Let the chips fall where the may.

[BigKen]

Boston Sports Tonight has decided to tell "the Truth" about what's really going on with the Patriots.

The entire offensive line has turned on Mac Jones. David Andrews says that he immature and a pain in the ass. Especially when he calls out the OL after he throws a TD pass out of bounds. Trent Brown says that every offensive lineman has been playing with injuries for nearly the entire year. He admitted that his play has been horrible at times but he's been treated for a partially torn calf since August. He said it's damn near impossible to try to stop someone charging at you when you can't exert pressure on one leg. Strange just said, "No comment".

Mac has called out the OL and Fatty Patricia and has not accepted the fact that he's made a big bunch of really horrible throws. He thinks his 69.4% completion rate speaks for itself.

DJ Bean (Commentator) says that this team is divided. Defense refuses to say anything or even acknowledge the Offense. The offense refuses to give the defense any credit for keeping this afloat during the season.

Consensus? Bill Belichick has completely lost control of this team. His refusal to hire a real OC was just the beginning. Naming Patricia the OL coach was puzzling as hell and films of yesterday's practice shows the OL working with Tyler Hughes all practice and Matt was never once near them. The media is looking for some changes, not necessarily BB, but they're pretty much sick of Matt and three Belichicks involved with the defense. Everyone of them believes that Jerrod Mayo will be gone either as DC somewhere or possibly a college HC. As one said, "Jerrod has said nothing about anything. You can tell that he's just about had it with his status and future with the New England Patriots."


BK's opinion? I think that the Krafts will have to step in and exert ownership authority. If this much BS has become public and players are starting to speak openly, Bill's in some serious trouble.

 

[YankeeRebel]

Boston Sports Tonight has decided to tell "the Truth" about what's really going on with the Patriots.

The entire offensive line has turned on Mac Jones. David Andrews says that he immature and a pain in the ass. Especially when he calls out the OL after he throws a TD pass out of bounds. Trent Brown says that every offensive lineman has been playing with injuries for nearly the entire year. He admitted that his play has been horrible at times but he's been treated for a partially torn calf since August. He said it's damn near impossible to try to stop someone charging at you when you can't exert pressure on one leg. Strange just said, "No comment".

Mac has called out the OL and Fatty Patricia and has not accepted the fact that he's made a big bunch of really horrible throws. He thinks his 69.4% completion rate speaks for itself.

DJ Bean (Commentator) says that this team is divided. Defense refuses to say anything or even acknowledge the Offense. The offense refuses to give the defense any credit for keeping this afloat during the season.

Consensus? Bill Belichick has completely lost control of this team. His refusal to hire a real OC was just the beginning. Naming Patricia the OL coach was puzzling as hell and films of yesterday's practice shows the OL working with Tyler Hughes all practice and Matt was never once near them. The media is looking for some changes, not necessarily BB, but they're pretty much sick of Matt and three Belichicks involved with the defense. Everyone of them believes that Jerrod Mayo will be gone either as DC somewhere or possibly a college HC. As one said, "Jerrod has said nothing about anything. You can tell that he's just about had it with his status and future with the New England Patriots."


BK's opinion? I think that the Krafts will have to step in and exert ownership authority. If this much BS has become public and players are starting to speak openly, Bill's in some serious trouble.

1. A lot of this is conjecture and speculation. AKA Medi fodder. I doubt any media source anywhere can say this is "The Truth"

2. I agree the Krafts need to address the situation. Will be an interesting season.

 

[Southieinnc]

Boston Sports Tonight has decided to tell "the Truth" about what's really going on with the Patriots.

The entire offensive line has turned on Mac Jones. David Andrews says that he immature and a pain in the ass. Especially when he calls out the OL after he throws a TD pass out of bounds. Trent Brown says that every offensive lineman has been playing with injuries for nearly the entire year. He admitted that his play has been horrible at times but he's been treated for a partially torn calf since August. He said it's damn near impossible to try to stop someone charging at you when you can't exert pressure on one leg. Strange just said, "No comment".

Mac has called out the OL and Fatty Patricia and has not accepted the fact that he's made a big bunch of really horrible throws. He thinks his 69.4% completion rate speaks for itself.

DJ Bean (Commentator) says that this team is divided. Defense refuses to say anything or even acknowledge the Offense. The offense refuses to give the defense any credit for keeping this afloat during the season.

Consensus? Bill Belichick has completely lost control of this team. His refusal to hire a real OC was just the beginning. Naming Patricia the OL coach was puzzling as hell and films of yesterday's practice shows the OL working with Tyler Hughes all practice and Matt was never once near them. The media is looking for some changes, not necessarily BB, but they're pretty much sick of Matt and three Belichicks involved with the defense. Everyone of them believes that Jerrod Mayo will be gone either as DC somewhere or possibly a college HC. As one said, "Jerrod has said nothing about anything. You can tell that he's just about had it with his status and future with the New England Patriots."


BK's opinion? I think that the Krafts will have to step in and exert ownership authority. If this much BS has become public and players are starting to speak openly, Bill's in some serious trouble.

"We can't be divided," Matthew Slater said. "There's going to be a lot of folks throwing a lot of stones. We just have to keep believing in one another. We can't turn on each other. Just stay the course. Obviously it goes without saying it's tough losing a game like that. It's not anybody's fault. We win as a team, we lose as a team. We just gotta keep pushing."

How can the Patriots try to stay unified?

"Don't read what you guys write," Slater said. "Don't read what you guys report. Just worry about what goes on inside of our walls."

 

[Yankee Traveler]

Boston Sports Tonight has decided to tell "the Truth"

Stop right there.
They decided to hypothesize with a bend towards the pessimists.

 

[sharkymcwrath]

Boston Sports Tonight has decided to tell "the Truth" about what's really going on with the Patriots.

The entire offensive line has turned on Mac Jones. David Andrews says that he immature and a pain in the ass. Especially when he calls out the OL after he throws a TD pass out of bounds. Trent Brown says that every offensive lineman has been playing with injuries for nearly the entire year. He admitted that his play has been horrible at times but he's been treated for a partially torn calf since August. He said it's damn near impossible to try to stop someone charging at you when you can't exert pressure on one leg. Strange just said, "No comment".

Mac has called out the OL and Fatty Patricia and has not accepted the fact that he's made a big bunch of really horrible throws. He thinks his 69.4% completion rate speaks for itself.

DJ Bean (Commentator) says that this team is divided. Defense refuses to say anything or even acknowledge the Offense. The offense refuses to give the defense any credit for keeping this afloat during the season.

Consensus? Bill Belichick has completely lost control of this team. His refusal to hire a real OC was just the beginning. Naming Patricia the OL coach was puzzling as hell and films of yesterday's practice shows the OL working with Tyler Hughes all practice and Matt was never once near them. The media is looking for some changes, not necessarily BB, but they're pretty much sick of Matt and three Belichicks involved with the defense. Everyone of them believes that Jerrod Mayo will be gone either as DC somewhere or possibly a college HC. As one said, "Jerrod has said nothing about anything. You can tell that he's just about had it with his status and future with the New England Patriots."


BK's opinion? I think that the Krafts will have to step in and exert ownership authority. If this much BS has become public and players are starting to speak openly, Bill's in some serious trouble.

I think there's likely some partial truth to all of this but it's still jus media speculation because articles need to be written and shows need to be produced.

Apparently, Trent Brown "liked" a post the other day that stated Mac Jones should be shown the door and Brady should be brought back. That's not speculation and says a lot.

I see some fellow Pats fans continuing to say shit about the Belichick kids but aren't they all on the defensive side and isn't the defense pretty solid?

 

[Southieinnc]

I think there's likely some partial truth to all of this but it's still jus media speculation because articles need to be written and shows need to be produced.

Apparently, Trent Brown "liked" a post the other day that stated Mac Jones should be shown the door and Brady should be brought back. That's not speculation and says a lot.

I see some fellow Pats fans continuing to say shit about the Belichick kids but aren't they all on the defensive side and isn't the defense pretty solid?

And they have been learning defense for decades from Dad and others.
patricia has been learning offense for less than a season - and might not make it a full year!

 

[BigKen]

Apparently, Trent Brown "liked" a post the other day that stated Mac Jones should be shown the door and Brady should be brought back. That's not speculation and says a lot.

Remember during preseason when he said something about "Just going home"?

I would say that things were starting brew back then.

I agree that te media hypes a lot of shit, but they don't just sit around thinking of things to make up. Someone said somethi8ng and they picked up on it. Speculation? I think that they asked a couple more questions and walked away with a player's opinion or maybe a player's feelings. From there, it's a case of putting together what they hear and embellishing it a bit.

As far as this latest live conversation is concerned, I'd say it's at least 60/40 true.

Slater's been around for 18 years. He grew up in a pro football family. He's old school and knows what to say and what not to say. He basically said that the team is divided and tried to cover it with the old win as a team, lose as a team.

 

[molsaniceman]

I think there's likely some partial truth to all of this but it's still jus media speculation because articles need to be written and shows need to be produced.

Apparently, Trent Brown "liked" a post the other day that stated Mac Jones should be shown the door and Brady should be brought back. That's not speculation and says a lot.

I see some fellow Pats fans continuing to say shit about the Belichick kids but aren't they all on the defensive side and isn't the defense pretty solid?

i was wondering the same thing

 

[YankeeRebel]

Remember during preseason when he said something about "Just going home"?

I would say that things were starting brew back then.

I agree that te media hypes a lot of shit, but they don't just sit around thinking of things to make up. Someone said somethi8ng and they picked up on it. Speculation? I think that they asked a couple more questions and walked away with a player's opinion or maybe a player's feelings. From there, it's a case of putting together what they hear and embellishing it a bit.

As far as this latest live conversation is concerned, I'd say it's at least 60/40 true.

Slater's been around for 18 years. He grew up in a pro football family. He's old school and knows what to say and what not to say. He basically said that the team is divided and tried to cover it with the old win as a team, lose as a team.

Its more like someone said something and the media took liberties and turned the molehill into the mountain.

We all know there are issue and I don't care what Brown liked or did not like he has sucked as has the whole line for the most part. If they don't like being called out by their QB for the shitty job they are doing look for work elsewhere. We see QBs all the time bitching at their O Line and receivers it happens, its leadership. And it's an aspect of the QB position I don't think any QB likes.

This all started because BB tried to get cute with this whole Patricia debacle and the lack of cap space. Jones is frustrated, Brady would have been too

 

[NWPATSFAN]

Its more like someone said something and the media took liberties and turned the molehill into the mountain.

We all know there are issue and I don't care what Brown liked or did not like he has sucked as has the whole line for the most part. If they don't like being called out by their QB for the shitty job they are doing look for work elsewhere. We see QBs all the time bitching at their O Line and receivers it happens, its leadership. And it's an aspect of the QB position I don't think any QB likes.

This all started because BB tried to get cute with this whole Patricia debacle and the lack of cap space. Jones is frustrated, Brady would have been too

But don't call out a weak minded QB for having bad game after bad game and coming up short on multiple 1st down runs. The entire team has sucked, even the D at times and yes Mac has sucked as well.

Mac needs to learn to control his emotions if he wants to be a true NFL Leader. He's been whinning about everything and everyone. Keep that shit in check. Vent in the locker room where it belongs. His on the field/side line rants doesn't show passion at the pace he whines. It makes him look like a bitch.

Not to mention how he reacted when he hurt his ankle a few weeks ago or that lack of effort trying to tackle Jones.

Actions speak louder than words. If it continues I'd bench his ass.

 

[YankeeRebel]

But don't call out a weak minded QB for having bad game after bad game and coming up short on multiple 1st down runs. The entire team has sucked, even the D at times and yes Mac has sucked as well.

Mac needs to learn to control his emotions if he wants to be a true NFL Leader. He's been whinning about everything and everyone. Keep that shit in check. Vent in the locker room where it belongs. His on the field/side line rants doesn't show passion at the pace he whines. It makes him look like a bitch.

Not to mention how he reacted when he hurt his ankle a few weeks ago or that lack of effort trying to tackle Jones.

Actions speak louder than words. If it continues I'd bench his ass.

How the fuck is he having bad games game after game and why? I tell you why he has no time to go through his reads and the play calling is horrid. He is under pressure in 2 seconds or less and that is not his fault. It's just stupid when people make comments like this and don't see what is going on.

 

[Yankee Traveler]

I see some fellow Pats fans continuing to say shit about the Belichick kids but aren't they all on the defensive side and isn't the defense pretty solid?

Uhm...yeah...what he said.

 

[NWPATSFAN]

How the fuck is he having bad games game after game and why? I tell you why he has no time to go through his reads and the play calling is horrid. He is under pressure in 2 seconds or less and that is not his fault. It's just stupid when people make comments like this and don't see what is going on.

It's a team sport first and foremost. He's causing a crack in the chemistry as much as anyone.

Open your eyes. Even when he has time he's missing receivers, badly. Not seeing open receivers. Not getting to the sticks...

There is plenty of blame for everyone, including Mac. Some of the problems with oline, drops and even to a certain extent coaching can't be fixed overnight. His immature attitude can. He needs to grow up, and grow up quickly.

 

[YankeeRebel]

It's a team sport first and foremost. He's causing a crack in the chemistry as much as anyone.

Open your eyes. Even when he has time he's missing receivers, badly. Not seeing open receivers. Not getting to the sticks...

There is plenty of blame for everyone, including Mac. Some of the problems with oline, drops and even to a certain extent coaching can't be fixed overnight. His immature attitude can. He needs to grow up, and grow up quickly.

Your comments about when he has time and missing simply is not true, it's a lie you are weaving to support your weakened argument. And it it's a team sport why are you so hell bent on blaming the QB whilst ignoring all the other factors?

Last year everyone was bantering back and forth about his maturation and how sitting back at BAMA helped him mature and what leadhership skills he has because of that experience. Now all of a sudden, he lacks maturation. He doesn't lack maturation he is expressing frustration and he has a right to. This is on the coaches mainly BB, puttting Patricia in charge of the O Line and offensive play calling is offensive, BB stated at the beginning of the year if this failed its on him, pretty much his exact words. Well BB it's on you.

 

[Yankee Traveler]

Your comments about when he has time and missing simply is not true, it's a lie you are weaving to support your weakened argument. And it it's a team sport why are you so hell bent on blaming the QB whilst ignoring all the other factors?

Last year everyone was bantering back and forth about his maturation and how sitting back at BAMA helped him mature and what leadhership skills he has because of that experience. Now all of a sudden, he lacks maturation. He doesn't lack maturation he is expressing frustration and he has a right to. This is on the coaches mainly BB, puttting Patricia in charge of the O Line and offensive play calling is offensive, BB stated at the beginning of the year if this failed its on him, pretty much his exact words. Well BB it's on you.

Yeah...no.
He has underthrown, over thrown, just flat out missed and botched a number of handoffs to RB's as well. Sliding short of the first down, running out of bounds short and not even trying when he is close.
Blame goes everywhere, not only because it's a team "share the blame" sport, but because each is culpable.
Mac has been far from the victim of poor Oline and poor play calling.

 

[YankeeRebel]

Yeah...no.
He has underthrown, over thrown, just flat out missed and botched a number of handoffs to RB's as well. Sliding short of the first down, running out of bounds short and not even trying when he is close.
Blame goes everywhere, not only because it's a team "share the blame" sport, but because each is culpable.
Mac has been far from the victim of poor Oline and poor play calling.

I could not agree less. Sure Mac has made mistakes I remember the short slide,. and all QBs have misses. My point is and remains we did not see a lot of this last year, and the major change is Patricia which is the fault of BB. Can blame be placed everywhere? Of course and it starts a the top.

 

[NWPATSFAN]

Your comments about when he has time and missing simply is not true, it's a lie you are weaving to support your weakened argument. And it it's a team sport why are you so hell bent on blaming the QB whilst ignoring all the other factors?

Last year everyone was bantering back and forth about his maturation and how sitting back at BAMA helped him mature and what leadhership skills he has because of that experience. Now all of a sudden, he lacks maturation. He doesn't lack maturation he is expressing frustration and he has a right to. This is on the coaches mainly BB, puttting Patricia in charge of the O Line and offensive play calling is offensive, BB stated at the beginning of the year if this failed its on him, pretty much his exact words. Well BB it's on you.

Wow you really have the Mac love bad. Again open your eyes, I'm not weaving to support my argument any more than your being close minded. So is he making 100% of his passes after 2.5 seconds? Has he not missed wide open players? Has he not slid short of a first down on multiple occassions? You don't need to answer. Anyone of us who watches the games know it's 100% accurate.

Take an breath and read. I have said numerous times there is plenty of fault to go around. You chose to ignore that and only focus on the Mac comments while trying to defend him and your argument.

He did seem to mature last year. While at Bama he was winning. His first year in the NFL he was winning. Now they aren't and he's pouting like a school girl. He also was said to be a spoiled brat in his early days. Is that coming out now that he and his team isn't winning?

Again there is plenty of blame to go around and yes Mac is part of it both with his bad play on occassion and not owning it as well as his shitty attitude.

Mac you're a pro now act like one.

 

[YankeeRebel]

Wow you really have the Mac love bad. Again open your eyes, I'm not weaving to support my argument any more than your being close minded. So is he making 100% of his passes after 2.5 seconds? Has he not missed wide open players? Has he not slid short of a first down on multiple occassions? You don't need to answer. Anyone of us who watches the games know it's 100% accurate.

Take an breath and read. I have said numerous times there is plenty of fault to go around. You chose to ignore that and only focus on the Mac comments while trying to defend him and your argument.

He did seem to mature last year. While at Bama he was winning. His first year in the NFL he was winning. Now they aren't and he's pouting like a school girl. He also was said to be a spoiled brat in his early days. Is that coming out now that he and his team isn't winning?

Again there is plenty of blame to go around and yes Mac is part of it both with his bad play on occassion and not owning it as well as his shitty attitude.

Mac you're a pro now act like one.

The comment was game after game after game a clear indication the itent was to put this on Mac. All I am trying to say is he did not have these issues last year. And ask what has changed? Mac or his supporting cast?

 

[NWPATSFAN]

The comment was game after game after game a clear indication the itent was to put this on Mac. All I am trying to say is he did not have these issues last year. And ask what has changed? Mac or his supporting cast?

Stop trying to bolster your argument. I didn't say game after game after game. I said bad game after bad game.

Last year is not this year. Most of us here have said there is plenty of blame to go around to include Mac.

However, you want to continue to put blame everywhere else but on Mac.

Enough said. This two step is getting tiresome.

Enjoy Mac Island.

 

[YankeeRebel]

But don't call out a weak minded QB for having bad game after bad game and coming up short on multiple 1st down runs. The entire team has sucked, even the D at times and yes Mac has sucked as well.

Mac needs to learn to control his emotions if he wants to be a true NFL Leader. He's been whinning about everything and everyone. Keep that shit in check. Vent in the locker room where it belongs. His on the field/side line rants doesn't show passion at the pace he whines. It makes him look like a bitch.

Not to mention how he reacted when he hurt his ankle a few weeks ago or that lack of effort trying to tackle Jones.

Actions speak louder than words. If it continues I'd bench his ass.

Stop trying to bolster your argument. I didn't say game after game after game. I said bad game after bad game.

Last year is not this year. Most of us here have said there is plenty of blame to go around to include Mac.

However, you want to continue to put blame everywhere else but on Mac.

Enough said. This two step is getting tiresome.

Enjoy Mac Island.

How are the two any different?

I am placing blame on the one thing we know has changed, know Josh and BB thinking he was smart enough to try some dumb shit. Nowhere did I say Mac is not a part of the problem but I certainly do not see him as the biggest part of the problem.

If you choose to bow out as your "Getting Tiresome" remark indicates, Do so because you are wrong not because you are tired of the conversation. You don't seem to be able to accept the fact last year almost everyone here was praising Mac, and he looked good. You don't seem to be able to accept the one thing that changed is Patricia, That shit is on your brah