My current framing of the MJ vs LeBron debate

[msgkings322]

Nope. He hitched his wagon to someone who actually would make it in on merit, thus making him look better than he actually is.

Wrong per usual. You can type whatever you want but you can’t back it up. And as I said you’re in the wrong forum to try to get one past us.

 

[tlance]

Klay was not better than Reggie Bro...calm down lol. Totally agree that he's a HOFer though

He really was.

Very similar offensive game to Reggie and much better defense.

Better total career?

No can’t match the longevity because of injury.

But Klay’s best seasons during the Warrior dynasty were better than Reggie’s best seasons.

 

[Albuquerque Rams]

Wrong per usual. You can type whatever you want but you can’t back it up. And as I said you’re in the wrong forum to try to get one past us.

The advanced metrics of the other guys are my proof. If Klay had been in Detroit or Charlotte, he wouldn't have made a single All Star game or won a single championship.

 

[msgkings322]

The advanced metrics of the other guys are my proof. If Klay had been in Detroit or Charlotte, he wouldn't have made a single All Star game or won a single championship.

The other guys were inferior players though. And no one wins championships in those places, those teams suck. You come across like someone who doesn’t really watch basketball.

In any case, obviously you and I won’t be changing each other’s minds. And you’re hardly the first person to be wrong on the internet.

 

[Albuquerque Rams]

The other guys were inferior players though. And no one wins championships in those places, those teams suck. You come across like someone who doesn’t really watch basketball.

In any case, obviously you and I won’t be changing each other’s minds. And you’re hardly the first person to be wrong on the internet.

If they were inferior, they wouldn't have better metrics.

 

[msgkings322]

If they were inferior, they wouldn't have better metrics.

If they were superior, they’d be in the hall of fame like Klay will be

 

[UK Cowboy]

He really was.

Very similar offensive game to Reggie and much better defense.

Better total career?

No can’t match the longevity because of injury.

But Klay’s best seasons during the Warrior dynasty were better than Reggie’s best seasons.

He wasn't better Bro. I can dig you repping the Dubs, but no way. Reggie was a #1 option who carried hid team and was the focal point of opposing defenses in an era when you could be physical on the perimeter. Klay was always a Robin, got a lot of wide open looks because of the greatness the guy was playing beside. It's not even close

 

[Albuquerque Rams]

If they were superior, they’d be in the hall of fame like Klay will be

Again, it's possible to make the Hall of Fame simply because you were on a championship roster as Satch Sanders and Frank Ramsey have proven.

Klay is a coattail rider. Nothing more.

 

[msgkings322]

Again, it's possible to make the Hall of Fame simply because you were on a championship roster as Satch Sanders and Frank Ramsey have proven.

It's more common to make it based on an impressive career like Klay has had. LOL at comparing him to those players.

Klay is a coattail rider. Nothing more.

You are an impotent fool. Nothing more.

 

[Albuquerque Rams]

It's more common to make it based on an impressive career like Klay has had. LOL at comparing him to those players.

You are an impotent fool. Nothing more.

There's nothing impressive about riding someone's coattails. Stop kissing Klay's ass.

 

[tlance]

He wasn't better Bro. I can dig you repping the Dubs, but no way. Reggie was a #1 option who carried hid team and was the focal point of opposing defenses in an era when you could be physical on the perimeter. Klay was always a Robin, got a lot of wide open looks because of the greatness the guy was playing beside. It's not even close

You make way too much of the physicality.

Doesn’t amount to nearly as much as you thing. Especially for a catch and shoot player.

Steph missed enough games that we got some glimpses.

2016 Klay carried the Warriors past Lillard and McCollum in 5 games 2nd round of West playoffs with Steph out. His games that series:

37 5 and 5 - 14 /28 from the field, 7/14 from 3
27 3 and 3 - 7/20 from field, 5/14 from 3
35 1 and 1 - 14/28 from field, 5/9 from 3
23 4 and 2 - 7/18 from the field 5/10 from 3
33 2 and 1 - 13/17 from the field, 6/9 from 3

That was his lone full playoff series as top dog and he absolutely crushed it.

Just because he didn’t have the opportunity often doesn’t mean he couldn’t do it. That is as good as any series Reggie Miller ever had.

Klay was a lot more that a guy who benefitted from playing with stars. He was option 1B when he paired with Steph. Would have been plenty good as a 1A on a lesser team. Not a championship level 1A, but neither was Reggie.

 

[msgkings322]

There's nothing impressive about riding someone's coattails.

Indeed. Too bad it doesn't apply to Klay.

Stop kissing Klay's ass.

Stop crying that you can't sell your bullshit here

 

[msgkings322]

You make way too much of the physicality.

Doesn’t amount to nearly as much as you thing. Especially for a catch and shoot player.

Steph missed enough games that we got some glimpses.

2016 Klay carried the Warriors past Lillard and McCollum in 5 games 2nd round of West playoffs with Steph out. His games that series:

37 5 and 5 - 14 /28 from the field, 7/14 from 3
27 3 and 3 - 7/20 from field, 5/14 from 3
35 1 and 1 - 14/28 from field, 5/9 from 3
23 4 and 2 - 7/18 from the field 5/10 from 3
33 2 and 1 - 13/17 from the field, 6/9 from 3

That was his lone full playoff series as top dog and he absolutely crushed it.

Just because he didn’t have the opportunity often doesn’t mean he couldn’t do it. That is as good as any series Reggie Miller ever had.

Klay was a lot more that a guy who benefitted from playing with stars. He was option 1B when he paired with Steph. Would have been plenty good as a 1A on a lesser team. Not a championship level 1A, but neither was Reggie.

But Dan Majerle advanced metrics!

 

[UK Cowboy]

You make way too much of the physicality.

Doesn’t amount to nearly as much as you thing. Especially for a catch and shoot player.

Steph missed enough games that we got some glimpses.

2016 Klay carried the Warriors past Lillard and McCollum in 5 games 2nd round of West playoffs with Steph out. His games that series:

37 5 and 5 - 14 /28 from the field, 7/14 from 3
27 3 and 3 - 7/20 from field, 5/14 from 3
35 1 and 1 - 14/28 from field, 5/9 from 3
23 4 and 2 - 7/18 from the field 5/10 from 3
33 2 and 1 - 13/17 from the field, 6/9 from 3

That was his lone full playoff series as top dog and he absolutely crushed it.

Just because he didn’t have the opportunity often doesn’t mean he couldn’t do it. That is as good as any series Reggie Miller ever had.

Klay was a lot more that a guy who benefitted from playing with stars. He was option 1B when he paired with Steph. Would have been plenty good as a 1A on a lesser team. Not a championship level 1A, but neither was Reggie.

See, you say that...but when the Dubs played the Cavs in the Finals and the refs let them play physical, it took Steph completely out of his game. Don't act like you don't remember because we know you do

 

[tlance]

See, you say that...but when the Dubs played the Cavs in the Finals and the refs let them play physical, it took Steph completely out of his game. Don't act like you don't remember because we know you do

Steph was playing on 1 leg man.

He rushed back from an MCL injury that would have had him out for over a month in the regular season.

He was never right the rest of the playoffs. Had some good games, but was definitely not himself.

 

[Albuquerque Rams]

Indeed. Too bad it doesn't apply to Klay.

Stop crying that you can't sell your bullshit here

Except that's exactly what Klay has done; ride coattails. The numbers show that.

 

[Albuquerque Rams]

You make way too much of the physicality.

Doesn’t amount to nearly as much as you thing. Especially for a catch and shoot player.

Steph missed enough games that we got some glimpses.

2016 Klay carried the Warriors past Lillard and McCollum in 5 games 2nd round of West playoffs with Steph out. His games that series:

37 5 and 5 - 14 /28 from the field, 7/14 from 3
27 3 and 3 - 7/20 from field, 5/14 from 3
35 1 and 1 - 14/28 from field, 5/9 from 3
23 4 and 2 - 7/18 from the field 5/10 from 3
33 2 and 1 - 13/17 from the field, 6/9 from 3

That was his lone full playoff series as top dog and he absolutely crushed it.

Just because he didn’t have the opportunity often doesn’t mean he couldn’t do it. That is as good as any series Reggie Miller ever had.

Klay was a lot more that a guy who benefitted from playing with stars. He was option 1B when he paired with Steph. Would have been plenty good as a 1A on a lesser team. Not a championship level 1A, but neither was Reggie.

Portland was a 44-win team, bro. You're acting like they beat the '86 Celtics.

 

[tlance]

Portland was a 44-win team, bro. You're acting like they beat the '86 Celtics.

Not doing that at all.

It was a team good enough to win a playoff series.

You act like he would have been dogshit as a number 1.

But he actually did very well when he got the opportunity.

How many playoff series did Hersey Hawkins and Jeff Hornacek win as a number 1 option?

Oh that’s right, they couldn’t even have made it there. Not even close.

 

[msgkings322]

Except that's exactly what Klay has done; ride coattails. The numbers show that.

Nope

 

[boogiewithstu2007]

I’ve seen that before, it’s super impressive but this will not end the debate.

It’s not in our nature as human beings to agree 100% on anything, especially sports which are almost exclusively fueled by individual passion.

Agreed we all have are opinions, but the fact that’s only been done 4 times in NBA history and all 4 times it was from Mike ? That’s hard to dispute … Mike was just on another level