Lottery watch 2019 - quest for Zion

[SJ76]

My top 5 would be:

1. Morant(I know I'm in the minority here, but I think he grades out better)
2. Zion
3. RJ Barrett
4. Brandon Clarke
5. De'Andre Hunter

Reddish has really slipped IMO. I'd take Culver over him(despite Culver struggling in the F4).

Some late first/early second projected sleepers I like: Eric Paschall, Admiral Schofield, Cam Johnson and Terrance Mann.

Is it a stretch to say Zion and Culver could end up turning into Lebron Durant 2.0? Might be a little but it is possible.

 

[WiggyRuss]

Just watched this. Not sure if I agree with some of it or most but he does makes some good points. One point is that RJ can be a ball handler and set up the offense. I don't agree with the Mamba mentality yet, I mean he has the tunnel vision and doesn't seem very clutch. Missed two FT's down the stretch, a bad FT shooter...etc. Interesting watch though.

@WiggyRuss

i mean, like i have been saying, if Barrett was the sophomore and Morant the freshman you very well might be saying the opposite of where you are at now- but its just hard to tell

its why i would be happy with any of the top 3...all 3 are elite level NBA prospects. Barrett has all the tools that is for sure.

just as a protoype NBA player- with his size and skill set, he is just a protoype 2 guard.

Zion has his body-type issues , and Morant is a little short (i mean- not THAT short- but i mean, ideally maybe youd like him to be 6'4-6'5 intead of listed at 6' 3"......

Barrett is set...6'7"-6'8" shooting guard with a huge wing span and NOT built like a twig like Brandon Ingram....he checks a lot of boxes.

 

[ArlingtonCowboys100]

Good thing it isn't up to the NBA.

You do realize the Lakers have 2.0%. Not sure how that is likely lol.

How many times has the team with the worst record won the lotto? Not many and with the old odds the worst team should have won many more times. The lotto was implemented so the NBA could make sure certain teams stay on top. I just think Zion going to the Lakers is logical. Look at the history of the lotto and when the HOF type talents are in the draft. The new odds were implement so the NBA had an excuse for when a team like Dallas or the Lakers etc could win. There have been more than a few instances over the years where a team with very low odds won the lotto when a truly great prospect was in the draft.

 

[ArlingtonCowboys100]

Orlando Magic 1993. After winning the lotto and selecting shaq in 1992 the magic finished 41-41. This was not good enough and the NBA wanted to give shaq some help. The magic had a 1.5 % chance to win the 1993 lotto and the NBA made sure they won the lotto. RIGGED

 

[Shanemansj13]

Orlando Magic 1993. After winning the lotto and selecting shaq in 1992 the magic finished 41-41. This was not good enough and the NBA wanted to give shaq some help. The magic had a 1.5 % chance to win the 1993 lotto and the NBA made sure they won the lotto. RIGGED

There have been two times in 34 years a team with a very small chance won the lotto: Magic 1993 and Cavs 2014 (9th in lottery). One was Shaq and one was Wiggins.

Like I said before no way it is rigged LOL

How many times has the team with the worst record won the lotto? Not many and with the old odds the worst team should have won many more times. The lotto was implemented so the NBA could make sure certain teams stay on top. I just think Zion going to the Lakers is logical. Look at the history of the lotto and when the HOF type talents are in the draft. The new odds were implement so the NBA had an excuse for when a team like Dallas or the Lakers etc could win. There have been more than a few instances over the years where a team with very low odds won the lotto when a truly great prospect was in the draft.

There is a big difference between a top 5 team winning the lotto and the 11th team winning the lotto. It is far from rigged.

 

[Shanemansj13]

You could throw in New Jersey in 2000 but they got Kenyon Martin LOL

 

[shopson67]

Is it a stretch to say Zion and Culver could end up turning into Lebron Durant 2.0? Might be a little but it is possible.

Big stretch IMO, especially in the Culver/Durant comparison. NBADraftNet comps are Barkley/Griffin and Nick Anderson respectively.

 

[shopson67]

How many times has the team with the worst record won the lotto? Not many and with the old odds the worst team should have won many more times. The lotto was implemented so the NBA could make sure certain teams stay on top. I just think Zion going to the Lakers is logical. Look at the history of the lotto and when the HOF type talents are in the draft. The new odds were implement so the NBA had an excuse for when a team like Dallas or the Lakers etc could win. There have been more than a few instances over the years where a team with very low odds won the lotto when a truly great prospect was in the draft.

34 drafts (since 1985), with varying odds (have changed probabilities multiple times over the years, here are the pre-lottery positions that have won the #1 pick:

1: 8 times (including the last 4)
2: 2
3: 7
4: 3
5: 5
6: 3
7: 2
8: 1
9: 2
10: 0
11: 1

HOF types (and their teams pre-lottery position):

Ewing: Knicks (3)
David Robinson: Spurs (4) -small market and not a perennial playoff team yet
Shaq: Magic (2) - 3rd year in the league
Webber/Hardaway: Magic (11)
Iverson: Sixers (2)
Duncan: Spurs (3)
Yao: Rockets (5)
Lebron: Cavs (1)
Dwight Howard: Magic (1)
Durant: Sonics (5th, picked 2nd overall: Portland jumped from 7th to pick Oden)
Rose: Bulls (9)
AD: Hornets/Pelicans (4)

 

[Shanemansj13]

34 drafts (since 1985), with varying odds (have changed probabilities multiple times over the years, here are the pre-lottery positions that have won the #1 pick:

1: 8 times (including the last 4)
2: 2
3: 7
4: 3
5: 5
6: 3
7: 2
8: 1
9: 2
10: 0
11: 1

HOF types (and their teams pre-lottery position):

Ewing: Knicks (3)
David Robinson: Spurs (4) -small market and not a perennial playoff team yet
Shaq: Magic (2) - 3rd year in the league
Webber/Hardaway: Magic (11)
Iverson: Sixers (2)
Duncan: Spurs (3)
Yao: Rockets (5)
Lebron: Cavs (1)
Dwight Howard: Magic (1)
Durant: Sonics (5th, picked 2nd overall: Portland jumped from 7th to pick Oden)
Rose: Bulls (9)
AD: Hornets/Pelicans (4)

That seems very rigged to me lol

 

[shopson67]

That seems very rigged to me lol

In this decade, it seems like it could be if you think that way, notably in favor of the Cavs. In the 4 years prior to the 4 straight 1 slots getting 1st overall, 3 of the 4 jumping up were the Cavs (from 3, 4, and 8 slots). If that were spread around more, the info might not be as leading...

 

[Shanemansj13]

Is it a stretch to say Zion and Culver could end up turning into Lebron Durant 2.0? Might be a little but it is possible.

IMO Both aren't comparable at all. Isn't Culver only 6'6"?

One comparison I do like is DeAndre Hunter to Kawhi. Still a stretch but that is just using his skillset, height and length almost identical, etc.

 

[Shanemansj13]

In this decade, it seems like it could be if you think that way, notably in favor of the Cavs. In the 4 years prior to the 4 straight 1 slots getting 1st overall, 3 of the 4 jumping up were the Cavs (from 3, 4, and 8 slots). If that were spread around more, the info might not be as leading...

Yeah if I had to point one team out it would be the Cavs. Other than that I don't see anything else. Overall a team with less than a 3% chance or so get #1 has been crazy low.

 

[Beengay fudgepackers]

Zion to the Bulls. You heard it here first.

 

[SJ76]

IMO Both aren't comparable at all. Isn't Culver only 6'6"?

One comparison I do like is DeAndre Hunter to Kawhi. Still a stretch but that is just using his skillset, height and length almost identical, etc.

Culver is every bit 6’7-6’8 maybe 6’9. Saw him and RRs in the first 2 rounds of the tourney the last 2 years. I see some all around game in both those dudes

 

[SJ76]

Big stretch IMO, especially in the Culver/Durant comparison. NBADraftNet comps are Barkley/Griffin and Nick Anderson respectively.

Culver to Nick Anderson or Barkley? Blake Griffin? That’s an awful comparison.

Culver has the outside game and can get to the rack. Didn’t have a good final 4 but he’s a big SF that’s a big asset in the NBA today

 

[shopson67]

Culver to Nick Anderson or Barkley? Blake Griffin? That’s an awful comparison.

Culver has the outside game and can get to the rack. Didn’t have a good final 4 but he’s a big SF that’s a big asset in the NBA today

Culver to Anderson. Zion to Barkley and Griffin.

 

[SJ76]

Culver to Anderson. Zion to Barkley and Griffin.

Shooting guard Nick Anderson that went to Illinois? Weird

 

[shopson67]

Shooting guard Nick Anderson that went to Illinois? Weird

It seemed a bit odd to me too.

 

[Shanemansj13]

Culver is every bit 6’7-6’8 maybe 6’9. Saw him and RRs in the first 2 rounds of the tourney the last 2 years. I see some all around game in both those dudes

No he isn't. He is 6'7" TOPS. KD is 6'11" with a huge wingspan. Either way not comparable to KD. I agree though, I really like his game though.

 

[SJ76]

No he isn't. He is 6'7" TOPS. KD is 6'11" with a huge wingspan. Either way not comparable to KD. I agree though, I really like his game though.

Let’s see what he measures at coming up before the draft. I see him on the floor next to 6’10 and 6’8 PFs and he’s as tall. Maybe I’m wrong but he’s definitely bigger than 6’6. He just turned 20. Don’t think he’s got KD touch when KD was at Texas but he can shoot and get to the hole.

Just seems like a good draft this year.