Khalil Mack to the Bears!!!!

[ducky]

I think the contract that the team had to give Mack was as big as the draft picks. The salary cap is a real issue in the NFL. Mack got QB type money. There was a stat I seen somewhere recently that pointed out how few teams with a top 10 paid QB have made it to the Superbowl. It's not many. You have to spread the cash around. At least the Bears have a couple years with their QB making reasonable money.

No it is not.

Most teams let 10's of millions of cap space disappear every year. For instance Oakland after this move will watch almost $20M of cap space disappear into the ether.

Half of any NFL team is made up of players on their rookie contracts. That doesn't even cover $40M of any teams cap space. That leaves a team with $150M of cap space. So you can have 1 $25M contract (QB), 1 $25M contract (Mack) and still have $100M to sign the rest of the roster which is more than enough.

The cap was an issue in the NFL 5-10 years ago. It isn't anymore. Cash is king. And Oakland didn't have the cash even though they had plenty of cap.

People talking about the cap in the NFL are 5 years behind the times. The cap is irrelevant for 80% of the teams in the league because those teams aren't willing to spend up to the cap year in and year out.

 

[LambeauLegs]

No it is not.

Most teams let 10's of millions of cap space disappear every year. For instance Oakland after this move will watch almost $20M of cap space disappear into the ether.

Half of any NFL team is made up of players on their rookie contracts. That doesn't even cover $40M of any teams cap space. That leaves a team with $150M of cap space. So you can have 1 $25M contract (QB), 1 $25M contract (Mack) and still have $100M to sign the rest of the roster which is more than enough.

The cap was an issue in the NFL 5-10 years ago. It isn't anymore. Cash is king. And Oakland didn't have the cash even though they had plenty of cap.

People talking about the cap in the NFL are 5 years behind the times. The cap is irrelevant for 80% of the teams in the league because those teams aren't willing to spend up to the cap year in and year out.

I have heard locally when Rodgers was talking about redoing his contract that Rodgers mentioned that when a team and player agree on a contract that all guaranteed money has to be paid to the NFL league office right away and that the guarantee is paid out by the league. The thought was then that with Oakland moving to Vegas that Oakland needed more cash for the Vegas move and did not want to put up huge guaranteed money at the league office for Mack as they have other needs as well that they will need to met.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

Good reply ducky. The real issue here is the Raiders. Since their SB appearance in the early 2000s (when they lost to Gruden) they have had 14/15 non-winning season, gone through 10 different coaches & are relocating their team once again. If they operated like this in a traditional business they would likely be shutting their doors for good.

I know that I don't have much room to speak as a Skins fan but just feel that hiring Gruden to that huge contract was a desperate move (& they are also lucky to have been bailed out by Vegas). They better use the newly acquired picks & their picks wisely at the risk of their lone winning season a few years back being their only high pt for years to come.

 

[ducky]

No it is not.

Most teams let 10's of millions of cap space disappear every year. For instance Oakland after this move will watch almost $20M of cap space disappear into the ether.

Half of any NFL team is made up of players on their rookie contracts. That doesn't even cover $40M of any teams cap space. That leaves a team with $150M of cap space. So you can have 1 $25M contract (QB), 1 $25M contract (Mack) and still have $100M to sign the rest of the roster which is more than enough.

The cap was an issue in the NFL 5-10 years ago. It isn't anymore. Cash is king. And Oakland didn't have the cash even though they had plenty of cap.

People talking about the cap in the NFL are 5 years behind the times. The cap is irrelevant for 80% of the teams in the league because those teams aren't willing to spend up to the cap year in and year out.

A great example of how little the cap matters is go look at my Vikings team.

They have a top paid players at their position all over their roster. A top 3 paid QB, a top 3 paid WR, at top 6 paid TE, a top 11 paid LT, 2 top paid 10 DE's, a top 10 paid DT, a top 5 paid MLB, a top 3 paid CB, a top 3 paid safety.

That is 10 players paid near the top of their positions.

And that doesn't include:
OLB Barr - $12M on a one year 5th year rookie deal.
DT Richardson $8M one year deal.
Remmers (a decent RT contract that they were willing to move him to RG)
Thielen (an absolutely steal of a contract).

And yes in the next couple of years the cap will be tight and they will not be able to resign some people (Richardson for instance), but really they aren't in that bad of shape.

It is just an illustration of what teams COULD do if they wanted in terms of the cap. But few teams are willing to pony up the cash for guaranteed contracts like the Vikings which gives them a MAJOR advantage. And that cash and only that cash is what stops Oakland from signing Mack and Carr together to long term deals.

 

[CaptainStubing]

A great example of how little the cap matters is go look at my Vikings team.

They have a top paid players at their position all over their roster. A top 3 paid QB, a top 3 paid WR, at top 6 paid TE, a top 11 paid LT, 2 top paid 10 DE's, a top 10 paid DT, a top 5 paid MLB, a top 3 paid CB, a top 3 paid safety.

That is 10 players paid near the top of their positions.

And that doesn't include:
OLB Barr - $12M on a one year 5th year rookie deal.
DT Richardson $8M one year deal.
Remmers (a decent RT contract that they were willing to move him to RG)
Thielen (an absolutely steal of a contract).

And yes in the next couple of years the cap will be tight and they will not be able to resign some people (Richardson for instance), but really they aren't in that bad of shape.

It is just an illustration of what teams COULD do if they wanted in terms of the cap. But few teams are willing to pony up the cash for guaranteed contracts like the Vikings which gives them a MAJOR advantage. And that cash and only that cash is what stops Oakland from signing Mack and Carr together to long term deals.

yep, it seems to me anyway, that a team can have some super-high paid players if they are good at adding young, cheap, talented depth everywhere else. If a team is good at having productive 2nd and 3rd stringers that come cheap, they can pay their starters pretty well.

 

[Schmoopy1000]

I dont see it as a bad move by the raiders. They were gonna suck anyways. Why pay a guy huge amount of money to suck anyways. By the time they become relevant again mack will be asking for a 2nd huge contract.
At least this way they got some good draft picks to build the future with cheaply as they head back to being good. (Unless Gruden screws it up.) Then they can pay someone crap loads of money. Dont have to worry about the fans turning on them, since they are leaving anyways.

 

[ducky]

I have heard locally when Rodgers was talking about redoing his contract that Rodgers mentioned that when a team and player agree on a contract that all guaranteed money has to be paid to the NFL league office right away and that the guarantee is paid out by the league. The thought was then that with Oakland moving to Vegas that Oakland needed more cash for the Vegas move and did not want to put up huge guaranteed money at the league office for Mack as they have other needs as well that they will need to met.

Every penny that is guaranteed in a contract immediately goes into an escrow account for safe keeping. It's an old rule that has always carried over back from the days when certain NFL teams weren't paying their players on time.

Meaning that when the Vikes guaranteed Cousins $84M, they wrote a check that day for all $84M of that contract. It is that kind of lack of flexibility with cash that is hurting teams like Oakland.

What is interesting is that another team that operates in that way is Chicago. If Floyd lives up to top 10 potential (and IMO he will playing opposite of Mack) and Trubisky plays like a top QB (that I am not so sure of) is that Chicago very well might be in the same situation Oakland just found themselves a few years down the road where they can afford to pay their QB or their OLB but not both due to the guaranteed $$$'s.

 

[Myles]

No it is not.

Most teams let 10's of millions of cap space disappear every year. For instance Oakland after this move will watch almost $20M of cap space disappear into the ether.

Half of any NFL team is made up of players on their rookie contracts. That doesn't even cover $40M of any teams cap space. That leaves a team with $150M of cap space. So you can have 1 $25M contract (QB), 1 $25M contract (Mack) and still have $100M to sign the rest of the roster which is more than enough.

The cap was an issue in the NFL 5-10 years ago. It isn't anymore. Cash is king. And Oakland didn't have the cash even though they had plenty of cap.

People talking about the cap in the NFL are 5 years behind the times. The cap is irrelevant for 80% of the teams in the league because those teams aren't willing to spend up to the cap year in and year out.

So maybe not the league cap in all cases. This one could have been the team cap.

 

[Moab]

Every penny that is guaranteed in a contract immediately goes into an escrow account for safe keeping. It's an old rule that has always carried over back from the days when certain NFL teams weren't paying their players on time.

Meaning that when the Vikes guaranteed Cousins $84M, they wrote a check that day for all $84M of that contract. It is that kind of lack of flexibility with cash that is hurting teams like Oakland.

What is interesting is that another team that operates in that way is Chicago. If Floyd lives up to top 10 potential (and IMO he will playing opposite of Mack) and Trubisky plays like a top QB (that I am not so sure of) is that Chicago very well might be in the same situation Oakland just found themselves a few years down the road where they can afford to pay their QB or their OLB but not both due to the guaranteed $$$'s.

That is what separates the haves from the have nots. Much of that is due to the income generated outside of the TV revenue. The teams that have the sweetheart stadium deals and solid revenue streams from other sources can afford to pony up the cash for the large guarantees and those that don't, Oakland, are stuck scrambling to pay their talent when it's time to resign those players.

I'd be willing to venture that the Raiders don't have the cash that it takes to pay the guarantee that Chicago paid to Mack. Most of that is due to their crappy stadium deal and how mismanaged they are from an economic standpoint. Basically, they're still operating like Al Davis is still in charge.

 

[Nelly]

Pace is making hay while Trubisky is still on his rookie deal. Looking to be the Seahawks 2.0 when Wilson was on his rookie deal. Just need Trubisky to ball out in year 2, 3 and 4 for it to work.

 

[Battlelyon]

 

[shopson67]

If only! NFC West opponents would be carrying 5 QBs.

 

[Nelly]

Mack and Donald on the same D line would've been unfair.

Almost as unfair as Mack and Hicks. :rimshot:

 

[Moab]

lol We were gonna do better then that before Mack. Keep sleeping NFCN fans keep sleeping. A storm is coming.

Has the storm hit yet or is that coming next year? Asking for a friend as I don't live in the upper midwest any longer.

 

[Hank Kingsley]

Hard to get players like Mack.

Harder still to keep them.

Kill the cap.

 

[Battlelyon]

The Bears have the best chance of any team going from last to first, they should make the playoffs.

Great call by me

 

[Lake Shore Drive]

If true interested if the Raiders got what they were asking for and does this make the Bears a playoff contender?

LMFAO. No.

Well this was certainly worth revisiting.

 

[RobBase]

Looking like a pretty good trade for the Raiders today.

 

[Battlelyon]

Raiders liking that Bears first rounder better every day

Gruden hoping for top 10 pick

 

[nebearsfan70]

Raiders liking that Bears first rounder better every day

Gruden hoping for top 10 pick

It will be top 5 for sure.