Kyrie Irving is now a...

[Shaqdaddy11]

Wiggy still dodging the question?

 

[WiggyRuss]

Wiggy still dodging the question?

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anyone that was actually a proven all star that had also proven that they could stay on the court and werent a turnstile defensively.

If you guys think he was a top 20 player than kyrie irving was fucking top 20 player his first year in the league. lol.

 

[trojanfan12]

they could stay on the court and werent a turnstile defensively.

Well, that removes Kyrie from the top 20.

 

[Black Adam]

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anyone that was actually a proven all star that had also proven that they could stay on the court and werent a turnstile defensively.

If you guys think he was a top 20 player than kyrie irving was fucking top 20 player his first year in the league. lol.

LMAO this was his answer, huh...?

epic FAIL...!!!

 

[Hambombs]

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anyone that was actually a proven all star that had also proven that they could stay on the court and werent a turnstile defensively.

If you guys think he was a top 20 player than kyrie irving was fucking top 20 player his first year in the league. lol.

Youre a damned idiot. Of course you have no proof. No shock at all

 

[Hambombs]

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anyone that was actually a proven all star that had also proven that they could stay on the court and werent a turnstile defensively.

If you guys think he was a top 20 player than kyrie irving was fucking top 20 player his first year in the league. lol.

In the 2012-2013 season stephen curry was 7th in the whole NBA in (win shares). Not only was he a top 20 player but he was a borderline top 10 player that year. Who's the dumb shit now?

 

[flyerhawk]

If you look at PEM then Curry and Irving were comparable that year..

Player Efficiency Rating
1. LeBron James ▪ MIA 31.6
2. Kevin Durant ▪ OKC 28.3
3. Chris Paul ▪ LAC 26.4
4. Carmelo Anthony ▪ NYK 24.8
5. Brook Lopez ▪ BRK 24.7
6. Tim Duncan ▪ SAS 24.4
7. Dwyane Wade ▪ MIA 24.0
8. Russell Westbrook ▪ OKC 23.9
9. Tony Parker ▪ SAS 23.0
10. Kobe Bryant ▪ LAL 23.0
11. James Harden ▪ HOU 23.0
12. Blake Griffin ▪ LAC 22.4
13. Andray Blatche ▪ BRK 21.9
14. Anthony Davis ▪ NOH 21.7
15. Kyrie Irving ▪ CLE 21.4
16. Stephen Curry ▪ GSW 21.3
17. Al Jefferson ▪ UTA 20.9
18. John Wall ▪ WAS 20.8
19. LaMarcus Aldridge ▪ POR 20.4
20. Deron Williams ▪ BRK 20.3

Offensive Win shares..

Offensive Win Shares1.LeBron James ▪ MIA14.62.
Kevin Durant ▪ OKC13.6
3.Chris Paul ▪ LAC10.6
4.James Harden ▪ HOU9.8
5.Deron Williams ▪ BRK9.1
6.Stephen Curry ▪ GSW8.4
7.Kobe Bryant ▪ LAL8.4
8.Russell Westbrook ▪ OKC7.7
9.Carmelo Anthony ▪ NYK7.5
10.Tony Parker ▪ SAS7.1
11.Blake Griffin ▪ LAC6.8
12.Tyson Chandler ▪ NYK6.7
13.Jose Calderon ▪ TOT6.6
14.Brook Lopez ▪ BRK6.4
15.Dwyane Wade ▪ MIA6.1
16.Marc Gasol ▪ MEM6.1
17.George Hill ▪ IND5.9
18.Ryan Anderson ▪ NOH5.7
19.Ty Lawson ▪ DEN5.6
20.Chris Bosh ▪ MIA5.6

Steph was 6th in the league in offensive win shares.
7th in total win shares
6th in box plus/minus
6th in VORP
He also broke the all time record in 3 point field goals.

Suggesting that there were 20 other players better than him that season is pretty laughable.

 

[Hambombs]

If you look at PEM then Curry and Irving were comparable that year..

Player Efficiency Rating
1. LeBron James ▪ MIA 31.6
2. Kevin Durant ▪ OKC 28.3
3. Chris Paul ▪ LAC 26.4
4. Carmelo Anthony ▪ NYK 24.8
5. Brook Lopez ▪ BRK 24.7
6. Tim Duncan ▪ SAS 24.4
7. Dwyane Wade ▪ MIA 24.0
8. Russell Westbrook ▪ OKC 23.9
9. Tony Parker ▪ SAS 23.0
10. Kobe Bryant ▪ LAL 23.0
11. James Harden ▪ HOU 23.0
12. Blake Griffin ▪ LAC 22.4
13. Andray Blatche ▪ BRK 21.9
14. Anthony Davis ▪ NOH 21.7
15. Kyrie Irving ▪ CLE 21.4
16. Stephen Curry ▪ GSW 21.3
17. Al Jefferson ▪ UTA 20.9
18. John Wall ▪ WAS 20.8
19. LaMarcus Aldridge ▪ POR 20.4
20. Deron Williams ▪ BRK 20.3

Offensive Win shares..

Offensive Win Shares1.LeBron James ▪ MIA14.62.
Kevin Durant ▪ OKC13.6
3.Chris Paul ▪ LAC10.6
4.James Harden ▪ HOU9.8
5.Deron Williams ▪ BRK9.1
6.Stephen Curry ▪ GSW8.4
7.Kobe Bryant ▪ LAL8.4
8.Russell Westbrook ▪ OKC7.7
9.Carmelo Anthony ▪ NYK7.5
10.Tony Parker ▪ SAS7.1
11.Blake Griffin ▪ LAC6.8
12.Tyson Chandler ▪ NYK6.7
13.Jose Calderon ▪ TOT6.6
14.Brook Lopez ▪ BRK6.4
15.Dwyane Wade ▪ MIA6.1
16.Marc Gasol ▪ MEM6.1
17.George Hill ▪ IND5.9
18.Ryan Anderson ▪ NOH5.7
19.Ty Lawson ▪ DEN5.6
20.Chris Bosh ▪ MIA5.6

Steph was 6th in the league in offensive win shares.
7th in total win shares
6th in box plus/minus
6th in VORP
He also broke the all time record in 3 point field goals.

Suggesting that there were 20 other players better than him that season is pretty laughable.

Player efficiency rating is very flawed. It doesnt show true impact on the court. Like win shares does

 

[Shaqdaddy11]

here ya go

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anyone that was actually a proven all star that had also proven that they could stay on the court and werent a turnstile defensively.

If you guys think he was a top 20 player than kyrie irving was fucking top 20 player his first year in the league. lol.

Seriously?

And you wonder why nobody takes you seriously. Multiple people have asked you to come up with 20 players better than Curry and once again you chickened out.

Man up for a change, you pansy.

 

[flyerhawk]

Player efficiency rating is very flawed. It doesnt show true impact on the court. Like win shares does

Point being that it listed Curry in the top 20.

 

[Hambombs]

Seriously?

And you wonder why nobody takes you seriously. Multiple people have asked you to come up with 20 players better than Curry and once again you chickened out.

Man up for a change, you pansy.

He really is a pansy, thats what pansey's do

 

[bksballer89]

Point being that it listed Curry in the top 20.

Hams missed the point big time

 

[Hambombs]

Hams missed the point big time

Nahhhhhh

 

[msgkings322]

Seriously?

And you wonder why nobody takes you seriously. Multiple people have asked you to come up with 20 players better than Curry and once again you chickened out.

Man up for a change, you pansy.

Yeah you gotta at least try to find close to 20. This is just a message board, none of it matters, but in the context of what we are all doing here you just suck at this.

 

[knowyourenemy]

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anyone that was actually a proven all star that had also proven that they could stay on the court and werent a turnstile defensively.

If you guys think he was a top 20 player than kyrie irving was fucking top 20 player his first year in the league. lol.

If you wanted to stand by your position that Curry came out of nowhere, you could have defended that position without arguing that he wasn't a top 20 player in 2012-2013. Here's what your response could have looked like:

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You guys are right. Steph Curry was a top 20 player in the league back in 2012-2013. That doesn't mean his performance in 2014-2015 and 2015-2016 didn't "come out of nowhere." Most people will admit that they were surprised to see Curry elevate his game to such a high level. Why? Because there is a huge difference between the 20th best player in the league and the best player in the league. Heck, there is a pretty big difference between the 5th best player in the league and the best player in the league. Another reason why? His size. Everyone knows that smaller guys can excel in the NBA, but it's rare. And it's extremely rare for them to dominate the game the way that Curry has done the last two seasons.

Most people thought that Curry had probably reached his ceiling, or near his ceiling, in either 2012-2013 or 2013-2014. Back then, nobody had thought that Curry would win one MVP award, let alone two. So yeah, he didn't completely come out of nowhere, but he pretty much came out of nowhere.

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The problem is that you take a stance and then are completely unable to back it up. Why not just admit you were wrong? It's ok to be wrong about something.

 

[Shaqdaddy11]

He really is a pansy, thats what pansey's do

The kid isn't even willing to admit he's wrong. It's pathetic!

And he wants us all to think he's a lawyer?!?

 

[Heatles84]

The kid isn't even willing to admit he's wrong. It's pathetic!

And he wants us all to think he's a lawyer?!?

Consistently digs his heels on the subject of Curry not being a top 20 player. Yet doesn't provide us with a list of the top 20 players those years. Super.

 

[Robotech]

If you wanted to stand by your position that Curry came out of nowhere, you could have defended that position without arguing that he wasn't a top 20 player in 2012-2013. Here's what your response could have looked like:

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You guys are right. Steph Curry was a top 20 player in the league back in 2012-2013. That doesn't mean his performance in 2014-2015 and 2015-2016 didn't "come out of nowhere." Most people will admit that they were surprised to see Curry elevate his game to such a high level. Why? Because there is a huge difference between the 20th best player in the league and the best player in the league. Heck, there is a pretty big difference between the 5th best player in the league and the best player in the league. Another reason why? His size. Everyone knows that smaller guys can excel in the NBA, but it's rare. And it's extremely rare for them to dominate the game the way that Curry has done the last two seasons.

Most people thought that Curry had probably reached his ceiling, or near his ceiling, in either 2012-2013 or 2013-2014. Back then, nobody had thought that Curry would win one MVP award, let alone two. So yeah, he didn't completely come out of nowhere, but he pretty much came out of nowhere.

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The problem is that you take a stance and then are completely unable to back it up. Why not just admit you were wrong? It's ok to be wrong about something.

Either that or just list his top 20 players of 2012-2013, leave Curry out of it, and be done with it.

 

[Robotech]

Consistently digs his heels on the subject of Curry not being a top 20 player. Yet doesn't provide us with a list of the top 20 players those years. Super.

He should just do what lawyers do: take up any side of a debate and still come up with a decent argument by being the one to define the issues and rules so that he comes up with the conclusion that he wants. It should be very easy for him to state whatever standards, rules, and/or precedents he wants to go by to determine who is top 20, and then give his analysis as to why Curry was not a top 20 player in 2012-2013 according to these standards, rules, and/or precedents.

 

[trojanfan12]

If you wanted to stand by your position that Curry came out of nowhere, you could have defended that position without arguing that he wasn't a top 20 player in 2012-2013. Here's what your response could have looked like:

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You guys are right. Steph Curry was a top 20 player in the league back in 2012-2013. That doesn't mean his performance in 2014-2015 and 2015-2016 didn't "come out of nowhere." Most people will admit that they were surprised to see Curry elevate his game to such a high level. Why? Because there is a huge difference between the 20th best player in the league and the best player in the league. Heck, there is a pretty big difference between the 5th best player in the league and the best player in the league. Another reason why? His size. Everyone knows that smaller guys can excel in the NBA, but it's rare. And it's extremely rare for them to dominate the game the way that Curry has done the last two seasons.

Most people thought that Curry had probably reached his ceiling, or near his ceiling, in either 2012-2013 or 2013-2014. Back then, nobody had thought that Curry would win one MVP award, let alone two. So yeah, he didn't completely come out of nowhere, but he pretty much came out of nowhere.

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The problem is that you take a stance and then are completely unable to back it up. Why not just admit you were wrong? It's ok to be wrong about something.

A response like that would require tact, insight, class and a working knowledge of basketball. You'll find that Wiggy possesses none of those traits.