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And you’re welcome to embrace an oversimplified view of a more nuanced and complex issue.
Lmao nothing nuanced about it. You sign a deal you honor it. He would be better off saying ok he is just going to play out his one year, have a hell of a year, and leave as a free agent. That’s called betting on yourself.
 

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lol

Nothing says "I got nothin" quite like trying to claim a contract is "nuanced".
Because two parties sign those contracts and when this topic comes up it’s always about one party “respecting the contract”.
 

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Lmao nothing nuanced about it. You sign a deal you honor it. He would be better off saying ok he is just going to play out his one year, have a hell of a year, and leave as a free agent. That’s called betting on yourself.
That’s called bad business in an industry when you have 10-12 years to maximize your career income.
 

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Damn.....I totally missed Willis helping a pregnant homeless woman last month.

Don't remember seeing that on any of the sports shows.
 

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Because two parties sign those contracts and when this topic comes up it’s always about one party “respecting the contract”.

It's typically only 1 side trying to break the contract and it's usually not the team.

It's about both parties respecting the contract. Both sides negotiated, an agreement was reached and both sides signed the contract. From what I have seen, the team intends to pay him, so they are respecting the contract. If he decides the amount he agreed to isn't enough to play for and sits out, he wouldn't be respecting the contract.
 

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It's typically only 1 side trying to break the contract and it's usually not the team.

It's about both parties respecting the contract. Both sides negotiated, an agreement was reached and both sides signed the contract. From what I have seen, the team intends to pay him, so they are respecting the contract. If he decides the amount he agreed to isn't enough to play for and sits out, he wouldn't be respecting the contract.
Did the Seahawks respect Bobby Wagner’s contract they committed to?
 

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Did the Seahawks respect Bobby Wagner’s contract they committed to?

Yes, they did. When they were able to legally release him, they did which freed him to sign with a Super Bowl contender. Up until they were able to release him they paid him according to the contract they both agreed to. That's why, in the NFL, the question is never really how much is the contract...it's about how much of the contract is guaranteed.
 

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Yes, they did. When they were able to legally release him, they did which freed him to sign with a Super Bowl contender. Up until they were able to release him they paid him according to the contract they both agreed to. That's why, in the NFL, the question is never really how much is the contract...it's about how much of the contract is guaranteed.
He was set to make 20 million dollars in 2022 and he will make around 5 million dollars. This reply isn’t intellectually honest. The Seahawks like most NFL teams decided that they didn’t have to honor all of the years and money they promised. NFL teams regularly tear up contracts when it’s convenient for them.
 

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He was set to make 20 million dollars in 2022 and he will make around 5 million dollars. This reply isn’t intellectually honest. The Seahawks like most NFL teams decided that they didn’t have to honor all of the years and money they promised. NFL teams regularly tear up contracts when it’s convenient for them.

lol

Wrong. They paid him his guaranteed money. That's how it works in the NFL. If the players want to have better contracts, they need to do a better job in the CBA. Players are only "promised the guaranteed amount in their contracts. It's why the Browns fully guaranteeing DeShaun Watsons contract was such a big deal.
 

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lol

Wrong. They paid him his guaranteed money. That's how it works in the NFL. If the players want to have better contracts, they need to do a better job in the CBA. Players are only "promised the guaranteed amount in their contracts. It's why the Browns fully guaranteeing DeShaun Watsons contract was such a big deal.
“How it works” in the NFL is that the game is rigged in favor of the owners and the players are expendable. That’s why you generally don’t see hold outs anymore in pro sports outside of the NFL. A player needs to exercise leverage when it’s provided because they know damn well that these owners wouldn’t honor the contracts they sign.
 

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“How it works” in the NFL is that the game is rigged in favor of the owners and the players are expendable. That’s why you generally don’t see hold outs anymore in pro sports outside of the NFL. A player needs to exercise leverage when it’s provided because they know damn well that these owners wouldn’t honor the contracts they sign.

Then, the players need to do a better job in their next CBA. As long as the team pays a player the money that was guaranteed in the contract, the team is honoring the contract. When the player decides to sit out because they no longer want to play for what they agreed to, they are not honoring their contract.
 

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Then, the players need to do a better job in their next CBA. As long as the team pays a player the money that was guaranteed in the contract, the team is honoring the contract. When the player decides to sit out because they no longer want to play for what they agreed to, they are not honoring their contract.
You don’t even realize that you’ve established my side of the argument. The contract itself is a slanted contract. In signing it, we all concur that the intent is owners to protect themselves. They don’t have to pay when a player outplays the terms and if the player falls short they get cut. The only factor in the dynamic to protect the player is the cap and the concept of dead money. Your response here reeks of Marie Antoinette’s let them eat cake (just negotiate a better system).
 

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Then, the players need to do a better job in their next CBA. As long as the team pays a player the money that was guaranteed in the contract, the team is honoring the contract. When the player decides to sit out because they no longer want to play for what they agreed to, they are not honoring their contract.
Bingo, but you aren’t going to sway people that don’t care about their name. Mine means something to me and I’m not not going to feel sorry for these guys just because they experience some of the things that all at will employees do.
 

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Bingo, but you aren’t going to sway people that don’t care about their name. Mine means something to me and I’m not not going to feel sorry for these guys just because they experience some of the things that all at eill rmployees do.
But you’re from a generation that has an entirely different mind set. No one cares if you “feel sorry” for anybody. Just shut your mouth when it comes to another man’s money and his ability to use his leverage to maximize his income. That’s it.
 

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But you’re from a generation that has an entirely different mind set. No one cares if you “feel sorry” for anybody. Just shut your mouth when it comes to another man’s money and his ability to use his leverage to maximize his income. That’s it.
Fuck you telling me what to do, now THAT is it. Fn millinial pussies.
 

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Fuck you telling me what to do, now THAT is it. Fn millinial pussies.
I’m Gen X. I’m sorry that you don’t appreciate real talk. I just take issue with the generation that introduced the world to 50% of all marriages ending in divorce preaching to people about the integrity of their word and the sanctity of a contract.
 

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You don’t even realize that you’ve established my side of the argument. The contract itself is a slanted contract. In signing it, we all concur that the intent is owners to protect themselves. They don’t have to pay when a player outplays the terms and if the player falls short they get cut. The only factor in the dynamic to protect the player is the cap and the concept of dead money. Your response here reeks of Marie Antoinette’s let them eat cake (just negotiate a better system).

No, you don't realize that this is on the players for not negotiating better and you are trying to move goalposts and pretend this is about whether or not the contracts are "fair". This is about honoring a legal, agreed to and signed contract. It doesn't matter if you, I, or anyone else thinks the contract is "fair". The only thing that matters is if the contract is legal.

You want to change the discussion because you know that a player refusing to play, has no legal leg to stand on. If you want to have a discussion that the contracts are "unfair", we can do that and I'd agree with you. But my answer to fixing it would still be...do a better job in the CBA. It's how NBA and MLB players have gotten the money and rights they have.
 

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I’m Gen X. I’m sorry that you don’t appreciate real talk. I just take issue with the generation that introduced the world to 50% of all marriages ending in divorce preaching to people about the integrity of their word and the sanctity of a contract.
I’m the youngest of the boomers, but I’m never going to stand down to anyone that thinks they can tell me to shut my mouth, about anything. You appear to have reached the age where you think you can generalize about people, that won’t serve you well when you run into someone like me. Good luck thinking you know everyrhing about people,
 
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