner cities. I don’t even want to hear about cost, we spend money on things much less important than this.

As I said most inner city schools I know of have a police presence on site

Mine certainly did.

 

[trojanfan12]

Video games.

These fuckers are getting desensitized to violence. Back in the day, my best friend and I played Super Mario Brothers 3.....fantasy shit. Not this new age of Grand Theft Auto and military shoot 'em ups. Trying to up your kills and shit. Add in mental illness and nerds getting bullied at school.....and you have some fucked up young people.

I agree to a point. I checked out on video games when everything moved on from Sega Genesis which was all cartoon stuff. Video games are so much more realistic now. My son is 25, so before I buy video games for the grandsons, I ask him if it's appropriate.

The bigger problem, imo, is letting them play for hours at a time with no break.

 

[DJ Fieri]

I agree to a point. I checked out on video games when everything moved on from Sega Genesis which was all cartoon stuff. Video games are so much more realistic now. My son is 25, so before I buy video games for the grandsons, I ask him if it's appropriate.

The bigger problem, imo, is letting them play for hours at a time with no break.

For a lot of parents, the video games are their babysitting so to speak.

Parents working 2-3 jobs or just not involved enough in their kids lives.....

 

[Heatles84]

Video games.

These fuckers are getting desensitized to violence. Back in the day, my best friend and I played Super Mario Brothers 3.....fantasy shit. Not this new age of Grand Theft Auto and military shoot 'em ups. Trying to up your kills and shit. Add in mental illness and nerds getting bullied at school.....and you have some fucked up young people.

Let's not blame video games here. Broken homes are the real culprit here. The shooter in the Uvalde shooting had a broken home and was forced to live with his grandmother. Having a more stable foundation in family values is a better start. Look at our culture as a whole compared to other countries - it's shit.

 

[DJ Fieri]

Let's not blame video games here. Broken homes are the real culprit here. The shooter in the Uvalde shooting had a broken home and was forced to live with his grandmother. Having a more stable foundation in family values is a better start. Look at our culture as a whole compared to other countries - it's shit.

Check out my followup comment.

 

[DJ Fieri]