Game Thread: MNF- Cleveland Browns @ Denver Broncos

[CEH]

We have PS2, and he's not shadowing JJ. What good is PS2 doing standing around on the other side of the field guarding the TE when JJ is running free on the other side just because he went in motion? It's not rocket science.

 

[iknowftbll]

This team is so ready for this absurdly late bye week. But it's going to be a tough week coming out. The Colts are a very important game. And then a short week to play a tough division opponent on TNF.

 

[Mountain Bronco]

Reading this thread in full this morning was hilarious. Some new blood getting all hot and bothered......

Not sure I will read much into this 13th straight game that was so all over the place with huge swings from a dumpster fire to elation within seconds. The NFL is like that and you just want the win at the end of the day. The one frustrating thing was seeing Juedy light it up when you have Surtain on the team. That can't happen going forward. Abrams Draine actually played decent at the end so maybe he is ready for some more PT. I thought that pass interference was a tough call as the receiver was arm baring him, but that is a welcome to the NFL moment.

The team pulled out a huge win before the bye week, but they clearly need a break. Hopefully Moss heals up and I am sure others are banged up and could use the rest. I think Bo needs the rest as well. You could see him in his coat looking pretty worn down on the sideline even after that last pick 6. As much as he played in College he never had 13 straight weeks of games. Should do his mind and back well.

We are squarely in the playoff hunt after week 13 with a real freaking chance to end this drought which is pretty exciting as a Broncos fan!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Draft Crazy]

Reading this thread in full this morning was hilarious. Some new blood getting all hot and bothered......

Not sure I will read much into this 13th straight game that was so all over the place with huge swings from a dumpster fire to elation within seconds. The NFL is like that and you just want the win at the end of the day. The one frustrating thing was seeing Juedy light it up when you have Surtain on the team. That can't happen going forward. Abrams Draine actually played decent at the end so maybe he is ready for some more PT. I thought that pass interference was a tough call as the receiver was arm baring him, but that is a welcome to the NFL moment.

The team pulled out a huge win before the bye week, but they clearly need a break. Hopefully Moss heals up and I am sure others are banged up and could use the rest. I think Bo needs the rest as well. You could see him in his coat looking pretty worn down on the sideline even after that last pick 6. As much as he played in College he never had 13 straight weeks of games. Should do his mind and back well.

We are squarely in the playoff hunt after week 13 with a real freaking chance to end this drought which is pretty exciting as a Broncos fan!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I thought the PI on Abrams-Draine was a good call but I do agree I think he might be able to carve out a roll as his rookie year goes on here.

Good post. Sort of echoing my 100 cruddy posts in this thread in bits and pieces..

 

[Mountain Bronco]

The PI was the right call, but receivers at this level bait CB's into that call with the arm bar on deep balls constantly so I don't really fault him for it and it is a teachable moment. Either he or Mathis need to carve out a roll as Wallace is not more than a dime guy at this point in time as he just can't run with fast receivers any more.

 

[Draft Crazy]

The PI was the right call, but receivers at this level bait CB's into that call with the arm bar on deep balls constantly so I don't really fault him for it and it is a teachable moment. Either he or Mathis need to carve out a roll as Wallace is not more than a dime guy at this point in time as he just can't run with fast receivers any more.

Yeah, CB's are at such a disadvantage given the rules.

 

[Orangeisback]

Sorry about my venting last night. Tend to do that while drinking and watching the game by myself. It just seemed to me like this wonderful defense was torched by Jeudy and they were. Frustrating since he really seems dynamic with those flashes.

I just don't trust VJ as.DC. looks rather outstanding against the lesser teams etc, but that was about as bad a defensive performance as the Ravens game.

Concerning

 

[redseat]

Bo saved my Fantasy League and got me the win last night! THANK YOU BO!!

 

[cdumler7]

I think last night proved the biggest issue on this team is depth. The starting 22 are all looking really good. We have had a couple of injuries we could weather like Singleton going down, but seems like any time one of our safeties misses some time Key struggles and when Surtain missed the Chargers game the entire defense struggled to adjust. This past game without Moss obviously was a concern.

And it should be expected that this is an issue. No draft picks hardly for the past few years and huge dead cap sitting there. We have been fortunate injury wise this season, but I definitely am nervous about any starter going down with injury and how the team can overcome losing them.

 

[cdumler7]

Shout out to Carl calling a great night by Bonitto. He didn’t hit the 2.5 sacks, but he did have a sack and I counted three pressures on the QB.

And by the way, toss in a pick 6!

I think the Pick-6 is equal to at least 2 sacks so I'll still count it as me getting this one almost right. Great game for him and just so awesome to see him grow as a player. I was skeptical when the Broncos picked him as his size and limited pass rushing moves had me wondering what he could become. Broncos have stuck with him and added a little more each year to his plate. He has worked his tail off to add some bulk and we saw last night some ventage Von Miller show the outside then spin back inside type pass rush from Bonitto. Sign him now before he keeps adding to his cost.

 

[Mountain Bronco]

I think last night proved the biggest issue on this team is depth. The starting 22 are all looking really good. We have had a couple of injuries we could weather like Singleton going down, but seems like any time one of our safeties misses some time Key struggles and when Surtain missed the Chargers game the entire defense struggled to adjust. This past game without Moss obviously was a concern.

And it should be expected that this is an issue. No draft picks hardly for the past few years and huge dead cap sitting there. We have been fortunate injury wise this season, but I definitely am nervous about any starter going down with injury and how the team can overcome losing them.

I thought about that last night as well. Depth is questionable, but really that is the case for a lot of teams. Have to keep staking drafts, a couple of key underrated signings (like Barton who I scoffed at initially) and developing players for depth to improve.

 

[cdumler7]

I thought about that last night as well. Depth is questionable, but really that is the case for a lot of teams. Have to keep staking drafts, a couple of key underrated signings (like Barton who I scoffed at initially) and developing players for depth to improve.

It is definitely part of the rebuilding process. I just look at the Chiefs right now and they have lost a lot of starters yet they still keep on going. They have built great depth over the past several years. The thing they have been lacking lately is actually finding stars. They have Creed Humphrey, Rashee Rice, Trent McDuffie, and I would add Nick Bolton to that list. The others have been some decent depth pieces, but with guys like Chris Jones and Travis Kelce getting older they will need a couple to emerge as true stars if they plan on staying at the top for a very long time.

As for us I just wish this upcoming draft had a little better depth. Thankfully our biggest needs line up with the biggest positions of strength so maybe we could be adding some nice talent that really round out this team. I do think CB and Safety though are bigger needs than people want to admit. Maybe KAD helps fill that backup CB spot for us moving forward, but as of right now if any of our 3 starters go down we have a real problem on our hands. Same with Safety. Key and Skinner just are not it. I wouldn't be shocked if the Broncos did go safety in the 1st round. There are a couple of nice names at the position and they could still find their way on the field early in their career as they get a chance to learn from Jones and Locke.

Guys like Malaki Starks, Kamari Ramsey, Xavier Watts, Sebastian Castro for example in the first two days of the draft could be fun players to add to this defense.

 

[Mingo]

I think last night proved the biggest issue on this team is depth. The starting 22 are all looking really good. We have had a couple of injuries we could weather like Singleton going down, but seems like any time one of our safeties misses some time Key struggles and when Surtain missed the Chargers game the entire defense struggled to adjust. This past game without Moss obviously was a concern.

And it should be expected that this is an issue. No draft picks hardly for the past few years and huge dead cap sitting there. We have been fortunate injury wise this season, but I definitely am nervous about any starter going down with injury and how the team can overcome losing them.

It's part of the game. The Bronco's injury record is the product of their design in player training - which takes it back to Sean Payton's full tenure as a HC.

Player depth in the defensive secondary is certainly a question to solve. Hats off to Jerry Jeudy though who showed greatness in this game. I saw Jerry Jeudy and Sean Payton greet each other's as old friends (as did Jaimes Winston). Sean Payton is really close to his players - and they seem to love him.

Looking at the game from the other end of the spectrum - it says a lot about the character of these Broncos to just find another way to win this game. The Broncos won a shootout - in a year where the Defense was carrying them. Complimentary football (of course pic 6's help a lot).

 

[Draft Crazy]

Sorry about my venting last night. Tend to do that while drinking and watching the game by myself. It just seemed to me like this wonderful defense was torched by Jeudy and they were. Frustrating since he really seems dynamic with those flashes.

I just don't trust VJ as.DC. looks rather outstanding against the lesser teams etc, but that was about as bad a defensive performance as the Ravens game.

Concerning

We haven't won in 8 years... Tough to see people unhappy when we win. You need a good ole fashion Mingo hug.

 

[cdumler7]

It's part of the game. The Bronco's injury record is the product of their design in player training - which takes it back to Sean Payton's full tenure as a HC.

Player depth in the defensive secondary is certainly a question to solve. Hats off to Jerry Jeudy though who showed greatness in this game. I saw Jerry Jeudy and Sean Payton greet each other's as old friends (as did Jaimes Winston). Sean Payton is really close to his players - and they seem to love him.

Looking at the game from the other end of the spectrum - it says a lot about the character of these Broncos to just find another way to win this game. The Broncos won a shootout - in a year where the Defense was carrying them. Complimentary football (of course pic 6's help a lot).

I would agree that our new training staff has done an incredible job. We are not seeing those pesky hamstring or high ankle sprains that we have seen in the past *knock on wood*. But even beyond that I was thinking about which starters have we actually lose this year...Singleton and I guess you could say Browning was expected to be the starter. Reynolds is another that started the season as a starter but for the most part this really has been a very healthy team. I expect that trend to continue moving forward with this new training staff/dietary group, but this offseason is about filling in the few holes we have left and getting that depth up to par.

 

[Draft Crazy]

Hamstring injuries. Good grief I remember @LGM and I had a running joke about pulled hammy's up until last year.

 

[cdumler7]

Hamstring injuries. Good grief I remember @LGM and I had a running joke about pulled hammy's up until last year.

It seemed like half the roster would have a pulled hammy coming out of training camp.

 

[Draft Crazy]

It seemed like half the roster would have a pulled hammy coming out of training camp.

I was never so tired of a hamstring at that point.

 

[LGM]

It seemed like half the roster would have a pulled hammy coming out of training camp.

At one point I think we had an over/under on hamstring injuries listed on Friday at 3. Sad.

 

[Draft Crazy]

At one point I think we had an over/under on hamstring injuries listed on Friday at 3. Sad.

Always went with the over.