NBA OFF TOPIC THREAD

[Stakesarehigh]

I don't get this mindset.

The job of ownership is to do whatever they can, within the rules, to put the best team they can on the field.

Are teams supposed to not spend what they can because some other team can't spend as much?

Or is there some rule the Dodgers are breaking that I'm not aware of?

Because of the way baseball TV contracts are set up. Tampa Bay will never be able to do this. ever. Pittsburgh. And those are extreme examples. Detroit has a rabid fanbase when they're good. But they don't have the eyeballs of a metro city like LA to drive a TV deal that can pay for that kind of albatross of a deal.

And that's fine if that's the direction MLB wants to go in but it is going to kill the remaining passion some of these fanbases have for the sport. There are almost zero fans left under 40 that watch baseball for the hell of it regardless of who is playing.

 

[Stakesarehigh]

Basically there are 6 teams with 100 million a year tv deals. The Dodgers are a 100 million more than the next closest team. That 100 million pays for these kind of deals.

Now in terms of revenue generation a team like Detroit can find themselves in a 450 to 500 million at an absolute peak but they will never have the kind of consistent revenue to guarantee a 12 year deal like that without severely handicapping them.

The long term deals are bad for all but 1 percent of players and at most 10 teams. But again...have at it baseball. Just know where it ends up

 

[fightinfunbags]

Because of the way baseball TV contracts are set up. Tampa Bay will never be able to do this. ever. Pittsburgh. And those are extreme examples. Detroit has a rabid fanbase when they're good. But they don't have the eyeballs of a metro city like LA to drive a TV deal that can pay for that kind of albatross of a deal.

And that's fine if that's the direction MLB wants to go in but it is going to kill the remaining passion some of these fanbases have for the sport. There are almost zero fans left under 40 that watch baseball for the hell of it regardless of who is playing.

Baseball needs retraction anyway. About 24 teams would be ideal. 12 in each league.

It will never happen but essentially it does every year. There are always 6-8 unserious franchises if not more.

 

[Stakesarehigh]

Baseball needs retraction anyway. About 24 teams would be ideal. 12 in each league.

It will never happen but essentially it does every year. There are always 6-8 unserious franchises if not more.

agree but yea...won't happen.

Where I see this really showing up is in ad dollars for the world series alcs etc...it's a huge risk for companies to pay top dollar hoping they get New York or LA and they get Arizona or Tampa.

It's going to suck some substantial back end revenue out of the sport. And like I said when all the 40 over Pirates fans die off there won't be anyone left to care.

 

[trojanfan12]

Because of the way baseball TV contracts are set up. Tampa Bay will never be able to do this. ever. Pittsburgh. And those are extreme examples. Detroit has a rabid fanbase when they're good. But they don't have the eyeballs of a metro city like LA to drive a TV deal that can pay for that kind of albatross of a deal.

And that's fine if that's the direction MLB wants to go in but it is going to kill the remaining passion some of these fanbases have for the sport. There are almost zero fans left under 40 that watch baseball for the hell of it regardless of who is playing.

Then maybe those teams need to move or get ownership that can spend. Teams like Tampa, Pittsburgh, and Toronto have all been to and won the World Series.

They just have to do it a little differently and can't sustain it for more than 2-3 seasons at a time.

I was a die-hard Rams fan through the Georgia Frontiere and John Shaw years. Until the snake eating bitch decided to tank the team so she could move it...they would put teams together who could compete, but would never spend to get that final piece or 2 that would give them a real chance at getting past teams like the 49ers and Cowboys and into the Super Bowl.

I never got mad at the 49ers or Cowboys...I got mad at her and John Shaw for not doing everything they could.

 

[shopson67]

LOL

Dodgers offseason has been VERY fun thus far. Thought they might have lost him when he was reported to attend the Rams game with Ohtani, then having that not happen. Of course, always great to get their target over their division rivals.

 

[shopson67]

what a joke.

If baseball is going to refuse to have a cap, then you will get these signings. Of course, not sure how that would work with deferred salaries anyway?

 

[trojanfan12]

Basically there are 6 teams with 100 million a year tv deals. The Dodgers are a 100 million more than the next closest team. That 100 million pays for these kind of deals.

Now in terms of revenue generation a team like Detroit can find themselves in a 450 to 500 million at an absolute peak but they will never have the kind of consistent revenue to guarantee a 12 year deal like that without severely handicapping them.

The long term deals are bad for all but 1 percent of players and at most 10 teams. But again...have at it baseball. Just know where it ends up

I have a feeling that unless they can find a way to move off of some of these deals, the Dodgers are going to have to pay the piper in about 10ish years when they're paying, for example, $68 million per year to a retired Ohtani.

 

[thunderc]

If baseball is going to refuse to have a cap, then you will get these signings. Of course, not sure how that would work with deferred salaries anyway?

The players union is strong, they are being stupid through because these deals hurt the rank and file badly.

 

[shopson67]

So happy i didnt see a second of the saints game

Not a lot of positives for the Saints outside of a few splash plays. Rams have been giving those up (notably in the Ravens loss), really need to upgrade their secondary and add another edge rusher.

Saints were aggressive, going on 4th quite a bit. Unsuccessful though, but that could really have flipped the script.

 

[shopson67]

The players union is strong, they are being stupid through because these deals hurt the rank and file badly.

I've historically been in favor of a cap, especially when it was typically the Yankees being the main offender. More teams have opened up the checkbooks, but the penny pinchers need to be really smart to compete. Smart signings, coaching and chemistry still can be deciding factors.

 

[Stakesarehigh]

Then maybe those teams need to move or get ownership that can spend. Teams like Tampa, Pittsburgh, and Toronto have all been to and won the World Series.

They just have to do it a little differently and can't sustain it for more than 2-3 seasons at a time.

I was a die-hard Rams fan through the Georgia Frontiere and John Shaw years. Until the shake eating bitch decided to tank the team show she could move it...they would put teams together who could compete, but would never spend to get that final piece or 2 that would give them a real chance at getting past teams like the 49ers and Cowboys and into the Super Bowl.

I never got mad at the 49ers or Cowboys...I got mad at her and John Shaw for not doing everything they could.

So we are citing results from the 90s? The economics of baseball have completely changed.

This is way past a willing owner man. That's the point. No one is going to buy the Pittsburgh Pirates and build a competing payroll to the Dodgers. It's literally impossible. That's different than the Tribe being cheap fucks and letting Jim Thome skate back when the economics could somewhat match.

You simply can't commit a 12 year deal with no means to pay it.

 

[trojanfan12]

Stating the obvious, but the Saints need to find a way to get a QB. Even if Carr were playing well, he's not the guy who's going to get them over the hump.

Problem is, they are good enough everywhere else that it seems their only shot at getting the QB they need is going to have to be through FA or finding the next Brock Purdy.

They seem stuck in that 7-8 seed hell that we talk about NBA teams trying to avoid.

 

[trojanfan12]

I've historically been in favor of a cap, especially when it was typically the Yankees being the main offender. More teams have opened up the checkbooks, but the penny pinchers need to be really smart to compete. Smart signings, coaching and chemistry still can be deciding factors.

Yep...we've seen it before...teams spend, give themselves a 2-3 year window, then have a fire sale. That seems to be what the Padres have been trying to do, it just hasn't worked for them so far.

 

[shopson67]

So stupid, money doesn’t buy World Series rings in baseball.

Take the money out of it. Dodgers needed pitching, especially with all their injuries to the rotation, and are getting it. Plus they had the opportunity to add the best player in the game. Should they not?

 

[Stakesarehigh]

I've historically been in favor of a cap, especially when it was typically the Yankees being the main offender. More teams have opened up the checkbooks, but the penny pinchers need to be really smart to compete. Smart signings, coaching and chemistry still can be deciding factors.

I'd be fine with no cap but they gotta reel some of these deals in. Problem is the players union is driven by the Scott Boras of the world who only care about their cut of the mega deals.

 

[Stakesarehigh]

Yep...we've seen it before...teams spend, give themselves a 2-3 year window, then have a fire sale. That seems to be what the Padres have been trying to do, it just hasn't worked for them so far.

Really only the Marlins and Royals have pulled it off. Tampa has easily the best front office and minor league system in baseball so I will give them that they've been successful

 

[trojanfan12]

So we are citing results from the 90s? The economics of baseball have completely changed.

This is way past a willing owner man. That's the point. No one is going to buy the Pittsburgh Pirates and build a competing payroll to the Dodgers. It's literally impossible. That's different than the Tribe being cheap fucks and letting Jim Thome skate back when the economics could somewhat match.

You simply can't commit a 12 year deal with no means to pay it.

The Rays were just in the World Series a couple of seasons ago.

If teams can't keep up with changing economics, maybe it's time to do as @fightinfunbags suggested and cut some teams loose. Teams shouldn't have to hold themselves back just because others can't compete financially.

Or, if revenue sharing isn't a thing, maybe MLB should look at doing it.

 

[Stakesarehigh]

The Rays were just in the World Series a couple of seasons ago.

If teams can't keep up with changing economics, maybe it's time to do as @fightinfunbags suggested and cut some teams loose. Teams shouldn't have to hold themselves back just because others can't compete financially.

Or, if revenue sharing isn't a thing, maybe MLB should look at doing it.

baseball won't do it but you also have to think if we retract say...the As do those fans root for the Giants or Dodgers or do they more likely give up on baseball for good? The latter is more likely.

 

[fightinfunbags]

I've historically been in favor of a cap, especially when it was typically the Yankees being the main offender. More teams have opened up the checkbooks, but the penny pinchers need to be really smart to compete. Smart signings, coaching and chemistry still can be deciding factors.

They don’t HAVE to be. They choose to be. A salary floor with the current tax structure for the big spenders should be the reform. Stay away from a salary cap. The big markets drive the sport. They should have the ability (should they choose) to gather star studded rosters that people will gravitate to with attendance at the park and TV ratings that drive contracts. To that end, baseball is the only sport that does things right in this regard. Does the world deserve situations with the Tampa Bay Bucs celebrating a Super Bowl parade by taking laps through their stadium parking lot in front of a meager 70k people? That franchise gets overrun by visiting fans in their own stadium. Why rig the game for franchises like that to compete? Those fans don’t deserve nice things.