NBA OFF TOPIC THREAD

[DJ Fieri]

He dead.

 

[Wamu]

Exactly. They lean on an offensive line and running game in a league where just about everybody now throws like 60-65% of the time.

I'm laughing at the whole thing. I'm no real fan of Mayfield's. Ask any Browns fan in this thread. I only made that comment in hopes it would rile someone up. He's not a top 10 QB.

 

[DJ Fieri]

I'm laughing at the whole thing. I'm no real fan of Mayfield's. Ask any Browns fan in this thread. I only made that comment in hopes it would rile someone up. He's not a top 10 QB.

Carr is closer to being a top 10 QB than Mayfield.

And I think Carr is just outside the top 10.

 

[Wamu]

Carr is closer to being a top 10 QB than Mayfield.

And I think Carr is just outside the top 10.

Before I'd ever say he's a top 10 QB he needs to have multiple successful seasons. What he did last season doesn't put him in the top 10. But under Stephanski he looked like a different (and better) QB than his first two seasons.

 

[DJ Fieri]

Before I'd ever say he's a top 10 QB he needs to have multiple successful seasons. What he did last season doesn't put him in the top 10. But under Stephanski he looked like a different (and better) QB than his first two seasons.

I agree he played better last season but also want to see him perform better this season also.

So same basically.....LOL.

 

[bksballer89]

Carr is closer to being a top 10 QB than Mayfield.

And I think Carr is just outside the top 10.

They're basically on the same level.

 

[DJ Fieri]

They're basically on the same level.

I think Carr is a little better.

 

[bksballer89]

I did a list and baker is borderline top 10. Basically you can have an argument about him from 10-12

 

[Wamu]

I agree he played better last season but also want to see him perform better this season also.

So same basically.....LOL.

I totally agree with you. He needs to back his production up from last year.

 

[DJ Fieri]

I totally agree with you. He needs to back his production up from last year.

Carr has performed at a high level for multiple years so he has the edge IMO.

 

[bksballer89]

I fully expect Herbert and Burrow to pass both by end of next season at the latest....possibly end of this year

 

[fightinfunbags]

I'm laughing at the whole thing. I'm no real fan of Mayfield's. Ask any Browns fan in this thread. I only made that comment in hopes it would rile someone up. He's not a top 10 QB.

Ha! Ya got me.

 

[dtgold88]

You’re talking about players who have also played in offenses where they were asked to throw the ball some 35-40 times a game. And no, it’s not “all it takes”. This is what? The 6th or 7th piece of evidence provided in this discussion?

Look. Please decide what you want to use as your rules.....no matter what you want it's cool, but stick to your rules. and by your most recent rules, AR and Big Ben were game managers in the seasons in question.

 

[dtgold88]

Exactly. They lean on an offensive line and running game in a league where just about everybody now throws like 60-65% of the time.

They run a lot because they are good at it. Like nearly any team with any QB would do.

 

[dtgold88]

I agree he played better last season but also want to see him perform better this season also.

So same basically.....LOL.

The thing I don't get with Baker is why he's held to a different standard than other QB's. For example, he had a great rookie year, bad year 2 (with arguably the worst HC ever), and he's been really good ever since. Herbert has a great rookie year and people immediately want to put him in the HOF. Allen was nowhere near as good as Baker his rookie year, and he was just fair his 2nd year. Then he explodes year 3 and he's instantly in the top 5 elite category. He stunk week 1 as well, so he's been fair to bad way more than elite. I guess with Allen, he's improved each year, so I do see at least part of the difference, but he's also had stability in coaching/scheme, etc. It just seems like with Baker, no matter what he does he's never viewed as elite, even in an age where everything is what have you done lately (and he was elite 2nd half of last season).

 

[WiggyRuss]

Fair point. Can call him all the things he's not - game manager, one read QB, etc - and if he plays well enough to be a top 10 QB or better we should have a very good season.

he threw for 320 yards and completed 75% of his passes last game. If he keeps that up it wont be close. He was easily a top 10- statistically top 5 QB the last 8 games of last season once he learned the offense and got comfortable with it. What was he? like 16-3 TD to interception the last 8 games and had a QBR #2 to Rodgers the last 8 games?

 

[Shanemansj13]

The thing I don't get with Baker is why he's held to a different standard than other QB's. For example, he had a great rookie year, bad year 2 (with arguably the worst HC ever), and he's been really good ever since. Herbert has a great rookie year and people immediately want to put him in the HOF. Allen was nowhere near as good as Baker his rookie year, and he was just fair his 2nd year. Then he explodes year 3 and he's instantly in the top 5 elite category. He stunk week 1 as well, so he's been fair to bad way more than elite. I guess with Allen, he's improved each year, so I do see at least part of the difference, but he's also had stability in coaching/scheme, etc. It just seems like with Baker, no matter what he does he's never viewed as elite, even in an age where everything is what have you done lately (and he was elite 2nd half of last season).

Josh Allen had 1 HC and 1 OC his entire career...if he didn't he would probably still be garbage (lets just be real he had a remarkable turnaround-nfl history remarkable).
Makes all the difference in the world. Baker was more NFL ready. People just fall in love with Allen for many reasons, even when he was awful bc the big arm, athletic. I get it but you're right, it isn't fair.

Player A - 42 career starts - 61.7% 1,562 passes attempted, 9,707 passing yards 67 ptd's 31 int's - 90.0 passer rating, sacked 95 times. Team defensive ranks - '20- 18th, '19- 2nd, '18- 16th
Player B - 45 career starts - 62.1% 1,506 passes attempted, 11,115 passing yards 75 ptd's 43 int's - 89.3 passer rating, sacked 93 times. Team defensive ranks - '20- 21st, '19-20th, '18-21st

 

[trojanfan12]

Carr is closer to being a top 10 QB than Mayfield.

And I think Carr is just outside the top 10.

I heard yesterday, that in a poll of NFL execs, they had Carr ranked ahead of Baker. They didn't say how far apart they had them, just that Carr was ranked ahead of him.

 

[DJ Fieri]

I heard yesterday, that in a poll of NFL execs, they had Carr ranked ahead of Baker. They didn't say how far apart they had them, just that Carr was ranked ahead of him.

Smart.

Waiting for the Cleveland brigade (not you @Wamu, LOL) to show up and say why Baker is better.....

 

[DJ Fieri]

My 2021 QB Rankings

Week 1 Overreaction Update: 1. Mahomes - KC 2. Wilson - SEA 3. Brady - TB 4. Rodgers - GB 5. Murray - AZ 6. Allen - BUF 7. Jackson - BAL 8. Mayfield - CLE 9. Roethlisberger - PIT 10. Jimmy G - SF 11. Prescott - DAL 12. Herbert - LAC 13. Winston - NO 14. Taylor - HOU 15. Tannehill - TEN 16...

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You guys see this thread? LOL.

Has Stafford 16th, Carr 20th and a few more odd ones.....