NBA OFF TOPIC THREAD

[tlance]

I don’t think that’s dirty.

It isn’t illegal.

But it is for sure dirty.

Very dangerous play.

 

[DJ Fieri]

It isn’t illegal.

But it is for sure dirty.

Very dangerous play.

Yep.

And he also ended Hockenson's season too.

 

[fightinfunbags]

It isn’t illegal.

But it is for sure dirty.

Very dangerous play.

Yep.

And he also ended Hockenson's season too.

Before CTE and knowledge of concussions, DBs were taught to go high when attacking a receiver because the ball is high and the goal was separating the receiver from the football. It’s taken a long time and there is still work to be done on legislating the high hit over the middle out of the game. What’s left? What’s the defender supposed to do? The only other option is to go low. Both of you guys are citing an instance of a DB attempting to bring down a TE who is both taller and weighs more than the player. Players of smaller stature are taught to “chop the tree down”. You drive your body through the players legs to secure the tackle. If a DB tries to break down and do the old fashioned form tackle of hit, wrap, lift, drive, he’s not securing that tackle. If he can’t tackle at the safety position there goes the man’s livelihood. This play happens some 6-7 times in every football game. People are outcome oriented in declaring this to be a dirty play because the result was an injury. Football is a dangerous game. It is what it is.

 

[tlance]

Before CTE and knowledge of concussions, DBs were taught to go high when attacking a receiver because the ball is high and the goal was separating the receiver from the football. It’s taken a long time and there is still work to be done on legislating the high hit over the middle out of the game. What’s left? What’s the defender supposed to do? The only other option is to go low. Both of you guys are citing an instance of a DB attempting to bring down a TE who is both taller and weighs more than the player. Players of smaller stature are taught to “chop the tree down”. You drive your body through the players legs to secure the tackle. If a DB tries to break down and do the old fashioned form tackle of hit, wrap, lift, drive, he’s not securing that tackle. If he can’t tackle at the safety position there goes the man’s livelihood. This play happens some 6-7 times in every football game. People are outcome oriented in declaring this to be a dirty play because the result was an injury. Football is a dangerous game. It is what it is.

That is the same thing people said when the high hits were outlawed.

You ask WRs if they would rather high hits or low hits be outlawed, and almost all are going to say take out the low hit.

Is it harder to make that tackle if you have to go for the receiver’s hips instead of his head or his knees?

For sure. Like always, the defenders will adjust and the ones who adjust best will get compensated.

But if the league is really about player safety, it is an easy call. Protect the players.

 

[fightinfunbags]

It isn’t illegal.

But it is for sure dirty.

Very dangerous play.

Yep.

And he also ended Hockenson's season too.

Hard to call a player dirty when he’s coached to tackle this way.

 

[tlance]

Hard to call a player dirty when he’s coached to tackle this way.

Well…

His coach is the one who said he would “bite em in the knee caps”.

Dan Campbell is a good coach. But he will also do anything within the rules to give his team an edge.

The hit was legal.

But it is dangerous. And dirty.

If you want to call Dan Campbell dirty too, I won’t argue.

 

[fightinfunbags]

That is the same thing people said when the high hits were outlawed.

Head injuries can be debilitating in terms of future consequences. There are dozens of players who have committed suicide dealing with the aftermath of CTE and permanent damage to their brain. These are not comparable injuries at all. It was important for the NFL, college ball, and high school ball to take drastic measures to legislate this out of the game.

You ask WRs if they would rather high hits or low hits be outlawed, and almost all are going to say take out the low hit.

These are the same warriors that need to be protected from themselves and have independent neurologists evaluate them before going back into the game after contact to the head. Players kept their mouths shut for years for fear that they would be taken out of the game. I’ve seen it with high school kids. It’s very dangerous because we don’t have the staff to monitor every on field action while also coaching a game.

Is it harder to make that tackle if you have to go for the receiver’s hips instead of his head or his knees?

You never want to attack hips when tackling. You want to attack the thighs. That’s who you bring down a bigger player. Additionally, you’re demanding precision in hitting a target as these players play balls to the wall at a million miles an hour. Part of the reason why the thigh is targeted is because if you miss the precision you’re still in a good place to secure the tackle.

For sure. Like always, the defenders will adjust and the ones who adjust best will get compensated.

But if the league is really about player safety, it is an easy call. Protect the players.

Then here’s where we are now: you want to legislate the high hit and you want to legislate the low hit. If this push continues then we should just start embracing the fast growing nature of flag football and take tackling out of the game. It’s either a physical and violent game or it’s not. There’s little left that they can do to legislate how the game is played without completely altering the game itself.

 

[fightinfunbags]

Well…

His coach is the one who said he would “bite em in the knee caps”.

Dan Campbell is a good coach. But he will also do anything within the rules to give his team an edge.

The hit was legal.

But it is dangerous. And dirty.

If you want to call Dan Campbell dirty too, I won’t argue.

Im not calling anyone dirty. I’m arguing that this is just football and people are reacting in hindsight to a player injury.

 

[tlance]

Head injuries can be debilitating in terms of future consequences. There are dozens of players who have committed suicide dealing with the aftermath of CTE and permanent damage to their brain. These are not comparable injuries at all. It was important for the NFL, college ball, and high school ball to take drastic measures to legislate this out of the game.

These are the same warriors that need to be protected from themselves and have independent neurologists evaluate them before going back into the game after contact to the head. Players kept their mouths shut for years for fear that they would be taken out of the game. I’ve seen it with high school kids. It’s very dangerous because we don’t have the staff to monitor every on field action while also coaching a game.

You never want to attack hips when tackling. You want to attack the thighs. That’s who you bring down a bigger player. Additionally, you’re demanding precision in hitting a target as these players play balls to the wall at a million miles an hour. Part of the reason why the thigh is targeted is because if you miss the precision you’re still in a good place to secure the tackle.

Then here’s where we are now: you want to legislate the high hit and you want to legislate the low hit. If this push continues then we should just start embracing the fast growing nature of flag football and take tackling out of the game. It’s either a physical and violent game or it’s not. There’s little left that they can do to legislate how the game is played without completely altering the game itself.

Again, you are just going on how things have always been done.

You obviously know the fundamentals of football a lot better than I do. I’m not arguing about any of that.

Any decision that is designed to make the game safer is going to be harder for defenders. It is just the way it is.

I am sure you probably said the same things about rules made designed to protect QBs.

I don’t think QBs deserve special protection. Every players’ health is of equal importance.

Protect QB from the low hit, protect the ball carrier too.

 

[Stakesarehigh]

Hard to call a player dirty when he’s coached to tackle this way.

I mean.. every level is being coached to tackle hips down. Obviously there are blatant situations (Minkahs was close) where you hit an engaged player low and it is dirty but I don't see this as that

 

[fightinfunbags]

I mean.. every level is being coached to tackle hips down. Obviously there are blatant situations (Minkahs was close) where you hit an engaged player low and it is dirty but I don't see this as that

I wish the Matrix was never released. People seem to have this belief in their mind that in split seconds athletes have the ability to slow every thing down to a screeching halt so they can ensure that they hit at the ultimate desired point of contact on every attempted tackle. It just doesn’t work that way. In no way is this a dirty play.

 

[tlance]

I wish the Matrix was never released. People seem to have this belief in their mind that in split seconds athletes have the ability to slow every thing down to a screeching halt so they can ensure that they hit at the ultimate desired point of contact on every attempted tackle. It just doesn’t work that way. In no way is this a dirty play.

No man.

Again, what was your reaction when the low and high hits were outlawed in QBs in the pocket?

Of course it is hard.

But either you care about making the game safer for players or you don’t.

 

[Stakesarehigh]

No man.

Again, what was your reaction when the low and high hits were outlawed in QBs in the pocket?

Of course it is hard.

But either you care about making the game safer for players or you don’t.

is it necessarily safer if you're being asked to tackle Derek Henry around his waist every play though? I think you end up with more concussions among DBs.

Maybe this is a decent tool to employ for HS etc idk

Qbs are for the sake of TV ratings imo.

 

[trojanfan12]

Dan Quinn likely to get the Seahawks job.

@trojanfan12

Well, he looks like a football coach. lol

A little surprised that they're looking at a defense first coach.

Thought they'd go with an offense first coach.

 

[trojanfan12]

lol Geno Smith didn't have red flags?

he was horrible his first six years

granted... baker should be better given their relative draft spots

You read the "career backup" part, right?

 

[shopson67]

Head injuries can be debilitating in terms of future consequences. There are dozens of players who have committed suicide dealing with the aftermath of CTE and permanent damage to their brain. These are not comparable injuries at all. It was important for the NFL, college ball, and high school ball to take drastic measures to legislate this out of the game.

These are the same warriors that need to be protected from themselves and have independent neurologists evaluate them before going back into the game after contact to the head. Players kept their mouths shut for years for fear that they would be taken out of the game. I’ve seen it with high school kids. It’s very dangerous because we don’t have the staff to monitor every on field action while also coaching a game.

You never want to attack hips when tackling. You want to attack the thighs. That’s who you bring down a bigger player. Additionally, you’re demanding precision in hitting a target as these players play balls to the wall at a million miles an hour. Part of the reason why the thigh is targeted is because if you miss the precision you’re still in a good place to secure the tackle.

Then here’s where we are now: you want to legislate the high hit and you want to legislate the low hit. If this push continues then we should just start embracing the fast growing nature of flag football and take tackling out of the game. It’s either a physical and violent game or it’s not. There’s little left that they can do to legislate how the game is played without completely altering the game itself.

If players would actually wrap tackle vs drop the shoulder, a lot of this legislation wouldn't be necessary. Definition of tackle has moved considerably.

 

[shopson67]

You read the "career backup" part, right?

Geno wasn't a career backup. He, like Baker, lost his job before his rookie contract was up (a bit sooner though). Succeeded with his 4th team like Baker, just not in his first season with that team (as they had a starting QB in place, unlike the Bucs).

 

[thunderc]

Geno wasn't a career backup. He, like Baker, lost his job before his rookie contract was up (a bit sooner though). Succeeded with his 4th team like Baker, just not in his first season with that team (as they had a starting QB in place, unlike the Bucs).

Really interesting that they both had the same coordinator when they got it going again.

 

[shopson67]

Really interesting that they both had the same coordinator when they got it going again.

Maybe he deserves a promotion? He's interviewing with the Panthers today.

 

[thunderc]

Maybe he deserves a promotion? He's interviewing with the Panthers today.

Oh man that’s not a promotion lol