Series Thread: M's @ Astros: August 20th - 22nd

[Cloud]

Another non Mariner, but fun play.

3Bman supposed to cover home? There was no excuse for him to hang around 3B.

 

[NWinAZ]

3Bman supposed to cover home? There was no excuse for him to hang around 3B.

I tend to blame the catcher who was just standing in no-man's land but I agree the 3B should have backed it up.

 

[Cloud]

I tend to blame the catcher who was just standing in no-man's land but I agree the 3B should have backed it up.

I find it hard to blame the catcher in this instance because the ball was popped in between 1B and HP, so both are equally within their rights to go for the ball in this case. It is more likely that the pitcher or 3B should’ve covered home.

Credit to the runner because no on expected him to tag, but hey, when the base is not covered you go for it… it’s something the 3B should’ve saw.

 

[ulmax]

this is what gives me hope for next year..and beyond...brash...with a good sample size..at arkansas...means he could be in position ...at this time next year..to add..some help.....


..................................................................................era...........................................................................inn pitched..33.....................................................so 48

MattBrash P	ARK	2	1	1.91	6	6	1	1	0	0	33.0	19	8	7	3	0	12	48	0.94	.157

not really a big enough sample...yet

1 GeorgeKirby P	ARK	0	0	0.00	1	1	0	0	0	0	4.0	2	0	0	0	1	0	4	0.50	.154

same as kirby

3 LeviStoudt P	ARK	1	0	1.29	1	1	0	0	0	0	7.0	5	1	1	1	0	2	6	1.00	.208

same

13 EmersonHancock P	ARK	0	1	3.12	2	2	0	0	0	0	8.2	5	3	3	0	0	1	8	0.69	.161

 

[ulmax]

add these guys...and that..is a lot of starters...coming the mariners way...next year...

9 BrandonWilliamson P	ARK	1	4	4.53	9	9	0	0	0	0	45.2	48	30	23	7	3	17	58	1.42	.271

DevinSweet P	ARK	3	5	5.40	16	13	0	0	0	0	68.1	74	43	41	18	3	27	77	1.48	.273

23 AdamHill P	ARK	4	3	5.43	13	13	0	0	0	0	59.2	60	36	36	13	5	29	65	1.49	.258

 

[ulmax]

at aqua sox

3 TimElliott P	EVE	5	4	7.14	16	9	0	0	1	2	69.1	78	60	55	14	5	34	74	1.62	.276

7 TaylorDollard P	EVE	6	0	6.20	8	7	0	0	0	0	45.0	51	32	31	8	3	9	46	1.33	.277

11 AdamHill P	EVE	1	0	3.97	2	2	0	0	0	0	11.1	12	6	5	3	1	3	15	1.32	.261

LHP

14 NateFisher P	EVE	0	0	3.09	6	1	0	0	2	2	11.2	8	4	4	0	2	1	14	0.77	.190

they start more guys ...but these are the basic ones...and campbell ..............is on .....IR

19 IsaiahCampbell P	EVE	3	1	2.33	5	0	0	0	0	1	19.1	13	7	5	2	2	6	20	0.98	.194

 

[ulmax]

while this is good

3 AbrahamToro 2B	SEA	23	84	11	26	5	0	3	10	10	10	1	1	.310	.402	.476	.878
4 TyFrance 1B	SEA	114	426	62	124	26	1	14	56	31	80	0	0	.291	.362	.455	.817

6 J.P.Crawford SS	SEA	122	457	62	122	26	0	6	37	41	85	3	4	.267	.331	.363	.694
7 MitchHaniger RF	SEA	119	468	84	120	19	2	28	71	36	123	1	0	.256	.315	.485	.800

 

[ulmax]

this needs some work

9 KyleLewis CF	SEA	36	130	15	32	4	0	5	11	16	37	2	0	.246	.333	.392	.726
10 JakeBauers RF	SEA	46	137	14	32	2	0	1	8	12	40	3	0	.234	.295	.270	.565
11 KyleSeager 3B	SEA	122	457	53	100	20	1	28	79	47	125	3	1	.219	.294	.451	.744
12 JakeFraley LF	SEA	58	166	21	35	3	0	8	27	39	55	9	1	.211	.362	.373	.736
13 LuisTorrens C	SEA	74	242	28	51	8	1	14	32	22	71	0	0	.211	.278	.426	.704

19 CalRaleigh C	SEA	25	79	5	14	5	0	1	10	5	30	0	0	.177	.233	.278	.511

 

[ulmax]

this part..needs a lot of work...and where the mariners ..are a bit weak.still........maturing into what they will be....or...not

21 JoseGodoy C	SEA	16	37	2	6	1	0	0	3	3	14	0	0	.162	.225	.189	.414
22 TaylorTrammell CF	SEA	51	156	23	25	7	0	8	18	17	75	2	3	.160	.256	.359	.615
23 EvanWhite 1B	SEA	30	97	8	14	3	0	2	9	6	31	0	0	.144	.202	.237	.439
24 JarredKelenic CF	SEA	55	195	20	28	6	0	6	20	23	62	3	4	.144	.240	.267	.506
25 JoseMarmolejos 1B	SEA	31	79	8	11	2	0	3	9	14	32	0	0	.139	.266	.278	.544

 

[MarinersBestFan]

3Bman supposed to cover home? There was no excuse for him to hang around 3B.

Correct - 3b has responsibility of home plate on that play

Just like the catcher has responsibility of 3rd base when a runner is on 1st and the batter sac bunts the ball down the 3rd baseline, forcing the 3rd basemen to charge and make the putout throw to 1st base. the runner advancing to 2nd can easily out run the shortstop to 3rd, but not if the catcher covers his responsibility of accepting 3rd base positioning defensively.

 

[NWinAZ]

Correct - 3b has responsibility of home plate on that play

Just like the catcher has responsibility of 3rd base when a runner is on 1st and the batter sac bunts the ball down the 3rd baseline, forcing the 3rd basemen to charge and make the putout throw to 1st base. the runner advancing to 2nd can easily out run the shortstop to 3rd, but not if the catcher covers his responsibility of accepting 3rd base positioning defensively.

Watch the play again. The catcher doesn't go after the ball. He takes one step, slips, then quits 10 feet from the plate. I agree on a normal play that the catcher goes after it the 3B is responsible but the catcher wasn't part of the pop up.

 

[NWinAZ]

Watch the play again. The catcher doesn't go after the ball. He takes one step, slips, then quits 10 feet from the plate. I agree on a normal play that the catcher goes after it the 3B is responsible but the catcher wasn't part of the pop up.

Ok according to the Nats Manager, we are all wrong:

"We’ve got to get somebody back,” Nationals manager Dave Martinez said. “Once they see Zim going to catch the ball, for me, the pitcher goes to cover home. You can't have [third baseman] Carter [Kieboom] cover because there is a guy on second base, so he's got to stay put. But the pitcher's got to get to home."

 

[AceKeptic]

Basically put, they're ALL to blame for not even trying to compete!

Disgraceful show today. It's one thing if you gotta face a tougher team, but don't make it look that obvious!

They can get swept tomorrow for all I care.

 

[wazzu31]

Ok according to the Nats Manager, we are all wrong:

"We’ve got to get somebody back,” Nationals manager Dave Martinez said. “Once they see Zim going to catch the ball, for me, the pitcher goes to cover home. You can't have [third baseman] Carter [Kieboom] cover because there is a guy on second base, so he's got to stay put. But the pitcher's got to get to home."

That kind of seems like the smart move. Pitchers are told to stay away from fly balls. And got the most part cover home when the catcher leaves it open. But I’ve never really seen a play practiced like this scenario

 

[SeattleCoug]

This weekend again shows the Mariners were right not to push all their chips in a couple weeks ago. That’s not to say I give them a pass for their inactivity last winter. But as it stands right now they are more then 1 or 2 players away from being on the Astros level.

 

[ulmax]

Basically put, they're ALL to blame for not even trying to compete!

Disgraceful show today. It's one thing if you gotta face a tougher team, but don't make it look that obvious!

They can get swept tomorrow for all I care.

keep fighting....
i googled...best pitchers...... against.......houston astros...it gave me a list of....houston astros....'not"..what i was looking for.....

i wanted to see what type..of pitcher..does best against them......guess i will have to go to fangraphs





with an arrow through....achilles heel...maybe his ...peripheral vision...was not as good ..as it could have been



speculation.......of coarse...

 

[ulmax]

but houston has to ..have an......achilles heel.........just have to find it...no one is perfect........

and oakland...is even more............. vulnerable........than houston`
if fact it is my guess..they ..are close to not making the playoffs...and may not next year..and even a smaller chance not this year...but those free agents..they ..got at the deadline ..will prob still make it happen for them

 

[ulmax]

oakland rotation
Chris Bassitt 40 IL-10.....10 day
Cole Irvin 19..............................not the best ever..from phili
Sean Manaea 55......he is good..prob there best pitcher ..right nowxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Mike Fiers 50 IL-60...........OUT
James Kaprielian 32
Paul Blackburn 58..........in danger ..of gitting........... ROCKED


7-4 record

James Kaprielian #32​

• P
• B/T: R/R
• 6' 3"/225
• Age: 27

SummaryStatsChartsNewsSHOP

• James Douglas Kaprielian
• Born: 3/02/1994 in Laguna Hills, CA
• Draft: 2015, New York Yankees, Round: 1, Overall Pick: 16
• College: UCLA
• Debut: 8/16/2020

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Season	Team	LG	W	L	ERA	G	GS	GC	SHO	HLD	SV	SVO	IP	H	R	ER	HR	NP	HB	BB	IBB	SO	AVG	WHIP	GO/AO
2020	OAK	AL	0	0	7.36	2	0	0	0	0	0	0	3.2	4	3	3	2	71	0	2	0	4	.267	1.64	0.40
2021	OAK	AL	7	4	3.25	16	16	0	0	0	0	0	88.2	71	32	32	12	1439	2	33	0	87	.217	1.17	0.72
MLB Career	-	-	7	4	3.41	18	16	0	0	0	0	0	92.1	75	35	35	14	1510	2	35	0	91	.219	1.19

small..sample ..size....under..100 innings

 

[ulmax]

Seattle Mariners signed free agent RHP Matt Andriese.

Matt Andriese #27​

• P
• B/T: R/R
• 6' 2"/215
• Age: 31

SummaryStatsChartsNewsAwardsSHOP

• Matthew Lee Andriese
• Nickname: Dreezy
• Born: 8/28/1989 in Redlands, CA
• Draft: 2011, San Diego Padres, Round: 3, Overall Pick: 112
• College: UC Riverside
• Debut: 4/10/2015
• 
  

• 2019	ARI	NL	5	5	4.71	54	0	0	0	4	1	4	70.2	72	37	37	8	1204	3	27	4	79	.262	1.40	1.51
  2020	LAA	AL	2	4	4.50	16	1	0	0	3	2	3	32.0	21	17	16	5	500	1	11	0	33	.184	1.00	1.07
  2021	BOS	AL	2	3	6.03	26	0	0	0	3	1	4	37.1	55	29	25	7	681	3	11	0	38	.344	1.77	1.12
  MLB Career	-	-	28	37	4.68	209	50	1	1	15	8	15	498.0	522	278	259	76	8242	16	145	12	462	.267	1.34	1.07

  Advanced Career Stats​

 

[ulmax]

This weekend again shows the Mariners were right not to push all their chips in a couple weeks ago. That’s not to say I give them a pass for their inactivity last winter. But as it stands right now they are more then 1 or 2 players away from being on the Astros level.

yeah..but the diff...is this...the mariners..are going..up..hill...the.......astros going..down hill...they just have not started..to snowball...yet
oakland..is close..to snowballing......