And this goes back to Kobe not being the leader on his first 3.
Wasn't Kareem still the best center in the league in the 80s? He was ancient and still crushing. Ultimately I think rings are overrated due to drafts and limited player control of their teammates.
Also I think you can easily make an argument for about 4 players, Magic is 1 of them.
Can't really disagree with any of this. Good points all!! The only reason I use rings in the discussion is because that's how the guys in the GOAT discussion seem to do it. Probably because they are so close to equal in all other aspects that they use rings as the deciding factor.