My current framing of the MJ vs LeBron debate

[Albuquerque Rams]

Nope

You can't argue with me. I've got the numbers on my side. They show Klay wasn't particularly impactful on those teams.

 

[Think McFly Think]

Mike was just on another level

Oh yeah, no denying that.

 

[Albuquerque Rams]

Not doing that at all.

It was a team good enough to win a playoff series.

You act like he would have been dogshit as a number 1.

But he actually did very well when he got the opportunity.

How many playoff series did Hersey Hawkins and Jeff Hornacek win as a number 1 option?

Oh that’s right, they couldn’t even have made it there. Not even close.

Now take Curry off the team for the entire regular season and see how far they get.

He was less impactful on his teams than Hawkins and Hornacek were. The numbers back me up. Deal with it.

And Portland was still just a 44-win team.

 

[UK Cowboy]

Agreed we all have are opinions, but the fact that’s only been done 4 times in NBA history and all 4 times it was from Mike ? That’s hard to dispute … Mike was just on another level

1000%

 

[msgkings322]

You can't argue with me. I've got the numbers on my side. They show Klay wasn't particularly impactful on those teams.

I'm not arguing with you, I'm laughing at your nonsense. In a few years Klay will be in the Hall of Fame and you'll still be crying impotently.

 

[UK Cowboy]

Personally, I see Steph's Dub's team a lot like the 90's Cowboys. One of the greatest teams ever, no doubt, but not because of a GOAT like MJ or Brady. The 90's Cowboys were awesome, but you don't hear Aikman talked about among the top 10 QB's ever and Irvin is talked about like maybe an 8th-10th ever WR, and despite being the all time rushing leader, most consider Emmitt somewhere between 6-10th RB. But they all sacrificed stats for team, their games were perfect compliments to each other, and they won 3 Championships in 4 years. That's how I see the Dub's. Steph is their best player but probably just outside the top 10 players ever. Klay more of a top 25 and Draymond a marginal HOF guy. But put their games together and they were greater than the sum of their parts

 

[tlance]

Now take Curry off the team for the entire regular season and see how far they get.

He was less impactful on his teams than Hawkins and Hornacek were. The numbers back me up. Deal with it.

And Portland was still just a 44-win team.

They would have been better than that 44 win Portland team they beat in the playoffs.

Again, you are severely underestimating Klay and Dray.

 

[Albuquerque Rams]

I'm not arguing with you, I'm laughing at your nonsense. In a few years Klay will be in the Hall of Fame and you'll still be crying impotently.

So what? The facts show Klay was less impactful on his teams than Hornacek and Hawkins were on theirs. Satch Sanders and Frank Ramsey are Hall of Famers. Doesn't mean shit.

 

[tlance]

Personally, I see Steph's Dub's team a lot like the 90's Cowboys. One of the greatest teams ever, no doubt, but not because of a GOAT like MJ or Brady. The 90's Cowboys were awesome, but you don't hear Aikman talked about among the top 10 QB's ever and Irvin is talked about like maybe an 8th-10th ever WR, and despite being the all time rushing leader, most consider Emmitt somewhere between 6-10 RB. But they all sacrificed stats for team, their games were perfect compliments to each other, and they won 3 Championships in 4 years. That's how I see the Dub's. Steph is their best player but probably just outside the top 10 players ever. Klay more of a top 25 and Draymond a marginal HOF guy. But put their games together and they were greater than the sum of their parts

Totally agree

 

[Albuquerque Rams]

They would have been better than that 44 win Portland team they beat in the playoffs.

Again, you are severely underestimating Klay and Dray.

No, they would have been lucky to win 44 games themselves without Curry. Stop sucking Klay's and Dray's dicks. They aren't the players you're making them out to be.

 

[tlance]

So what? The facts show Klay was less impactful on his teams than Hornacek and Hawkins were on theirs. Satch Sanders and Frank Ramsey are Hall of Famers. Doesn't mean shit.

No they don’t show that at all.

 

[Albuquerque Rams]

No they don’t show that at all.

Actually they do.

 

[UK Cowboy]

No, they would have been lucky to win 44 games themselves without Curry. Stop sucking Klay's and Dray's dicks. They aren't the players you're making them out to be.

Come on now, no need for that shit

 

[msgkings322]

So what? The facts show Klay was less impactful on his teams than Hornacek and Hawkins were on theirs. Satch Sanders and Frank Ramsey are Hall of Famers. Doesn't mean shit.

Seems to mean quite a bit to you

 

[boogiewithstu2007]

Personally, I see Steph's Dub's team a lot like the 90's Cowboys. One of the greatest teams ever, no doubt, but not because of a GOAT like MJ or Brady. The 90's Cowboys were awesome, but you don't hear Aikman talked about among the top 10 QB's ever and Irvin is talked about like maybe an 8th-10th ever WR, and despite being the all time rushing leader, most consider Emmitt somewhere between 6-10th RB. But they all sacrificed stats for team, their games were perfect compliments to each other, and they won 3 Championships in 4 years. That's how I see the Dub's. Steph is their best player but probably just outside the top 10 players ever. Klay more of a top 25 and Draymond a marginal HOF guy. But put their games together and they were greater than the sum of their parts

I was high on Aikman, I thought he was a great leader, put on his work boots and did his job… If Seattle right now drafted a young Aikman, I’d be happy, because I know he’s always gonna battle and play big in big games…

 

[UK Cowboy]

I was high on Aikman, I thought he was a great leader, put on his work boots and did his job… If Seattle right now drafted a young Aikman, I’d be happy, because I know he’s always gonna battle and play big in big games…

I think if Troy played today he would be Joe Burrow. Troy was amazingly accurate, and tough as nails. I remember him getting sacked 12 times against Philly a few of which were huge shots. He didn't care about his stats, he didn't audible out of runs. He threw it to get a lead and then handed it to Emmitt 25 times and wore the defense completely out in the 2nd half. In a prolific offense with today's rules he would be a 6'4", stronger armed Drew Brees

 

[Stakesarehigh]

Personally, I see Steph's Dub's team a lot like the 90's Cowboys. One of the greatest teams ever, no doubt, but not because of a GOAT like MJ or Brady. The 90's Cowboys were awesome, but you don't hear Aikman talked about among the top 10 QB's ever and Irvin is talked about like maybe an 8th-10th ever WR, and despite being the all time rushing leader, most consider Emmitt somewhere between 6-10th RB. But they all sacrificed stats for team, their games were perfect compliments to each other, and they won 3 Championships in 4 years. That's how I see the Dub's. Steph is their best player but probably just outside the top 10 players ever. Klay more of a top 25 and Draymond a marginal HOF guy. But put their games together and they were greater than the sum of their parts

There isnt really anything Steph can do to be on that level, he was blessed with amazing supporting talent. He has never won anything without a top 3 supporting cast in the league.

 

[Stakesarehigh]

No, they would have been lucky to win 44 games themselves without Curry. Stop sucking Klay's and Dray's dicks. They aren't the players you're making them out to be.

If youre going BPM, Dray is a top 5 player in most playoffs he participated in.

 

[tlance]

Personally, I see Steph's Dub's team a lot like the 90's Cowboys. One of the greatest teams ever, no doubt, but not because of a GOAT like MJ or Brady. The 90's Cowboys were awesome, but you don't hear Aikman talked about among the top 10 QB's ever and Irvin is talked about like maybe an 8th-10th ever WR, and despite being the all time rushing leader, most consider Emmitt somewhere between 6-10th RB. But they all sacrificed stats for team, their games were perfect compliments to each other, and they won 3 Championships in 4 years. That's how I see the Dub's. Steph is their best player but probably just outside the top 10 players ever. Klay more of a top 25 and Draymond a marginal HOF guy. But put their games together and they were greater than the sum of their parts

As a life long Commander/Redskin fan, I can say that Emmitt is underrated.

I always thought he got a raw deal in the Sanders/Smith debate. Of course he had a lot of advantages Barry didn’t in terms of offensive play makers around him and O line blocking.

But if you switch the two players?

Barry would surely put up more yards, but would the Cowboys have been a better team?

I’m not so sure. Barry for all his brilliance had a lot of negative plays trying to hit the home run. More than anyone. Emmitt wasn’t spectacular, but he always kept the chains moving.

 

[UK Cowboy]

As a life long Commander/Redskin fan, I can say that Emmitt is underrated.

I always thought he got a raw deal in the Sanders/Smith debate. Of course he had a lot of advantages Barry didn’t in terms of offensive play makers around him and O line blocking.

But if you switch the two players?

Barry would surely put up more yards, but would the Cowboys have been a better team?

I’m not so sure. Barry for all his brilliance had a lot of negative plays trying to hit the home run. More than anyone. Emmitt wasn’t spectacular, but he always kept the chains moving.

Wow my friend, we see something the same. You have that nailed.
When I talked about how the Triplets sacrifices for the team, for Aikman and Irvin it was yards and TD's. But Emmitt? He is the primary reason we dominated. Barry was certainly more explosive and spectacular. But there is no way we win 3 with Barry's style of running. Barry came out of the game on short yardage and goal line. Emmitt got the TD's but he also got the first downs. Sometimes it's 1st and goal from the 4. Emmitt may get it 3-4 times, but he is scoring. When you take on 7-8 none or one yard carries per game, it ruins your YPC, but your team wins games. And if you have a first and ten and there are eight in the box, Emmitt is still getting you 3-4 yards. Barry would have the long runs, but I can't tell you how many times he went for negative yards on a run play. Its like a drive killing sack. And one of our Super Bowls is 100% because of Emmitt. Season ender vs the Giants, if we lose we miss the playoffs. Emmitt separates his shoulder in the first half. Doesn't come out, doesn't take the needle, had a monster 2nd half and we won and went on to the Super Bowl. Barry may well have been better than Emmitt but I wouldn't have traded Emmitt for Barry if you threw in picks