Loki

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"Chaos" promo:

 

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"Tick" promo:

 

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"Chance" promo:

 

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"Team" promo:

 

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"Path" promo:

 

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"Escape" promo:

 

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"Variant Identified" promo clip:

 

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"How Do You Plead?" promo clip:

 

[redseat]

Just saw the first episode. Not too shabby. Won't spoil it for anyone but it makes you think

 

[BigFin]

DB Cooper

 

[wildturkey]

That was a good start. Looks like it should be a good show. Can already see how its starting to shape up for the Nexus event and Multiverse

 

[calsnowskier]

That was Ant Man from Endgame timeline, right?

 

[BigFin]

It’s weird Loki is in big trouble for unknowingly doing this and the existence of the TVA.

 

[calsnowskier]

It’s weird Loki is in big trouble for unknowingly doing this and the existence of the TVA.

He is in trouble for reacting to Scott Lange’s intentional interference with the timeline. Seems like a pretty massive plot hole right off the bat. Scott Lange should be on trial, not Loki.

Or Dr Strange for scanning possible futures.

Or Steve Rogers for going back in time and living an entire life (butterfly effect, anyone?)

Or the Chronotons for trying to prevent SHIELD from ever forming.

Or Fitz for using the Chronotons tech to save his daughter.

Or Deke for existing at all.

 

[BusSport]

It’s weird Loki is in big trouble for unknowingly doing this and the existence of the TVA.

He is in trouble for reacting to Scott Lange’s intentional interference with the timeline. Seems like a pretty massive plot hole right off the bat. Scott Lange should be on trial, not Loki.

Or Dr Strange for scanning possible futures.

Or Steve Rogers for going back in time and living an entire life (butterfly effect, anyone?)

Or the Chronotons for trying to prevent SHIELD from ever forming.

Or Fitz for using the Chronotons tech to save his daughter.

Or Deke for existing at all.

The TVA doesn't interfere with time-traveling in general; they only interfere with time traveling that changes the way the Time-Keepers want the timeline to happen.

The Time-Keepers have a "sacred timeline" in which they want things to happen a certain way. As long as time traveling results in those things happening, the TVA is fine with it.

For example, the Time-Keepers wanted a timeline in which the Snap was undone. So the Avengers traveling back in time is perfectly okay, since that resulted in the Snap being undone.

The TVA didn't interfere with the time travelers mentioned above because they caused events to turn out the way the Time-Keepers wanted.

But, yeah, the system can be said to be "unfair" in the sense that a time traveler will have no way of knowing beforehand whether what they're doing is acceptable to the TVA or not.

 

[calsnowskier]

The TVA doesn't interfere with time-traveling in general; they only interfere with time traveling that changes the way the Time-Keepers want the timeline to happen.

The Time-Keepers have a "sacred timeline" in which they want things to happen a certain way. As long as time traveling results in those things happening, the TVA is fine with it.

For example, the Time-Keepers wanted a timeline in which the Snap was undone. So the Avengers traveling back in time is perfectly okay, since that resulted in the Snap being undone.

The TVA didn't interfere with the time travelers mentioned above because they caused events to turn out the way the Time-Keepers wanted.

But, yeah, the system can be said to be "unfair" in the sense that a time traveler will have no way of knowing beforehand whether what they're doing is acceptable to the TVA or not.

All good points. But again, they should have pulled in Lange, not Loki. Lange was the one who cause the deviation from the Sacred Timeline.

If Lange used a hammer to crush the skull of someone the TVA liked, they wouldn’t have called in the hammer to answer for the offense. They would have / should have called in Lange.

Lange was the one outside of time who kicked the Tesarac (sp?) towards Loki. Loki was just there, going along with his life.

 

[wildturkey]

All good points. But again, they should have pulled in Lange, not Loki. Lange was the one who cause the deviation from the Sacred Timeline.

If Lange used a hammer to crush the skull of someone the TVA liked, they wouldn’t have called in the hammer to answer for the offense. They would have / should have called in Lange.

Lange was the one outside of time who kicked the Tesarac (sp?) towards Loki. Loki was just there, going along with his life.

They took Loki because Loki wasn't suppose to escape, not because Ant Man went back in time and happened to kick the original Tesseract to Loki.

It's messy if you think about it too much because that's the flaw in all time travel plots, but that's the general sense of logic the show laid out.

 

[FaCe-LeE-uS]

This is why I hate time-travel concepts... It always gets incredibly messy.

So I guess we just have to chalk it up to the TVA ultimately deciding what they allow to happen, regardless of whatever time manipulation has already occurred.

And yes, this should shape up nicely for Dr Strange 2.