NBA OFF TOPIC THREAD

[Wamu]

Darnold = just a guy you will never win big with
Mayfield = just a guy you will never win big with

Why are you lobbying on this message board? None of us are in a position to trade for your fluke trash anyway so why the snow job?

All I'm saying is Mayfield's better than Darnold. And the numbers back that up. But I'm sure your bogus eye test says something else.

 

[fightinfunbags]

Because you asked if Baker is better than Darnold and he is. 6-8 games bigger? No, but 2-3 not unreasonable.

Now if you want to say not enough to pay Baker to win 2-3 extra games I would not disagree.

I have two grades - good enough and not good enough and both Darnold and Mayfield = Not good enough.

 

[fightinfunbags]

All I'm saying is Mayfield's better than Darnold. And the numbers back that up. But I'm sure your bogus eye test says something else.

Yep. Both guys are just a guy in a league that has more teams than actual quality championship level QBs.

 

[DJ Fieri]

Murray is actually a QB though. Jackson is an athlete playing QB. Murray is legitimately a dual threat. Jackson is the epitome of inconsistency as a passer. That’s why Baltimore would be giving up on him. In the Murray scenario it’s because the Cardinals want to see more before committing to big QB $.

You missed Murray's playoff game? LOL.

19 of 34 for 137 yards with 2 INT's?

 

[fightinfunbags]

Baker was a top 10 QB per QBR and PFF that year. That playoff game we won? 2 starters on the OL were out as were their backups AND one of their backups. He met Blake Hance for the first time when he entered that game. The D was awful in 2020, as well.

You mean the game the floundering Steelers gave away with like 3 1Q turnovers? That’s the one playoff win we’re talking about right?

 

[DJ Fieri]

Carolina lost 6 games by a total of 39 points last season.

You put Mayfield's "bad season on the Browns" on that Panthers and they probably win 4 or 5 more games.

That's 9 or 10 wins for that team last season.

 

[fightinfunbags]

You missed Murray's playoff game? LOL.

19 of 34 for 137 yards with 2 INT's?

And he was without DeAndre Hopkins. Right or wrong Murray was very dependent upon him. When everybody else in that WR corp moved up a spot they all were revealed to be subpar in that role.

 

[dtgold88]

I have two grades - good enough and not good enough and both Darnold and Mayfield = Not good enough.

Cool....but the discussion was who is better and you tried to rip someone for saying it's clear Baker is the better player.

I have 2 grades for posters/comments - irrational or rational. Your recent comments on this matter fall under the former.

 

[dtgold88]

Carolina lost 6 games by a total of 39 points last season.

You put Mayfield's "bad season on the Browns" on that Panthers and they probably win 4 or 5 more games.

That's 9 or 10 wins for that team last season.

A healthy Baker? Maybe...but not last year's version of Baker as he had a hard time coming through in close games last season.

 

[fightinfunbags]

Cool....but the discussion was who is better and you tried to rip someone for saying it's clear Baker is the better player.

I have 2 grades for posters/comments - irrational or rational. Your recent comments on this matter fall under the former.

And the follow up question was if so, how much better and that gap isn’t vast by any means. We’ve never seen Darnold with a decent roster around him.

 

[Shanemansj13]

Sizeable gap IMO. Mayfield is a viable starting QB; Darnold is a stop-gap at best.

Career #s:

Mayfield: 60 games, 61.6%, 14125 yards, 7.3 avg, 92 TD, 56 INT, 134 sacks, 87.8 rating
Darnold: 50 games, 59.8%, 10624 yards, 6.5 avg, 54 TD, 52 INT, 133 sacks, 76.9 rating

Darnold's best year is closest to Mayfield's worst, when he played through a shoulder injury last year. Baker's 2018 and 2020 are light year's better than anything Darnold has done to date, and I'm not close to being a Baker apologist lol.

Yeah it's not close. I don't know why they people are comparing the two. Mayfield might not be a franchise QB but Darnold is a borderline starter/backup QB. Mayfield is a mid to lower tier starting QB at worst.

 

[Shanemansj13]

Sorry. I’m not a former high school soccer player who played JV his senior year so I know better than to lean solely on stats. I’ve actually evaluated QB play for years and I know what I’m doing. The biggest difference between Mayfield and Darnold is the quality of the roster around them. Both guys are subpar and not good enough. Either guy is a stop gap until Corral is ready. Mayfield isn’t good enough to divert from that plan and they already have a stop gap in place that knows the system, the coaching staff knows him, and he doesn’t cost any further draft capital to acquire. For me, it’s a nonsensical move. I think the only thing you have going for you here is that Carolina is a bad organization. So it’s plausible they would do something stupid. You could likely get a job in their front office to be honest. You’re as clueless as they are.

That's what I thought with Darnold as a possibility but nope, he is that bad. He isn't a starter in this league anymore. He is backup material like Drew Lock but at least Lock is younger and has a glimmer of hope. It's over for Darnold

 

[Shanemansj13]

Darnold = just a guy you will never win big with
Mayfield = just a guy you will never win big with

Why are you lobbying on this message board? None of us are in a position to trade for your fluke trash anyway so why the snow job?

You could say that for 90% of the league, you realize that right. Last time I checked Mayfield was one drive away from beating the SB Chiefs. Darnold can't even win games on sub-par Panthers team.
You do realize there is a big gap between a backup QB and sub-par starting QB. Nobody is saying Baker is leading Carolina to a SB if he were to be in Carolina but if the Browns are covering 50% of Baker's salary you are paying him $9M at most and it's for one year. You likely don't have to give up assets, maybe a late round pick. That is a bargain. Carolina's QB room is backups at this point.

So your point is you don't see a difference between a backup and lower to mid tier starting QB in this league? Yikes lol

 

[fightinfunbags]

That's what I thought with Darnold as a possibility but nope, he is that bad. He isn't a starter in this league anymore. He is backup material like Drew Lock but at least Lock is younger and has a glimmer of hope. It's over for Darnold

Not gonna disagree. The blind spot is that you don’t see that applies for Mayfield as well. One more team will give him a shot to fail as a starter and then like Darnold he’ll be a ball cap and clipboard guy. The major difference between Darnold and Mayfield’s arc is that Mayfield wasn’t a Jet.

 

[fightinfunbags]

You could say that for 90% of the league, you realize that right. Last time I checked Mayfield was one drive away from beating the SB Chiefs. Darnold can't even win games on sub-par Panthers team.
You do realize there is a big gap between a backup QB and sub-par starting QB. Nobody is saying Baker is leading Carolina to a SB if he were to be in Carolina but if the Browns are covering 50% of Baker's salary you are paying him $9M at most and it's for one year. You likely don't have to give up assets, maybe a late round pick. Your QB room is backups at this point.

So your point is you don't see a difference between a backup and lower to mid tier starting QB in this league? Maybe you don't need to evaluate QB's lol

I don’t even see Mayfield as a lower tier starting QB. He was in a great situation. And the Browns were down what? Like 18 points when Mahomes goes out of that game? Please…he’s isn’t your QB anymore. You don’t need to lie to yourself propping him up with one play away from beating Chad Henne. He’s no longer your problem.

 

[dtgold88]

And the follow up question was if so, how much better and that gap isn’t vast by any means. We’ve never seen Darnold with a decent roster around him.

I mean, I've seen Baker perform well under not so great circumstances. His receivers have never been anything special.

 

[dtgold88]

I don’t even see Mayfield as a lower tier starting QB. He was in a great situation. And the Browns were down what? Like 18 points when Mahomes goes out of that game? Please…he’s isn’t your QB anymore. You don’t need to lie to yourself propping him up with one play away from beating Chad Henne. He’s no longer your problem.

works the other way too....don't need to make up a narrative to suit your agenda either.

 

[fightinfunbags]

works the other way too....don't need to make up a narrative to suit your agenda either.

It’s not an “agenda” to say that a subpar QB is a subpar QB. It’s a sports conversation not some conspiracy against the guy. He isn’t good and that’s probably why your franchise quit on him to instead take on a rapist and the public relations hit that comes with. They chose to give up assets, pay the QB more, and take on all that baggage cause Mayfield blows.

 

[DJ Fieri]

Yeah it's not close. I don't know why they people are comparing the two. Mayfield might not be a franchise QB but Darnold is a borderline starter/backup QB. Mayfield is a mid to lower tier starting QB at worst.

This.

 

[dtgold88]

It’s not an “agenda” to say that a subpar QB is a subpar QB. It’s a sports conversation not some conspiracy against the guy. He isn’t good and that’s probably why your franchise quit on him to instead take on a rapist and the public relations hit that comes with. They chose to give up assets, pay the QB more, and take on all that baggage cause Mayfield blows.

They moved on from him to get a top tier QB. Likely if no Watson available we go into next season with Baker as the QB. Baker has had 4 seasons. Played well in one, really well in another, pretty bad in a 3rd and awful in a 4th (hurt in the latter).

Thanks for proving my point.....again. Making it up as you go to support your obvious disdain for Baker, watson and/or the Browns.

Rapist?