Series Thread: NBA Finals: Toronto Raptors vs Golden State Warriors

[shopson67]

You know who's not better? The Lakers.


Ain't that right @trojanfan12?

Than last year? Actually, they were, even with all the injury issues.

 

[Montalban]

Yes, I do......but with 60 more games from kawhi than the previous year doesn't that give them an advantage? Never mind the additions of Green and then Gasol?

I think Gasol has made a very big difference this year.

 

[Heatles84]

if it wasn't for you taking the other side and "liking" this comment......"Yep. A team might care if they think they can get there, but are inexperienced and maybe feel that they need HCA. But once they get some experience under the belts, it's about getting there healthy.."

so does this team have experience or not.

I should just sit back and watch you kick your own ass.

The fuck are you talking about? The Raptors are loaded with playoff experience. Their goal is to get to the Finals healthy, which they did. @trojanfan12 was pointing out teams like the Bucks who need the help that they can get given that a majority of their team had very little experience; which is why they went balls to the wall for the number 1 seed. Toronto is pretty experienced and didn't need HCA in the playoffs. They were focused on staying healthy, hence why Toronto kept Kawhi out for roughly a quarter of the season.

It's clear you're faltering in this argument. Best to just sit this one out.

 

[Shanemansj13]

I don't underestimate Kawhi at all. He's great. Many of the "mentally defeated" are still on Toronto. Toronto might even beat the Cavs. But a Lebron-led team with a 0% chance? against a team that was a shot away from losing to Philly in round 2?

It makes a HUGE difference when your best player on your team is not a mental midget and when that player is hands down WAY MORE talented.

Who? Lowry. Bench players? There isn't much. Ibaka, Gasol and Green all have been deep into the playoffs. Green and Ibaka have been to the Finals, Green has won many Finals. Kawhi is obviously the biggest difference when you have a true leader and winner that enjoys playing defense it makes your role players that much more valuable and it gives them confidence. Just like when Lebron had an impact on his teammates. That was the best we have ever seen Kyrie play...I would like to think Lebron had some to do with that just from a confidence standpoint if nothing else.

Not to mention, the head coach that could never win the big games isn't there anymore. That is a big change in itself, whether it helps them or not.

 

[Heatles84]

you are all over the place....they are experienced...no, wait, they aren't experienced.

As I said, I can just watch you go at it with yourself.

When did I say Toronto's not experienced? Go point me towards the post.

 

[Heatles84]

not at all. 2018 Toronto had Kawhi for zero games. 2019 had 60. That's +60 for this team.

Just ask and I can help you.

So the Raptors were supposed to win at least 30 or so more games because they had Kawhi for 60+ more games than the previous season? Do you even understand how you're conveying your arguments?

 

[shopson67]

true, but I wouldn't use that for my case....as teams like Milwaukee, Brroklyn and others were much better.

Point is, every team has changed since the previous season to some degree. The discussion doesn't hold much value.

 

[Shanemansj13]

Not trying to rip him but curious as I heard it was pretty bad in this metric (or a similar one)....what is steph?

No clue but steph is pretty clutch from the numbers if I remember.

 

[CitySushi]

not at all. 2018 Toronto had Kawhi for zero games. 2019 had 60. That's +60 for this team.

Just ask and I can help you.

But it's also minus 80 games from Derozan, who was an all star last year who averaged 23, 5 and 4 who was their best player last year. That's a 20 game game difference in the best player on the team playing for the Raptors. You don't think that could have possibly made a 1 game difference (which was the difference in record from this season to last)?

 

[Heatles84]

@dtgold88 I'm going to be as irritating as an inflamed hemorrhoid until you point out where I said Toronto was inexperienced in the playoffs. Keep putting words in my mouth to help out your bat shit retarded point of views.

 

[Shanemansj13]

Anyone hear what Kawhi said after Game 2. Nurse said we need to take one out of these next two games. Kawhi said, "We are taking both". I can't imagine the difference in the locker room from Derozan to Kawhi. It's like night and day.

 

[dtgold88]

Yet the guys that they added (Kawhi and Danny Green) had been to the Finals multiple times and won a championship while playing for one of the best coaches in Popovich; whom they saw put such little stock into the regular season.

Your arguments are getting very feeble and is very similar to a boxer that's on the ropes about to get knocked out.

And also, if you're going to call me out, grow some hair on your chest and tag me next time. K, thanks.

when did I call you out and not either tag or quote you?

 

[Heatles84]

But it's also minus 80 games from Derozan, who was an all star last year who averaged 23, 5 and 4 who was their best player last year. That's a 20 game game difference in the best player on the team playing for the Raptors. You don't think that could have possibly made a 1 game difference (which was the difference in record from this season to last)?

BuT ToRoNtO hAd A wOrSt ReGuLaR sEaSoN rEcOrD.

 

[Heatles84]

Anyone hear what Kawhi said after Game 2. Nurse said we need to take one out of these next two games. Kawhi said, "We are taking both". I can't imagine the difference in the locker room from Derozan to Kawhi. It's like night and day.

I think that was after game 3, but that's still raw.

 

[dtgold88]

@dtgold88 I'm going to be as irritating as an inflamed hemorrhoid until you point out where I said Toronto was inexperienced in the playoffs. Keep putting words in my mouth to help out your bat shit retarded point of views.

Wasn't clear enough and that's my mistake.....you said they were not experienced playing together.

 

[Heatles84]

when did I call you out and not either tag or quote you?

#4253

 

[dtgold88]

Actually, it doesn't prove the opposite.

The Raptors organization had never been to the finals. However, their best player has and has won, same with one of their important role players. They also have Gasol who has been to the playoffs and guys like Lowry, who hasn't been to the finals, but has been to the playoffs several times.

My point was more about a young team with little experience.

but they had never even played a playoff game together let alone won one.

 

[Heatles84]

Wasn't clear enough and that's my mistake.....you said they were not experienced playing together.

As much as we get into heated arguments, at least you can own up some things. I salute you on that.

 

[dtgold88]

#4253

yeah...I quoted you every other time but this one time I just got scared. OK.

Debate is really this and I already won by your own words. You admitted you'd rather have Casey with THIS group than Nurse and last year.

Game was over then, but thanks for the extra entertainment you have provided.

 

[Heatles84]

yeah...I quoted you every other time but this one time I just got scared. OK.

Debate is really this and I already won by your own words. You admitted you'd rather have Casey with THIS group than Nurse and last year.

Game was over then, but thanks for the extra entertainment you have provided.

That's what I'm here for. LOL