Kyrie Irving is now a...

[lebron23james]

Reading comprehension is not one of your strengths I see

Yeah it's not like GS didn't have a bunch of all-stars on their team right

 

[lebron23james]

Wade's Playoff VORP:

2010-2011: 2.0
2011-2012: 1.4
2012-2013: 1.0
2013-2014: 0.4

Kyrie's Playoff VORP:

2014-2015: 0.8
2015-2016: 1.3

2010-11 was a good year for wade

But, take the other 3 years and kyries 2015-16 was better...Based on PER, Win share, fg%, TS% etc

 

[Heatles84]

All who needs to know?

Fact is, Kyrie without James or a team of all stars has accomplished what ?

At least Wade can always say he won a title without Lebron, and did before him.

Irving will have to prove that at some point.

 

[Heatles84]

Yeah it's not like GS didn't have a bunch of all-stars on their team right

Curry's team is in the West. In his rookie year he had to deal with the Lakers, Spurs, and Mavericks to name a few teams. The West arguably was at its strongest point and this is where the Thunder really started to take off.

 

[TurnUpTheHeat]

Remind me of what Curry had accomplished by 23 again?

Who cares?
Point is Wiggy made the stupid Whiteside comment which had nothing to do with anything.

My point is Kyrie on his own, as the #1 pick, accomplished nada before LeBron.

I believe Cavs had cumulative worst record in the entire NBA during those years.

 

[TurnUpTheHeat]

At least Wade can always say he won a title without Lebron, and did before him.

Irving will have to prove that at some point.

I wouldnt try holding your breath.
Kyrie is an NBA follower, not a leader.

 

[Heatles84]

Who cares?
Point is Wiggy made the stupid Whiteside comment which had nothing to do with anything.

My point is Kyrie on his own, as the #1 pick, accomplished nada before LeBron.

I believe Cavs had cumulative worst record in the entire NBA during those years.

I will always remember that 26-game losing streak that they had (granted Irving wasn't drafted yet).

 

[knowyourenemy]

2010-11 was a good year for wade

But, take the other 3 years and kyries 2015-16 was better...Based on PER, Win share, fg%, TS% etc

I've lost track of who said it...but someone said that Irving has been Lebron's best No. 2 and it's not even close. Obviously Irving has not topped 2010-2011. But Wade's value in 2011-2012 is comparable to Irving's value in 2015-2016. To say that it isn't even close is flat out wrong. Wade's 2010-2011 tops anything that Irving has done. And Wade's 2011-2012 is arguably better / arguably worse than Irving's 2015-2016.

If I had to guess, I'd say that Lebron-Irving will surpass Lebron-Wade, but I don't think it's happened yet.

 

[Black Adam]

I've lost track of who said it...but someone said that Irving has been Lebron's best No. 2 and it's not even close. [/B]Obviously Irving has not topped 2010-2011. But Wade's value in 2011-2012 is comparable to Irving's value in 2015-2016. To say that it isn't even close is flat out wrong. Wade's 2010-2011 tops anything that Irving has done. And Wade's 2011-2012 is arguably better / arguably worse than Irving's 2015-2016.

If I had to guess, I'd say that Lebron-Irving will surpass Lebron-Wade, but I don't think it's happened yet.

Wiggy said it. he suffers from acute homerism and rectal/cranial inversion, but he's kinda fluffy and all that garbage. you'll get used to him...

 

[Shaqdaddy11]

Pierce averaged more points, rebounds, assists, shot better from the field, better from downtown & better from the FT line than Artest did during the '10 Finals. Here are the #'s...

Pierce: 18.0 ppg, 8.3 rebs, 3.0 asts, .439 from the field & .400 from downtown & .865 from the line
Artest: 10.6 ppg, 4.6 rebs, 1.3 asts, .361 from the field & .344 from downtown & .550 from the line


Yes the Lakers won but how exactly did Artest outplay Pierce in that series?

Watch game 7 again...

 

[Wamu]

Watch game 7 again...

Why? You said Artest outplayed Pierce for the Finals. I proved you wrong. Why mention the entire Finals & then after being proven wrong narrow it down to 1 game of the entire series?

 

[Shaqdaddy11]

Why? You said Artest outplayed Pierce for the Finals. I proved you wrong. Why mention the entire Finals & then after being proven wrong narrow it down to 1 game of the entire series?

Ah well, one game, one series, who cares. The Lakers won

You need to chill out buddy.

 

[Wamu]

Ah well, one game, one series, who cares. The Lakers won

You need to chill out buddy.

Hey all I did was prove you wrong. Why is it after you post incorrect info & get called out for it you tell people to chill out? Instead of making stuff up spend a couple of minutes looking up some info to backup what you're trying to say.

 

[Shaqdaddy11]

Hey all I did was prove you wrong. Why is it after you post incorrect info & get called out for it you tell people to chill out? Instead of making stuff up spend a couple of minutes looking up some info to backup what you're trying to say.

Did I say the entire series or are you getting you panties in a twist again?

 

[Wamu]

Did I say the entire series or are you getting you panties in a twist again?

You ain't right, seriously. This is exactly what you said (comment # 87)..."Ron Artest also outplayed Pierce in the 2010 Finals."


Nowhere in that comment did you single out just 1 game, you said the Finals. Stop posting incorrect info & I'll stop calling you out for your mistakes.

 

[Shaqdaddy11]

You ain't right, seriously. This is exactly what you said (comment # 87)..."Ron Artest also outplayed Pierce in the 2010 Finals."


Nowhere in that comment did you single out just 1 game, you said the Finals. Stop posting incorrect info & I'll stop calling you out for your mistakes.

You having a bad day sweetheart?

In game 7 of the Finals Artest was the difference. Perhaps I should have clarified that one specific game but I expected a big boy like yourself to get the picture. Next time I'll clarify my statements for those who are a bit slow.

Have a coke and a smile and chill the fuck out.

 

[Wamu]

You having a bad day sweetheart?

In game 7 of the Finals Artest was the difference. Perhaps I should have clarified that one specific game but I expected a big boy like yourself to get the picture. Next time I'll clarify my statements for those who are a bit slow.

Have a coke and a smile and chill the fuck out.

You really don't understand that the comment of yours I quoted you said the Finals, not game 7. Anyway this is what you do, get called out & then try to change what you originally said. You also don't understand that you didn't single out 1 game until I called you out for being wrong. Don't say the Finals if you're only talking about 1 single game in the entire series. Now had you only said game 7 that would be different. But as we both know that's not what you originally said. So instead of telling someone to "chill the fuck out" post proper info & you won't look so biased & clueless.

 

[Shaqdaddy11]

You really don't understand that the comment of yours I quoted you said the Finals, not game 7. Anyway this is what you do, get called out & then try to change what you originally said. You also don't understand that you didn't single out 1 game until I called you out for being wrong. Don't say the Finals if you're only talking about 1 single game in the entire series. Now had you only said game 7 that would be different. But as we both know that's not what you originally said. So instead of telling someone to "chill the fuck out" post proper info & you won't look so biased & clueless.

Terribly sorry, I meant game 7. I hope you'll forgive my ignorance.

Again, next time I'll be more specific for the slower posters like yourself.

Had that coke yet?

 

[Wamu]

Terribly sorry, I meant game 7. I hope you'll forgive my ignorance.

Again, next time I'll be more specific for the slower posters like yourself.

Had that coke yet?

You really don't understand that you didn't mention only game 7 until I called you out. Even though I directly quoted you you're still insisting that's not what you really meant, meaning the entire series & not just game 7. So how exactly am I slow for posting the correct info showing Pierce was not outplayed for the entire Finals (like you originally said) by Artest? Do you even realize there's a difference in saying the entire series compared to only 1 game?

 

[tlance]

I've lost track of who said it...but someone said that Irving has been Lebron's best No. 2 and it's not even close. Obviously Irving has not topped 2010-2011. But Wade's value in 2011-2012 is comparable to Irving's value in 2015-2016. To say that it isn't even close is flat out wrong. Wade's 2010-2011 tops anything that Irving has done. And Wade's 2011-2012 is arguably better / arguably worse than Irving's 2015-2016.

If I had to guess, I'd say that Lebron-Irving will surpass Lebron-Wade, but I don't think it's happened yet.

It really isn't arguable though. If all you care about is offensive production, then sure. Kyrie today is as good offensively as Wade was in 2012.

The difference is that Wade was an elite defender also. Kyrie is more of a liability on that end.