Miami Dolphins Rebuilding - Again

[SteelersPride]

You do realize that every year there is a draft with FA signed right? Not every player out of 53 was drafted in the first three rounds right? I have no time to look up the stats but have heard many times that the number of players on every roster who fit this category is higher than what you try to insinuate. You don't seem to understand the point I'm making so I'm not sure how to explain this any better.

of course you dont have time. If you did you would know what you were talking about. Instead you spew crap. i provided you all the information. Your point is moot, because it is twisted from what im actually saying. Learn to comprehend whats being said, get the facts, then reply.

I never said guys have to be in the first three rounds to succeed. I have stated time and time again, that statistically, over years and decades of data, that the odds of a guy making it drop DRASTICALLY after round 3.

Your reply, " well this guy was round 7, and this guy was round 6, its possible" Is basically your reply. NO SHIT ITS POSSIBLE. but for every 100 guys 6 make it. where for every 100 in the first 50 make it. or something around there. see the odds drop. Do you comprehend? SO if you have a whole bunch of picks, the later they are, the less chance they make it. No comprendo?

 

[SteelersPride]

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See there you go again I said some of the young guys have potential... read clearly potential. I also mentioned Preston Williams and Grant who have shown that they belong. Stop it with Fitz we all know who he is but Rosen needs to play to find out more. Ballage isn't producing but then again that oline is very up and down. Last few weeks they have been bad. I'm not going to stake a man's career because of that. You already did that with Tanny look where it got you looking like an idiot.

ok well lets see, the potential isnt there anymore.

I only brought up tyrod as you kept spouting off about the guy and how much better he is than tanny. Just proves how wrong you can be. Tanny now has a decent oline and system and he's producing I was trying to make that point and you kept shooting it down as he was garbage...

again, irrelevant to the point. Tanny's hyper efficiency is unsustainable anyways, hes thrown 36 passes in two weeks and has 6 total TD's

 

[FlyerFinFan]

of course you dont have time. If you did you would know what you were talking about. Instead you spew crap. i provided you all the information. Your point is moot, because it is twisted from what im actually saying. Learn to comprehend whats being said, get the facts, then reply.

I never said guys have to be in the first three rounds to succeed. I have stated time and time again, that statistically, over years and decades of data, that the odds of a guy making it drop DRASTICALLY after round 3.

Your reply, " well this guy was round 7, and this guy was round 6, its possible" Is basically your reply. NO SHIT ITS POSSIBLE. but for every 100 guys 6 make it. where for every 100 in the first 50 make it. or something around there. see the odds drop. Do you comprehend? SO if you have a whole bunch of picks, the later they are, the less chance they make it. No comprendo?

Here you go jackass. You are straight wrong.

Tracking NFL Draft Efficiency: How Contingent Is Success To Draft Position?

 

[FlyerFinFan]

ok well lets see, the potential isnt there anymore.


again, irrelevant to the point. Tanny's hyper efficiency is unsustainable anyways, hes thrown 36 passes in two weeks and has 6 total TD's

He's 4-1 with a team that was struggling with their franchise QB. You are blind...but yeah allpro tyrod is being shafted comical.

 

[SteelersPride]

Here you go jackass. You are straight wrong.

Tracking NFL Draft Efficiency: How Contingent Is Success To Draft Position?

holy shit your're an idiot. This backs me up. lets have some hot takes! also this is 2014 only. I provided you with data mulled from years and years...... but thanks.


gee looks like dropping percentages? yes?


"
Nearly 30% of all starters were 1st round draft picks when drafted into the league;

- Roughly 30% were taken in either the 2nd or 3rd round;

- Roughly 26% were taken in either rounds 4 through 7;

- Undrafted players (14%) were the 3rd most likely group to comprise 2014’s starters…only behind 1st round (30%) and 2nd round (18%) picks.




wow same thing drastic declines

"In sum, the expectation that first-round picks are more likely to start, succeed, and have staying power is confirmed.

However, with 40% of 2014's starters and 38% of All-Pros from 2012 through 2014 coming after the 2nd round (with 14% and 10% of these being undrafted players), this shows there's value deep into the draft."

author acknowledges higher rounds are far more likely to succeed. Then states like i said, that you can find value later in the draft.

Thanks for playing. Im done here. Your article confirms things.

 

[SteelersPride]

He's 4-1 with a team that was struggling with their franchise QB. You are blind...but yeah allpro tyrod is being shafted comical.

but not good enough for them all star phins.......

 

[FlyerFinFan]

holy shit your're an idiot. This backs me up. lets have some hot takes! also this is 2014 only. I provided you with data mulled from years and years...... but thanks.

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gee looks like dropping percentages? yes?


"
Nearly 30% of all starters were 1st round draft picks when drafted into the league;

- Roughly 30% were taken in either the 2nd or 3rd round;

- Roughly 26% were taken in either rounds 4 through 7;

- Undrafted players (14%) were the 3rd most likely group to comprise 2014’s starters…only behind 1st round (30%) and 2nd round (18%) picks.


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wow same thing drastic declines

"In sum, the expectation that first-round picks are more likely to start, succeed, and have staying power is confirmed.

However, with 40% of 2014's starters and 38% of All-Pros from 2012 through 2014 coming after the 2nd round (with 14% and 10% of these being undrafted players), this shows there's value deep into the draft."

author acknowledges higher rounds are far more likely to succeed. Then states like i said, that you can find value later in the draft.

Thanks for playing. Im done here. Your article confirms things.

Are you mentally handicapped? Those are percentages not how many players overall. Theres more than 6 players in the league after round 4 hell there's more undrafted yet you state there's barely any. Grab a brain man.

 

[FlyerFinFan]

but not good enough for them all star phins.......

Sure he was good enough but why rebuild with a QB who's expensive and won't be around when they are good? Fitz is only there to mentor and he's cheap.

 

[SteelersPride]

Are you mentally handicapped? Those are percentages not how many players overall. Theres more than 6 players in the league after round 4 hell there's more undrafted yet you state there's barely any. Grab a brain man.

ok you really are an idiot. Yes , they are the percentage of players, from that round holy crap.

 

[10HtownRebs]

but not good enough for them all star phins.......

Are you talking shit again??

 

[FlyerFinFan]

ok you really are an idiot. Yes , they are the percentage of players, from that round holy crap.

Ok so how many 4th round to undrafted are in the league. I bet more than just a handful as you have been spewing here.

 

[SteelersPride]

Are you talking shit again??

i just dont see whats so hard. Its proven, that guys drafted round 4 or later dont last as long in the league and have a much lesser chance of making it in the leage.

 

[SteelersPride]

Ok so how many 4th round to undrafted are in the league. I bet more than just a handful as you have been spewing here.

again, i didnt say a handful, you twisted again. Im done. Your article supported my point, and when you get proven wrong, you pivot, and twist things

 

[FlyerFinFan]

i just dont see whats so hard. Its proven, that guys drafted round 4 or later dont last as long in the league and have a much lesser chance of making it in the leage.

Yet the percentages say otherwise. Almost half of the league comes from round 4 to undrafted players. Sure the percentages drop in comparison to the first round but they still make up a high percentage of the league. Do the math. So my point is that the more picks and cap you have gives you the ability to find more players you just can't seem to comprehend this. Although I'm trying my best you just can't seem to understand the numbers and I'm the one changing things wow...

 

[SteelersPride]

Yet the percentages say otherwise. Almost half of the league comes from round 4 to undrafted players. Sure the percentages drop in comparison to the first round but they still make up a high percentage of the league. Do the math. So my point is that the more picks and cap you have gives you the ability to find more players you just can't seem to comprehend this. Although I'm trying my best you just can't seem to understand the numbers and I'm the one changing things wow...

the math is laid out for you. you can twist it how you want, its proven.

 

[FlyerFinFan]

the math is laid out for you. you can twist it how you want, its proven.

Ok so over 40% of the league is made up of players from round 4 and FA's. You flat out told us all that you can't find any players past round 3 which is wrong. Players only last 3 years so who gives a rats ass how long they last the bottom line is your spewing BS but won't admit it. Either way use Miami as the example in the next few years. We'll see if they can even field 53 players because according to you its impossible.

 

[SteelersPride]

Ok so over 40% of the league is made up of players from round 4 and FA's. You flat out told us all that you can't find any players past round 3 which is wrong. Players only last 3 years so who gives a rats ass how long they last the bottom line is your spewing BS but won't admit it. Either way use Miami as the example in the next few years. We'll see if they can even field 53 players because according to you its impossible.

again, the math is there for you. The research was done for you. You are twisting it. Again, never said impossible. I also never said you cant find a player past round 3. I actually even dug that quote up and posted just the other day, to prove you wrong again. Please stop lying, please stop twisting. When you can refute the data presented, the research done time and time again. Please come back

 

[FlyerFinFan]

again, the math is there for you. The research was done for you. You are twisting it. Again, never said impossible. I also never said you cant find a player past round 3. I actually even dug that quote up and posted just the other day, to prove you wrong again. Please stop lying, please stop twisting. When you can refute the data presented, the research done time and time again. Please come back

Wouldn't twisting things be more like the Fins have no chance of acquiring enough players as they need over 30 by your estimation even though they have 14 draft picks, undrafted FA and FA with over 100 M in cap. I simply tried to explain that almost half of the league comes from round 4 and FA but you don't get it. Just like you don't get that Tyrod isn't better than Tanny...

 

[SteelersPride]

Wouldn't twisting things be more like the Fins have no chance of acquiring enough players as they need over 30 by your estimation even though they have 14 draft picks, undrafted FA and FA with over 100 M in cap. I simply tried to explain that almost half of the league comes from round 4 and FA but you don't get it. Just like you don't get that Tyrod isn't better than Tanny...

again, you're deflecting. Please dispute the data. You continue to run around. You also bring up things that just weren't said. You lie. I even quote it to prove it. Again, come back when you can stay on topic, and refute.

 

[FlyerFinFan]

again, you're deflecting. Please dispute the data. You continue to run around. You also bring up things that just weren't said. You lie. I even quote it to prove it. Again, come back when you can stay on topic, and refute.

I did you moron 40% of the players in the league come from round 4 and later plus FA. That's almost half a roster which proves that you don't need to find your entire lineup in the first 3 rounds. To help the cause they have 5 first round picks in the next two years and multiple 2nd and 3rds. I never said they would turn their roster around in 1 year but I'm betting you will see improvement in the next few years. They already found some players with this years purge so they aren't starting at 0 like you would believe.