Minnesota #1? Why not?!

[Stakesarehigh]

And your point is? I've NEVER said UMn was better than OSU in football. At least not since 1967.

Minny has won 2 games against OSU since then

That's 56 years man.

So prob keep OSU football out of your points to be made.

 

[fredsdeadfriend]

 

[PnkPanther]

I'll be there

Ditto. Ill be the one in maroon

 

[PnkPanther]

Minny has won 2 games against OSU since then

That's 56 years man.

So prob keep OSU football out of your points to be made.

Ron Johnson is your daddy.


We had you guys nervous last year, otherwise known as a Nebraska win

 

[fredsdeadfriend]

Fargo is a great movie and Brock Lesnar is pretty cool too.

And Raising Arizona, The Big Lebowski and Oh Brother Where Art Thou, too. Rick Flair, Verne Gagne & Gable Steveson, too.

 

[PnkPanther]

Apologies. Twice. I was under 1 when minny won in 81

Didn't tOhsu have a QB with gambling problem for that one?

 

[fredsdeadfriend]

Minny has won 2 games against OSU since then

That's 56 years man.

So prob keep OSU football out of your points to be made.

One of your fellow OSU fans was being a moron so pointing at OSU football directly was the best way to make him look like the idiot he is. And it pushed that idiot to make my point for me, lol. He's a chump, I've got ZERO issues with tOSU as a school and football program.

 

[wazzu31]

Don't you hate on incarnate word

Never even heard of them until this off-season. We paid their QB a couple hundred grand to come play for us then somehow they get better.

 

[Gator]

The thing is, I showed how it's clear that the ACC is a lesser conference as compared to the B1G, so a 7-6 ACC team is no where as good as a 7-6 B1G team.

I'm sure a thorough analysis of how 5-7, 6-6, 7-5, and 8-4 teams from both the ACC and B1G do in their bowl games would show this "opinion" of mine is based in factual data. But at the moment I don't want to take the time to do that analysis.


And you keep ignoring THAT FACT that playing more ranked teams or teams with winning records doesn't mean you are a better team,

but beating THREE Top 20 teams compared to only beating one 19th ranked team,
and beating THREE bowl game opponents compared to only beating one,

those FACTS speak much louder to the average cfb fan.


What skews things for you simple minded moronic fans is that you can't stop from letting what's happened since 2011 distort and bias your perspective.

Whoa, whoa, whoa! How and where did you PROVE that "the ACC is a lesser conference"????? I'm sure you show that with geometric logic Capt. Queeg!

 

[fredsdeadfriend]

And "average" P5 team will poach him? LMMFGDAO@youGator!!! This is the least intelligent opinion I may have ever heard from someone I'd other expect better, but your bs in this thread has led me to believe you are a moron.

First of all, it's much easier for a team from Clemson's division to get a winning record, playing against each other.


Dude, I am FAR from the only cfb fan that believes the ACC is a weak conference.

Let's look at the "conference breakdown" at the bottom of each season's page at collegepollarchive dot com.

2008 - ACC - 1182 - 3 tms
2008 - B1G - 2621 - 4 tms

2009 - ACC - 2156 - 4 tms
2009 - B1G - 3937 - 4 tms

2010 - ACC - 1342 - 4 tms
2010 - B1G - 2971 - 3 tms

2011 - ACC - 671 - 3 tms
2011 - B1G - 2760 - 4 tms

2012 - ACC - 1811 - 2 tms
2012 - B1G - 2011 - 4 tms

2013 - ACC - 2768 - 3 tms
2013 - B1G - 2446 - 3 tms

2014 - ACC - 3082 - 4 tms
2014 - B1G - 3411 - 3 tms

2015 - ACC - 2657 - 3 tms
2015 - B1G - 4996 - 6 tms

2016 - ACC - 3830 - 5 tms
2016 - B1G - 4403 - 4 tms

2017 - ACC - 2419 - 4 tms
2017 - B1G - 4833 - 5 tms

2018 - ACC - 2208 - 2 tms
2018 - B1G - 3005 - 5 tms

2019 - ACC - 1487 - 1 tm
2019 - B1G - 5466 - 6 tms

2020 - ACC - 3473 - 4 tms
2020 - B1G - 3710 - 4 tms

2021 - ACC - 2194 - 4 tms
2021 - B1G - 3805 - 4 tms

totals - ACC - 31,280 cumulative points since 2008 & 46 Top 25 ranked teams during Dabo's tenure as head coach of Clemson,
totals - B1G - 50,375 cumulative points since 2008 & 59 Top 25 ranked teams during Dabo's tenure as head coach of Clemson.

So the B1G garnered 60+% more points over that time period than the ACC and put 28% more teams into the AP Top 25 polls over that time period.



So yeah, the ACC is a weaker conference compared to the B1G. This is common knowledge among cfb fans

There Gator, did you miss this post?

50.375 > 31,280

59 > 46


So the AP pollsters declared pretty clearly that the ACC was a weaker conference, at least compared to the B1G.

Or can't you do math?

 

[Ojb81]

goofers suck

 

[fredsdeadfriend]

Whoa, whoa, whoa! How and where did you PROVE that "the ACC is a lesser conference"????? I'm sure you show that with geometric logic Capt. Queeg!

since the start of 2008, ALL 14 B1G teams have cracked the Top 25 rankings at least once. Only 11 acc teams accomplished this feat.

I went to collegepollarchive dot com, input 2008 to 2021, and got the rankings for the top teams in the nation according to the # of appearances teams made in the ap poll.

OSU ranked 3rd - 214 app,
Clemson ranked 5th - 173 app,
Wisc ranked 8th - 158 app,
Mich ranked 12th - 133 app,
MSU ranked 15th - 123 app,
PSU ranked 16th - 120 app,
FSU ranked 19th - 117 app,
VT ranked 25th - 93 app,
Iowa ranked 26th - 87 app,
Neb ranked 27th - 86 app,
Miami ranked 28th - 84 app,
Louis ranked 36th - 62 app,
UNC ranked 44th - 44 app,
GT ranked 45th - 42 app,
NW ranked 46th - 41 app,
Pitt ranked 49th - 35 app,
NCSU ranked 53rd - 29 app,
WF ranked 57th - 25 app,
UMn ranked 65th - 17 app,
Duke ranked 70th - 13 app,
Indy ranked 71st - 12 app,
Illini ranked 74th - 10 app,
Rutg ranked 80th - 9 app, Syra ranked 80th - 9 app,
Virg ranked 81st - 8 app,
BC ranked 86th - 7 app,
Mary ranked 89th - 6 app, Mary ranked 89th - 6 app,
Pur ranked 104th - 1 app.


I gave both conf's credit for Maryland


B1G total appearances in the AP Top 25 poll 2008-2021 = 1017 appearances
ACC total appearances in the AP Top 25 poll 2008-2021 = 747 appearances.

This is WAY too easy dude.

 

[wazzu31]

since the start of 2008, ALL 14 B1G teams have cracked the Top 25 rankings at least once. Only 11 acc teams accomplished this feat.

I went to collegepollarchive dot com, input 2008 to 2021, and got the rankings for the top teams in the nation according to the # of appearances teams made in the ap poll.

OSU ranked 3rd - 214 app,
Clemson ranked 5th - 173 app,
Wisc ranked 8th - 158 app,
Mich ranked 12th - 133 app,
MSU ranked 15th - 123 app,
PSU ranked 16th - 120 app,
FSU ranked 19th - 117 app,
VT ranked 25th - 93 app,
Iowa ranked 26th - 87 app,
Neb ranked 27th - 86 app,
Miami ranked 28th - 84 app,
Louis ranked 36th - 62 app,
UNC ranked 44th - 44 app,
GT ranked 45th - 42 app,
NW ranked 46th - 41 app,
Pitt ranked 49th - 35 app,
NCSU ranked 53rd - 29 app,
WF ranked 57th - 25 app,
UMn ranked 65th - 17 app,
Duke ranked 70th - 13 app,
Indy ranked 71st - 12 app,
Illini ranked 74th - 10 app,
Rutg ranked 80th - 9 app, Syra ranked 80th - 9 app,
Virg ranked 81st - 8 app,
BC ranked 86th - 7 app,
Mary ranked 89th - 6 app, Mary ranked 89th - 6 app,
Pur ranked 104th - 1 app.


I gave both conf's credit for Maryland


B1G total appearances in the AP Top 25 poll 2008-2021 = 1017 appearances
ACC total appearances in the AP Top 25 poll 2008-2021 = 747 appearances.

This is WAY too easy dude.

Even though your numbers are flawed. What does 2008 have to do with your statement.

 

[fredsdeadfriend]

Even though your numbers are flawed. What does 2008 have to do with your statement.

#1, explain how my numbers are flawed? I merely posted factual information.

2008 is when Dabo was made coach of Clemson.

 

[fredsdeadfriend]

UMn, this season so far, ranks

#1 in Total Defense,
#2 in Scoring Defense,
#3 in Rush Defense,
#5 in Pass Defense.

All four are Top 5, while NO OTHER TEAM in the country can claim to rank Top 20 even, in all 4 of those.

And before you all respond with, look who they've played,

Remember this...

UMn finished last year ranked #3 nationally in Total Defense. So #5 in 2019-present, #3 in 2021, #1 in 2022 so far? They seem to only be getting better as time goes by.




going back to the start of 2019, including 2020 even, and 2021 and the 2 games this year, UMn ranks quite well defensively,

#4 nationally in passing yards allowed.
#5 nationally in total yards allowed.
#5 nationally in first downs allowed.
#6 nationally in total plays allowed.
#6 nationally in rush attempts allowed.
#7 nationally in passing 1st downs allowed.
#8 nationally in passing TDs allowed.
#9 nationally in pass completions allowed.
#9 nationally in rushing first downs allowed.
#15 nationally in completion %,
#15 nationally in rushing yards allowed.
#16 nationally in pass attempts allowed.
#16 nationally in points allowed.


Who are the 4 teams that beat them out in total yards allowed? Georgia, Bama I'm sure, Ohio St maybe, Clemson? Just my guesses, and if I'm right, that's not bad company to be keeping.

 

[fredsdeadfriend]

And looking at the roster information, the entire starting defense "could" come back if they wanted to. Every starter has at least one year of eligibility left. I'm guessing at least 1 or 2 will go off into the NFL, but there are 3 players with 5 years in and at least a year of eligibility left who could step in next season unless a younger player beats them out of course, like young guys Nubin & Walley did this year.

 

[wazzu31]

#1, explain how my numbers are flawed? I merely posted factual information.

2008 is when Dabo was made coach of Clemson.

Because they are irrelevant to your statement.

And Dabo’s Clemson team from where he took over means what.

 

[fredsdeadfriend]

Because they are irrelevant to your statement.

And Dabo’s Clemson team from where he took over means what.

I was showing how the B1G is the better conference than the ACC, something that was called into question.

"And Dabo's Clemson team from where he took over means what." I am guessing you meant to put a question mark at the end of that sentence?

Dabo's 2nd, 3rd & 4th seasons, compared to Fleck's 2nd, 3rd & 4th non covid affected seasons, shows Fleck to have accomplished more than Dabo did. Proving nothing more than it's possible that Fleck could continue to progress in a similar manner as Dabo did, who went 11-2 in his 5th season, got to the cfp in his 8th season and won the Natl Title in his 9th season.

Sure, Dabo's recruiting rankings were better going into his 5th season and that may end up stopping Fleck from keeping up Dabo the way he has so far, but as those numbers I posted are evidence of, his conference was weaker than the B1G is, only one single solitary ACC team got into the Top Ten of the EOS AP poll those 3 years, VT snuck in at #10, and Dabo didn't have to play them. Minnesota had to play several Top Ten teams in conference play in Fleck's 2nd, 3rd and 4th non covid affected seasons, and Fleck beat one of them, PSU, who was 8-0 going into the game. Fleck won 3 bowl games and beat 3 Top 20 ranked teams during those 3 seasons, Dabo only beat unranked UK in 3 bowl games and 19th ranked Miami in conference play those 3 years. So it can be argued Fleck accomplished much more than Dabo did, at least on the field and against the best competition.

So maybe the recruiting thing will catch up to Fleck, along with the tougher competition UMn has to play IN CONF, because it's Div titles that get you into Conf title games and then onto the cfp, not ooc games. Dabo's losing to #1 Aub, #6 TCU, #9 S Car, #22 S Car & unranked S Car in ooc play those 3 seasons didn't stop them from making 2 conf title games and a bowl game each year, because they played in such a weak conference, they could lose to good teams and still get into their conf title game 2 of the 3 years and into 3 bowl games, of which they lost 2 of the 3, once to an unranked team, with the only win coming against an unranked team. The recruiting obviously made the team get better, whereas in his 5th season he lost fewer in conf games, but still lost to both of the Top Ten opponents Clemson played, FSU the only other team in the conf that was ranked, and S Car for the 4th straight year.

 

[fredsdeadfriend]

Whoa, whoa, whoa! How and where did you PROVE that "the ACC is a lesser conference"????? I'm sure you show that with geometric logic Capt. Queeg!

And according to your end all be all metric of head to head being the only factor that matters, I now know that UMn OWNS the Best Division in cfb, the SEC West. UMn has NEVER LOST to an SEC West team, ever, not once in all of history. And if Texas gets moved to the SEC West, that status won't change because UMn's never been beaten by Texas, either!!!

 

[wazzu31]

I was showing how the B1G is the better conference than the ACC, something that was called into question.

"And Dabo's Clemson team from where he took over means what." I am guessing you meant to put a question mark at the end of that sentence?

Dabo's 2nd, 3rd & 4th seasons, compared to Fleck's 2nd, 3rd & 4th non covid affected seasons, shows Fleck to have accomplished more than Dabo did. Proving nothing more than it's possible that Fleck could continue to progress in a similar manner as Dabo did, who went 11-2 in his 5th season, got to the cfp in his 8th season and won the Natl Title in his 9th season.

Sure, Dabo's recruiting rankings were better going into his 5th season and that may end up stopping Fleck from keeping up Dabo the way he has so far, but as those numbers I posted are evidence of, his conference was weaker than the B1G is, only one single solitary ACC team got into the Top Ten of the EOS AP poll those 3 years, VT snuck in at #10, and Dabo didn't have to play them. Minnesota had to play several Top Ten teams in conference play in Fleck's 2nd, 3rd and 4th non covid affected seasons, and Fleck beat one of them, PSU, who was 8-0 going into the game. Fleck won 3 bowl games and beat 3 Top 20 ranked teams during those 3 seasons, Dabo only beat unranked UK in 3 bowl games and 19th ranked Miami in conference play those 3 years. So it can be argued Fleck accomplished much more than Dabo did, at least on the field and against the best competition.

So maybe the recruiting thing will catch up to Fleck, along with the tougher competition UMn has to play IN CONF, because it's Div titles that get you into Conf title games and then onto the cfp, not ooc games. Dabo's losing to #1 Aub, #6 TCU, #9 S Car, #22 S Car & unranked S Car in ooc play those 3 seasons didn't stop them from making 2 conf title games and a bowl game each year, because they played in such a weak conference, they could lose to good teams and still get into their conf title game 2 of the 3 years and into 3 bowl games, of which they lost 2 of the 3, once to an unranked team, with the only win coming against an unranked team. The recruiting obviously made the team get better, whereas in his 5th season he lost fewer in conf games, but still lost to both of the Top Ten opponents Clemson played, FSU the only other team in the conf that was ranked, and S Car for the 4th straight year.

But you didn’t prove anything. What does 2008-18 have to do with your argument.