Just a reminder to Ohio fans….

[WiggyRuss]

That's not really true though about the SEC. The top of the SEC is certainly challenging themselves more than the top of the B1G this season. Take a look at PSU and IU's OOC schedule. Also last year OSU played Marshall, Akron and Western Michigan OOC.

last year was a weird year because of the first big 10 conglomeration- year before it was ND for 2 years- home and away. They just about always havea one big non-big ten game on teh schedule.

 

[ericd7633]

last year was a weird year because of the first big 10 conglomeration- year before it was ND for 2 years- home and away. They just about always havea one big non-big ten game on teh schedule.

Yeah, I get they normally do. They didn't last year. Also, the SEC schedules OOC really well. Not sure why you think they don't?

 

[dtgold88]

Jeremiah Smith is prob gonna be the first non qb taken in the draft.

Caleb Downs might be the safety taken highest in the history of the draft. Sean Taylor and Eric Berry were both 5th overall. Downs may beat that. Depends on the QB class. Also- tbh i think - maybe im wrong- that Jeremiah still has 2 years to go....is that right?

Jeremiah Smith is the best receiving prospect since Calvin Johnson.

gotta figure out QB. They will get running backs and corners and wideouts.....

never made sense to me with DAy's game plan vs. Michigan- they had 2 of the best DT in the country, and we kept running Metcalf Up The Middle.

JS does have 2 years left. as good as Harrison was (and thought he was best I ever saw here) amazing we found one better year after he left. No doubt need to figure out QB and hopefully quickly for UT game.

One theory I have heard regarding UM gameplan was Howard had a hit to head and wasn't right. Not sure if true but as bad as he was playing it didn't scream pass more.

 

[dtgold88]

The ohio scandal absolutely helped them on the field. The buying of top players, the bags of cash, the cars, the drugs, the stolen school property, and playing 5 ineligible star players in 2010. Tressel knew about it, he covered it up because he needed his top 5 guys. Without those guys you would have had relatively the same record as you did in 2011. That is a significant affect on the outcome of the games.

These actions didn’t start in 2010, they are the same exact actions Tressel used at Youngstown, and he used every single year. We know he authorized these actions at ohio as early as 2002 as his signature was on the same memorabilia. We know since at least 2002 dozens and dozens of players received illegal contributions from boosters, and more was suspected. Every single player that received an illegal benefit is ineligible. You play an ineligible player for at least 1 snap you will have that game forfeited. Ohio was lucky they only lost the 2010 season.

According to the bylaws, 19.12.9 (g), the only acceptable situation to vacate wins is playing ineligible players. The legal stance of the NCAA over the past 20 years or so has been not to harm the student athletes for actions of staff and coaches. Everything Stallions needed was on game film, it’s shown on TV every weekend. The rules do not bar fans from recording anything, they do prevent athletic department staff from doing so. The rules state the CMU game is a violation. The rules say not cooperating is a violation. The rules have led to a 1 year Show Cause for Minter, and 2 for Clink. I don’t care if Connor and Jim get a life time ban. But giving tickets out to non employees is not a violation.

Zero games will be banned, zero games will be vacated. Doing so harms the innocent players that never cheated, and was never helped on the field. The only way to be helped is if you know the actual play, which Connor did not know. Even the ohio funded Netflix documentary admitted it. If the NCAA attempts to issue a ban, or vacate wins they open themselves up to a lawsuit by the players, and once again the players will win the lawsuit as the NCAA precedent does not allow it.

I'd like to read what you have to say but once someone goes completely off the deep end I stop reading. You did that really early here. Second sentence, in fact.

Be happy to read what you have to say but if you try again please don't start out by lying. Hell, save the lies until the end if you cannot help yourself.

 

[dtgold88]

They likely scheduled Texas before Oregon,USC, etc came over to join

might have but not sure why you think things will change. Other than maybe USC OSU always had been among the most aggressive schedulers in the country.

 

[dtgold88]

I remember hearing about a lot of that… but you pretty much laid it out as game, set, and match. My goodness.

Did his entire rant keep going like the 1st couple sentences where he just made up a narrative (lied)?

Hope he got creative.

 

[dtgold88]

That's not really true though about the SEC. The top of the SEC is certainly challenging themselves more than the top of the B1G this season. Take a look at PSU and IU's OOC schedule. Also last year OSU played Marshall, Akron and Western Michigan OOC.

I'd say top of SEC has definitely gotten better. But to be fair to OSU's schedule they had Washington on the OOC but had to cancel since they joined the BIG.

SEC will also schedule tougher now that TX and OK have joined as seems they challenge themselves often.

 

[blastfromthepast]

I'd like to read what you have to say but once someone goes completely off the deep end I stop reading. You did that really early here. Second sentence, in fact.

Be happy to read what you have to say but if you try again please don't start out by lying. Hell, save the lies until the end if you cannot help yourself.

I am not understanding the arguement from rjshull about punishment.

If innocent players should NOT be punished, then what was the appropriate punishment for Penn St? Some of those players were in diapers possibly when the tragedy occured. Should the NCAA never punish current teams/athletic departments for the transgressions of a former staff/players?

How does that serve as a deterent and curb any rule breaking if the current staff/athletic department simply throws their hands up and says "we weren't there"? In UMs case, the AD is still there and the HC was there as well. It would be a terrible look if the NCAA simply folds and provides a strongly worded letter to UM and threatens them if they do it again.

What annoys me is how UM downplays what happened and what was happening with Stallions. I know posters are tired of me saying this but this is very similar to the Astros scandal. The Astros owner even said that the illegal system "didnt affect" the game. That is a lie and he knew it.
UM fans claiming that the sign stealing was widespread and didn't impact games is a lie as well...they also know it.

The NCAA needs to make the right call here.

 

[dtgold88]

I am not understanding the arguement from rjshull about punishment.

If innocent players should NOT be punished, then what was the appropriate punishment for Penn St? Some of those players were in diapers possibly when the tragedy occured. Should the NCAA never punish current teams/athletic departments for the transgressions of a former staff/players?

How does that serve as a deterent and curb any rule breaking if the current staff/athletic department simply throws their hands up and says "we weren't there"? In UMs case, the AD is still there and the HC was there as well. It would be a terrible look if the NCAA simply folds and provides a strongly worded letter to UM and threatens them if they do it again.

What annoys me is how UM downplays what happened and what was happening with Stallions. I know posters are tired of me saying this but this is very similar to the Astros scandal. The Astros owner even said that the illegal system "didnt affect" the game. That is a lie and he knew it.
UM fans claiming that the sign stealing was widespread and didn't impact games is a lie as well...they also know it.

The NCAA needs to make the right call here.

Truth is I really did not read his comments past his false accusations so also don't understand his argument....other than to lie/exaggerate to try and make a point?

 

[Mr. Friscus]

might have but not sure why you think things will change. Other than maybe USC OSU always had been among the most aggressive schedulers in the country.

Not in my lifetime. I’m not saying they don’t, but plenty of times they went full powder puff. For awhile Michigan often had the tougher schedule.. except for 2023, that was a cake walk with no out of conference challenges.

 

[dtgold88]

Not in my lifetime. I’m not saying they don’t, but plenty of times they went full powder puff. For awhile Michigan often had the tougher schedule.. except for 2023, that was a cake walk with no out of conference challenges.

Unless you are 1-2 years old not sure how you think that's true. Off top of head since turn of century we have played (some more than once) ND, TX, USC, Miami FL, Oregon, OK, TCU and Va Tech (latter two not great when we played but among the elites when scheduled), WA...future games scheduled with Bama, Georgia

Rarely did UM have a tougher schedule...unless one of those years ND happened to be good. I recall a neutral site Bama game. Not many others. Lost to Toledo and Appy St. of course so guess those were tough

 

[RobToxin]

This entire thread be like:

 

[blastfromthepast]

This entire thread be like:

Not really, there is just a delusional Michigan fan playing the victim and distoring the facts.

 

[blastfromthepast]

Unless you are 1-2 years old not sure how you think that's true. Off top of head since turn of century we have played (some more than once) ND, TX, USC, Miami FL, Oregon, OK, TCU and Va Tech (latter two not great when we played but among the elites when scheduled), WA...future games scheduled with Bama, Georgia

Rarely did UM have a tougher schedule...unless one of those years ND happened to be good. I recall a neutral site Bama game. Not many others. Lost to Toledo and Appy St. of course so guess those were tough

The whole act is just annoying.

Its all based on Michigan vs Ohio St over and over again. I am not a Big 10 guy or a fan of either Michigan or OSU, but you can't simply hide behind the skirt of a rivalry to justify/downplay what Michigan did. Its dishonest and a bad look.

 

[Wamu]

This entire thread be like:

Between Ohio State and ann arbor only one program hired someone from the outside to illegally scout teams.

It's funny ann arbor fans can't accept reality.

The only way they can seemingly defend their own team blatantly cheating is start talking about mistakes (like the Tat5) Ohio State's made in the past. The diehard fans simply won't acknowledge any type of mistake by their team.

Now my question is what do Ohio State mistakes in the past have anything to do with JH getting so desperate to win he had to cheat?

 

[dtgold88]

The whole act is just annoying.

Its all based on Michigan vs Ohio St over and over again. I am not a Big 10 guy or a fan of either Michigan or OSU, but you can't simply hide behind the skirt of a rivalry to justify/downplay what Michigan did. Its dishonest and a bad look.

Yeah I've never been the guy who wont rip OSU if warranted and will never give UM benefit of doubt. In this discussion, Hell, I think you are harder on UM than I am and you don't like either school. No doubt it's dishonest and a bad look. Vacated title/wins? That punishment is certainly justified but not sure it will go that far.

As to the schedule back and forth that was an odd one to try and rip OSU's OOC as it's usually among the toughest you can find other than USC.

 

[blastfromthepast]

Between Ohio State and ann arbor only one program hired someone from the outside to illegally scout teams.

It's funny ann arbor fans can't accept reality.

The only way they can seemingly defend their own team blatantly cheating is start talking about mistakes (like the Tat5) Ohio State's made in the past. The diehard fans simply won't acknowledge any type of mistake by their team.

Now my question is what do Ohio State mistakes in the past have anything to do with JH getting so desperate to win he had to cheat?

And we have a winner!

The poster used all types of logical fallacies: ad homeinen, strawman, and red herrings. He couldn't logically debate the issue so he drug up OSU infractions and claimed everyone else was "jealous".

 

[rjshull]

I'd like to read what you have to say but once someone goes completely off the deep end I stop reading. You did that really early here. Second sentence, in fact.

Be happy to read what you have to say but if you try again please don't start out by lying. Hell, save the lies until the end if you cannot help yourself.

Sorry bud, the only one who lied is you. Maybe, just maybe you should actually go back and read the actual articles written during that time, and not the revisionist crap coming out of Columbus. Maybe, just maybe start with this.

SI investigation reveals eight-year pattern of violations under Tressel

The character traits that have made Jim Tressel a successful football coach and a beloved figure in Ohio are numerous and frequently cited. Former NFL coach

www.si.com

 

[rjshull]

Between Ohio State and ann arbor only one program hired someone from the outside to illegally scout teams.

It's funny ann arbor fans can't accept reality.

The only way they can seemingly defend their own team blatantly cheating is start talking about mistakes (like the Tat5) Ohio State's made in the past. The diehard fans simply won't acknowledge any type of mistake by their team.

Now my question is what do Ohio State mistakes in the past have anything to do with JH getting so desperate to win he had to cheat?

Illegal? Care to prove it? Your feelings don’t matter. The rules do not prevent anyone outside of the University Athletics Department from doing anything. A Professor at the University can go and record the game and not break the rules. Just because the spirit of the rule is broken, doesn’t mean the rule is.

 

[Mr. Friscus]

Unless you are 1-2 years old not sure how you think that's true. Off top of head since turn of century we have played (some more than once) ND, TX, USC, Miami FL, Oregon, OK, TCU and Va Tech (latter two not great when we played but among the elites when scheduled), WA...future games scheduled with Bama, Georgia

Rarely did UM have a tougher schedule...unless one of those years ND happened to be good. I recall a neutral site Bama game. Not many others. Lost to Toledo and Appy St. of course so guess those were tough

Unless you are 1-2 years old not sure how you think that's true. Off top of head since turn of century we have played (some more than once) ND, TX, USC, Miami FL, Oregon, OK, TCU and Va Tech (latter two not great when we played but among the elites when scheduled), WA...future games scheduled with Bama, Georgia

Rarely did UM have a tougher schedule...unless one of those years ND happened to be good. I recall a neutral site Bama game. Not many others. Lost to Toledo and Appy St. of course so guess those were tough

We can look at non-conference schedules over the past bit:


2024:
Mich: #4 Texas, Fresno, Ark St.
OSU: Akron, West Mich, Marshall

2023
Mich: East Carolina, Nev-LV, Bowling Green
OSU: #14 Notre Dame, Youngstown St, West KY

2022
Mich: CO St., Hawaii, UConn
OSU: #18 Notre Dame, Ark St., Toledo

2021:
Mich: West Mich, Washington, N. Illinois
OSU: #22 Oregon, Tulsa, Akron

2019:
Mich: #12 Notre Dame, Mid Tenn St. Army
OSU: #21 Cincinnati, FL Atlantic, Miami (OH)

2018:
Mich:#5 Notre Dame, West Mich, SMU
OSU: OR St., TX Christian, Tulane

2017:
Mich: Florida, Cincinnati, Air Force
OSU: #3 Oklahoma, Army, Nev-LV

2016:
Mich: #17 Colorado, Hawaii, UCF
OSU: #5 Oklahoma, BGSU, Tulsa

2015:
Mich: #17 Utah, OR St., Nev-LV, BYU
OSU: Virginia Tech, Hawaii, N. Illinois, West Mich

2014
Mich: #21 Utah, #25 Notre Dame, App St, Miami (OH)
OSU: Navy, Virginia Tech, Kent St, Cincy

2013:
Mich: #20 Notre Dame, Central Mich, Akron, UConn
OSU: Buffalo, SDSU, California, FL A&M

2012:
Mich: #1 Alabama, #4 Notre Dame, Air Force, UMass
OSU: Miami (OH), UCF, California, UAB

It looks like you could make a case that Michigan has faced tougher non-conference talent.