NBA OFF TOPIC THREAD

[Stakesarehigh]

Shared revenue for teams on league wide contracts are already over $100m


Teams don’t even spend that

I see an issue with low spenders as well. No issue with forcing teams to spend more.

 

[thunderc]

My Reds may be the favorites in the Central this season. Haven’t been able to say that in a while.

 

[The Q]

My Reds may be the favorites in the Central this season. Haven’t been able to say that in a while.

They have had a bad off-season

not sure wtf they're doing.

 

[thunderc]

They have had a bad off-season

not sure wtf they're doing.

Building a top notch offense from where I sit

 

[trojanfan12]

Not saying it’s not true but I haven’t seen that anywhere

Shohei Ohtani free agency: Giants president says team was presented same deal as Dodgers

Ohtani simply preferred the Dodgers.

sports.yahoo.com

Blue Jays’ Offer for Shohei Ohtani Was Competitive With Dodgers’ $700M Deal, per Report - Sports Illustrated

The Blue Jays’ offer to Shohei Ohtani was reportedly “right there” with the Dodgers’ 10-year, $700 million deal.

www.si.com

I believe the Yankees also said yes.

Those are a couple. Interestingly, the Angels were the only team that declined.

 

[The Q]

Building a top notch offense from where I sit

They have enough infielders

Candelario is a huge collapse risk

Not a fan

Getting another P would’ve been better use of that money

 

[thunderc]

Shohei Ohtani free agency: Giants president says team was presented same deal as Dodgers

Ohtani simply preferred the Dodgers.

sports.yahoo.com

Blue Jays’ Offer for Shohei Ohtani Was Competitive With Dodgers’ $700M Deal, per Report - Sports Illustrated

The Blue Jays’ offer to Shohei Ohtani was reportedly “right there” with the Dodgers’ 10-year, $700 million deal.

www.si.com

I believe the Yankees also said yes.

Those are a couple. Interestingly, the Angels were the only team that declined.

I saw where the Bluejays offer approached 600 mil and that the Giants were believed to have basically matched. Doesn’t really matter at this point I guess.

 

[msgkings322]

Shohei Ohtani free agency: Giants president says team was presented same deal as Dodgers

Ohtani simply preferred the Dodgers.

sports.yahoo.com

Blue Jays’ Offer for Shohei Ohtani Was Competitive With Dodgers’ $700M Deal, per Report - Sports Illustrated

The Blue Jays’ offer to Shohei Ohtani was reportedly “right there” with the Dodgers’ 10-year, $700 million deal.

www.si.com

I believe the Yankees also said yes.

Those are a couple. Interestingly, the Angels were the only team that declined.

I think the Blue Jays and Mets were also offered that

 

[WiggyRuss]

Basically there are 6 teams with 100 million a year tv deals. The Dodgers are a 100 million more than the next closest team. That 100 million pays for these kind of deals.

Now in terms of revenue generation a team like Detroit can find themselves in a 450 to 500 million at an absolute peak but they will never have the kind of consistent revenue to guarantee a 12 year deal like that without severely handicapping them.

The long term deals are bad for all but 1 percent of players and at most 10 teams. But again...have at it baseball. Just know where it ends up

The Dodgers are still riding the wave of an $8.35 billion deal with Time Warner that runs through 2039.

This sstarted in 2013. 25 years.......so while its weighted- (less in the early years, more i nthe later years)- Dodgers average $334 million a year in local TV money.

The Guardians are at 55M a year. The Pirates about 45. The Rays about 70.

Over a 10 year span- the Dodgers will take in about 2.8 billion extra in revenue (give or take) over those teams.

For all the people that say- WELL ITS JUST THE OWNERS- THEY COULD ALL SPEND THAT MUCH- you are fucking idiots.

 

[WiggyRuss]

So we are citing results from the 90s? The economics of baseball have completely changed.

This is way past a willing owner man. That's the point. No one is going to buy the Pittsburgh Pirates and build a competing payroll to the Dodgers. It's literally impossible. That's different than the Tribe being cheap fucks and letting Jim Thome skate back when the economics could somewhat match.

You simply can't commit a 12 year deal with no means to pay it.

100%

up until the mid 90's- attendance was the main revenue generator. I remember the Indians signing Black Jack McDowell to a 2 year 10M dollar deal and that was like HUGE money.

Now- local TV revenue drives revenue- and the more population you have in a city- the bigger the TV deal.

 

[WiggyRuss]

you're looking at this entirely through that lens and not the health of the sport. I'd argue the NBA does it best in allowing teams to spend to their market all the while maintaining a healthy economic environment.

NBA is a combination of the NFL and MLB.

NFL has all national TV contracts--- the only real driver of local revenue is merchandising- and to a certain extent attendance- but most teams games are relatively well attended- so while the Cowboys have more money than say the the Cardinals- its not a huge gap- maybe 20-30%- along with the salary cap of course.

NBA has a lot of strong national TV deals, streaming deals, etc. that are all split evenly--- but local TV is also a strong component- and they have the cap- so while the Lakers make substantially more than the Bobcats- the advantage is not astronomical

baseball is just out the window. The national TV deals are weak. Its all about local tv revenue- and when you have some teams making 200-350 million per year- and some teams making 40-60 million per year- and no cap- its not realistic that you will have a healthy sport in the long run.

 

[msgkings322]

NBA is a combination of the NFL and MLB.

NFL has all national TV contracts--- the only real driver of local revenue is merchandising- and to a certain extent attendance- but most teams games are relatively well attended- so while the Cowboys have more money than say the the Cardinals- its not a huge gap- maybe 20-30%- along with the salary cap of course.

NBA has a lot of strong national TV deals, streaming deals, etc. that are all split evenly--- but local TV is also a strong component- and they have the cap- so while the Lakers make substantially more than the Bobcats- the advantage is not astronomical

baseball is just out the window. The national TV deals are weak. Its all about local tv revenue- and when you have some teams making 200-350 million per year- and some teams making 40-60 million per year- and no cap- its not realistic that you will have a healthy sport in the long run.

I make more than the Bobcats

 

[WiggyRuss]

I make more than the Bobcats

Hornets. dick. lol

 

[msgkings322]

The Dodgers are still riding the wave of an $8.35 billion deal with Time Warner that runs through 2039.

This sstarted in 2013. 25 years.......so while its weighted- (less in the early years, more i nthe later years)- Dodgers average $334 million a year in local TV money.

The Guardians are at 55M a year. The Pirates about 45. The Rays about 70.

Over a 10 year span- the Dodgers will take in about 2.8 billion extra in revenue (give or take) over those teams.

For all the people that say- WELL ITS JUST THE OWNERS- THEY COULD ALL SPEND THAT MUCH- you are fucking idiots.

Great post but this link shows different numbers (MArch 2023)

LA still way ahead but not as much

Local TV and the Changing Economics of Baseball - Cross Screen Media

Six big questions re: baseball + local TV: 1) How much does buying a Major League Baseball (MLB) team cost? 2) How does Major League Baseball make money? 3) What share of...

crossscreen.media

 

[The Q]

100%

up until the mid 90's- attendance was the main revenue generator. I remember the Indians signing Black Jack McDowell to a 2 year 10M dollar deal and that was like HUGE money.

Now- local TV revenue drives revenue- and the more population you have in a city- the bigger the TV deal.

Tracy mcgrady’s “max” deal in 2000 got him less than $10m that year….


Now inferior players like jaylen brown get 6x that

 

[msgkings322]

Tracy mcgrady’s “max” deal in 2000 got him less than $10m that year….


Now inferior players like jaylen brown get 6x that

Sports inflation is wild. I remember the gnashing of teeth when Nolan Ryan got the first $1 million/year sports contract in 1980

In 10 years when they are paying Ohtani $68 mil a year it will be like $40 mil today...a lot but not an outlier

 

[WiggyRuss]

Great post but this link shows different numbers (MArch 2023)

LA still way ahead but not as much

Local TV and the Changing Economics of Baseball - Cross Screen Media

Six big questions re: baseball + local TV: 1) How much does buying a Major League Baseball (MLB) team cost? 2) How does Major League Baseball make money? 3) What share of...

crossscreen.media

I dont know how the TV contract was allocated- but I do know it was 25 years- and an average of 334 per year--- so - to a certain extent that makes sense-

its so hard to know what those numbers mean too. For instance- with the stadium seating/concessions parking- is that before expenses or after? The TV deal has very little expenses- a couple assholes to call the game and some cameras. The seating/concessions are cost of the goods sold, stadium maintenance, workers, etc........tv deals are basically all cream.

 

[The Q]

Sports inflation is wild. I remember the gnashing of teeth when Nolan Ryan got the first $1 million/year sports contract in 1980

In 10 years when they are paying Ohtani $68 mil a year it will be like $40 mil today...a lot but not an outlier

Yeah ohtani basically just set up a pension plan for his post career days

Plus he’s making a ton of endorsements now.

He’ll be fine lol

 

[The Q]

I make more than the Bobcats

Private equity?

 

[msgkings322]

Yeah ohtani basically just set up a pension plan for his post career days

Plus he’s making a ton of endorsements now.

He’ll be fine lol

Exactly, a guy making $40 mil per year in endorsements can take just $2 mil salary to help his team