Just a reminder to Ohio fans….

[blastfromthepast]

Sorry bud, the only one who lied is you. Maybe, just maybe you should actually go back and read the actual articles written during that time, and not the revisionist crap coming out of Columbus. Maybe, just maybe start with this.

SI investigation reveals eight-year pattern of violations under Tressel

The character traits that have made Jim Tressel a successful football coach and a beloved figure in Ohio are numerous and frequently cited. Former NFL coach

www.si.com

So what does Tressell have to do with Harbaugh, Stallions, and Weiss?

If OSU cheated to win a NC, then it should be vacated or should have been vacated. Did they?

So your thesis is that OSU had a scandal under Tressel over 15 years ago and that absolves Michigan of what occured in 2022-2023?

 

[blastfromthepast]

Illegal? Care to prove it? Your feelings don’t matter. The rules do not prevent anyone outside of the University Athletics Department from doing anything. A Professor at the University can go and record the game and not break the rules. Just because the spirit of the rule is broken, doesn’t mean the rule is.

The Michigan investigation specifically centers on NCAA Bylaw 11.6.1, which states "Off-campus, in-person scouting of future opponents (in the same season) is prohibited, except as provided in Bylaws 11.6.1.1 and 11.6.1.2", with neither exception applying in Michigan's situation.

The NCAA alleges that Michigan staffer Connor Stalions sent friends and family to opponent's games to record future opponents' signs.

The NCAA has never directly banned sign stealing in football, but does ban teams from using electronic equipment to record opponents' signals during its own game. Bylaw 11.6.1.1 states that an institutional staff member cannot in-person advance scout a common opponent in the same season.

You have also failed to address Weiss and his database hacking scandal. You also failed to address Stallions going to the CMU sideline in CMU gear and his spying network.

If what Michigan did was NOT illegal, why is the NCAA investigating the matter, why did the Big 10 suspend Harbaugh, why did Harbaugh run to the NFL, and why has Moore been suspended?

Seems like Michigan is being framed and this is a massive conspiracy involving the Big 10 and NCAA correct?

 

[Wamu]

And we have a winner!

The poster used all types of logical fallacies: ad homeinen, strawman, and red herrings. He couldn't logically debate the issue so he drug up OSU infractions and claimed everyone else was "jealous".

Exactly.

Some of those ann arbor fans are complete goofballs.

 

[Wamu]

Illegal? Care to prove it? (1)Your feelings don’t matter. The rules do not prevent anyone outside of the University Athletics Department from doing anything. A Professor at the University can go and record the game and not break the rules. Just because the spirit of the rule is broken, doesn’t mean the rule is.

Oh man you make this way too easy. Here's the proof you asked for. From...now pay close attention...the Detroit Free Press.

michiagn football still isn't disputing it cheated with Connor Stallions. That's notable. (1/30/25)

1. Excuse me fella but I'm not upset, just stating fact. You're the one crying & bitching about things. So ann arbor admits they cheated but you still need more proof?

Keep on keepin' on, you're delusional.

 

[Wamu]

Illegal? Care to prove it? Your feelings don’t matter. The rules do not prevent anyone outside of the University Athletics Department from doing anything. A Professor at the University can go and record the game and not break the rules. Just because the spirit of the rule is broken, doesn’t mean the rule is.

I just wanna laugh at this stupid comment one more time.



You're in complete denial, good for you!

 

[rjshull]

I just wanna laugh at this stupid comment one more time.



You're in complete denial, good for you!

Then prove it. There is zero denial on my side. There will be a massive fine, I would not be surprised if it is a minimum of a years worth of media payments, if not upwards of 3. There is going to be a 4-5 year show cause for Jim, and Connor, there has already been a 1 and 2 year show cause for Minter and Clink. And I expect up to a year for Moore.

The ones in denial are the ohio fan boys who have not taken the time to read through the legal settlements over the past 20 years between athletes and the NCAA, you have definitely not taken the time to actually read the NCAA bylaws, and instead you probably rely on getting your information from Buckeye Scoop.

11.6.1 is the in-person scouting rule said to be broken. "Off-campus, in-person scouting of future opponents (in the same season) is prohibited”

Maybe you should actually read the bylaws, you should start with what Connor did which is on page 46, then jump over to bylaw 19 on 374.

At the end of the day, as any Michigan fan or Alumni will tell you, no one is more important than The Team. Those that thought they were above the rules, above The Team will be punished, and they should be.

https://ncaaorg.s3.amazonaws.com/compliance/sar/d1/2021-22D1_NCAA-Manual.pdf#page59

 

[rjshull]

Oh man you make this way too easy. Here's the proof you asked for. From...now pay close attention...the Detroit Free Press.

michiagn football still isn't disputing it cheated with Connor Stallions. That's notable. (1/30/25)

1. Excuse me fella but I'm not upset, just stating fact. You're the one crying & bitching about things. So ann arbor admits they cheated but you still need more proof?

Keep on keepin' on, you're delusional.

I don’t need proof additional proof because I am not denying anything. Watch the ohio state funded Netflix documentary and you know he did what is claimed. We know he was at the CMU game, I do not think he was scouting as much as he was trying to help CMU win, either way it’s a violation of the bylaws. The show causes are justified, and if I had it my way then both Connor and Jim would have a life long show cause but I don’t think that is allowed, but maybe. Clink and Minter have already settled theirs, which is also a sign of guilt. Moore took a self imposed 2 game ban for deleting text messages.

I am not, nor have I ever denied wrong doing in the part of Michigan ever since the 13 page B1G statement came out. We knew then what happened, the NCAA might have found more, but maybe not, time will tell. We do know that the school never paid for the actions, they never knew about it, but Jim is still responsible as the HC.

What we will not see is vacated wins or a bowl ban as those punishments are not warranted, and punish the innocent student athletes, the same ones the NCAA has spent the past 2 decades-ish settling with for being punitive. The current bylaws, and legal stance does not allow these levels of punishment as they require playing ineligible players. Everything in this case is because of coaches and staff, and will be punished as such. If the NCAA over reaches and punishes the players, any one of the 200+ potential players affected can and will file suit. Every judge in the country would order a TRO and then injunction against the NCAA because they violated their own precedent.

That lawsuit is what the NCAA is afraid of, players not the University, that’s how they lose without ever getting the discovery you ohio fans want so badly.

 

[blastfromthepast]

Then prove it. There is zero denial on my side. There will be a massive fine, I would not be surprised if it is a minimum of a years worth of media payments, if not upwards of 3. There is going to be a 4-5 year show cause for Jim, and Connor, there has already been a 1 and 2 year show cause for Minter and Clink. And I expect up to a year for Moore.

The ones in denial are the ohio fan boys who have not taken the time to read through the legal settlements over the past 20 years between athletes and the NCAA, you have definitely not taken the time to actually read the NCAA bylaws, and instead you probably rely on getting your information from Buckeye Scoop.

11.6.1 is the in-person scouting rule said to be broken. "Off-campus, in-person scouting of future opponents (in the same season) is prohibited”

Maybe you should actually read the bylaws, you should start with what Connor did which is on page 46, then jump over to bylaw 19 on 374.

At the end of the day, as any Michigan fan or Alumni will tell you, no one is more important than The Team. Those that thought they were above the rules, above The Team will be punished, and they should be.

https://ncaaorg.s3.amazonaws.com/compliance/sar/d1/2021-22D1_NCAA-Manual.pdf#page59

Including a vacated title which was won breaking the rules.

You still fail to address the fact that Weiss was involved as well and is now being investigated by the FBI.

That whole staff was trash and you will hopefully have someone go to prison for his actions. You all trying to defend the infractions is laughable. The title currently is and will always be worthless to the rest of college football. You might want to consult the HOU Astros fanbase on how to hold on to something that isn't real.

 

[rjshull]

The Michigan investigation specifically centers on NCAA Bylaw 11.6.1, which states "Off-campus, in-person scouting of future opponents (in the same season) is prohibited, except as provided in Bylaws 11.6.1.1 and 11.6.1.2", with neither exception applying in Michigan's situation.

The NCAA alleges that Michigan staffer Connor Stalions sent friends and family to opponent's games to record future opponents' signs.

The NCAA has never directly banned sign stealing in football, but does ban teams from using electronic equipment to record opponents' signals during its own game. Bylaw 11.6.1.1 states that an institutional staff member cannot in-person advance scout a common opponent in the same season.

You have also failed to address Weiss and his database hacking scandal. You also failed to address Stallions going to the CMU sideline in CMU gear and his spying network.

If what Michigan did was NOT illegal, why is the NCAA investigating the matter, why did the Big 10 suspend Harbaugh, why did Harbaugh run to the NFL, and why has Moore been suspended?

Seems like Michigan is being framed and this is a massive conspiracy involving the Big 10 and NCAA correct?

And your statement shows you don’t understand the charges at all. 1 single charge, 1 single level 1 violation is because of advanced scouting. The rest is items they found while investigating. Weiss, Minter, Clink, Jim, have absolutely nothing to do with advanced scouting, well Jim a little bit as he was the HC.

The best part, the article you clipped actually proves my point entirely and you want to use it as a rebuttal without actually understanding the case.

 

[blastfromthepast]

I don’t need proof additional proof because I am not denying anything. Watch the ohio state funded Netflix documentary and you know he did what is claimed. We know he was at the CMU game, I do not think he was scouting as much as he was trying to help CMU win, either way it’s a violation of the bylaws. The show causes are justified, and if I had it my way then both Connor and Jim would have a life long show cause but I don’t think that is allowed, but maybe. Clink and Minter have already settled theirs, which is also a sign of guilt. Moore took a self imposed 2 game ban for deleting text messages.

I am not, nor have I ever denied wrong doing in the part of Michigan ever since the 13 page B1G statement came out. We knew then what happened, the NCAA might have found more, but maybe not, time will tell. We do know that the school never paid for the actions, they never knew about it, but Jim is still responsible as the HC.

What we will not see is vacated wins or a bowl ban as those punishments are not warranted, and punish the innocent student athletes, the same ones the NCAA has spent the past 2 decades-ish settling with for being punitive. The current bylaws, and legal stance does not allow these levels of punishment as they require playing ineligible players. Everything in this case is because of coaches and staff, and will be punished as such. If the NCAA over reaches and punishes the players, any one of the 200+ potential players affected can and will file suit. Every judge in the country would order a TRO and then injunction against the NCAA because they violated their own precedent.

That lawsuit is what the NCAA is afraid of, players not the University, that’s how they lose without ever getting the discovery you ohio fans want so badly.

So were Penn St players punished without cause when the NCAA handed down their punishment in 2012? In other words, why were innocent Penn St players punished for the transgressions of Sandusky and Joe Pa?

You are basically saying that cheating to win is permisable and that the ends justify the means. There is no deterent for breaking the rules in your world.

Why Michigan fans fight to hold on to somethng they didn't earn and had to cheat to win is mind boggling to me.

 

[blastfromthepast]

And your statement shows you don’t understand the charges at all. 1 single charge, 1 single level 1 violation is because of advanced scouting. The rest is items they found while investigating. Weiss, Minter, Clink, Jim, have absolutely nothing to do with advanced scouting, well Jim a little bit as he was the HC.

The best part, the article you clipped actually proves my point entirely and you want to use it as a rebuttal without actually understanding the case.

Weiss was hacking into other teams databases. Of course he was looking for intel along with other things of course...stop being naive.

I do understand the charges and more knowledgable about this than you. You are the one claiming that the NCAA shouldn't vacate wins that were potentially acquired via cheating.

You are also living in another world if you think that "innocent players" should be affected due to severe violations that occured only 3 years ago. Vacated wins is very common with NCAA punishments. I am shocked you don't understand that. If Michigan broke the rules and had ANY advantage in 2023, the wins and title must be vacated.

You would be saying the same thing if this was Georgia, USC, or Alabama.

I have literally run circles around you along with other posters and I am not even an OSU fan...LOL.

Oh well, must be nice always knowing that your team cheated and literally had one of the worst coaching staffs ever assembled in college football history.

 

[Wamu]

Then prove it. There is zero denial on my side. There will be a massive fine, I would not be surprised if it is a minimum of a years worth of media payments, if not upwards of 3. There is going to be a 4-5 year show cause for Jim, and Connor, there has already been a 1 and 2 year show cause for Minter and Clink. And I expect up to a year for Moore.

The ones in denial are the ohio fan boys who have not taken the time to read through the legal settlements over the past 20 years between athletes and the NCAA, you have definitely not taken the time to actually read the NCAA bylaws, and instead you probably rely on getting your information from Buckeye Scoop.

11.6.1 is the in-person scouting rule said to be broken. "Off-campus, in-person scouting of future opponents (in the same season) is prohibited”

Maybe you should actually read the bylaws, you should start with what Connor did which is on page 46, then jump over to bylaw 19 on 374.

At the end of the day, as any Michigan fan or Alumni will tell you, no one is more important than The Team. Those that thought they were above the rules, above The Team will be punished, and they should be.

https://ncaaorg.s3.amazonaws.com/compliance/sar/d1/2021-22D1_NCAA-Manual.pdf#page59

"then prove it"

I already did. You just choose to ignore the article from the Detroit Free Press I mentioned in comment # 384.

"There is zero denial on my side" <---- that's a lie

 

[rjshull]

So were Penn St players punished without cause when the NCAA handed down their punishment in 2012? In other words, why were innocent Penn St players punished for the transgressions of Sandusky and Joe Pa?

You are basically saying that cheating to win is permisable and that the ends justify the means. There is no deterent for breaking the rules in your world.

Why Michigan fans fight to hold on to somethng they didn't earn and had to cheat to win is mind boggling to me.

Have you paid attention to anything with the PSU scandal? The fact that the NCAA overturned their own punishment.

The delusional ones are the less intelligent ones, the ohio fans. Wins are not vacated without playing ineligible players, PSU had theirs returned to them. The players did not violate their own precedent rules, the coaches did. Ohio and little sister will never acknowledge the win, just like moronic Michigan fans don’t want to acknowledge ohio’s Natty this year. News flash, you are not the majority of CFB fans

 

[Wamu]

I don’t need proof additional proof because I am not denying anything. Watch the ohio state funded Netflix documentary and you know he did what is claimed. We know he was at the CMU game, I do not think he was scouting as much as he was trying to help CMU win, either way it’s a violation of the bylaws. The show causes are justified, and if I had it my way then both Connor and Jim would have a life long show cause but I don’t think that is allowed, but maybe. Clink and Minter have already settled theirs, which is also a sign of guilt. Moore took a self imposed 2 game ban for deleting text messages.

I am not, nor have I ever denied wrong doing in the part of Michigan ever since the 13 page B1G statement came out. We knew then what happened, the NCAA might have found more, but maybe not, time will tell. We do know that the school never paid for the actions, they never knew about it, but Jim is still responsible as the HC.

What we will not see is vacated wins or a bowl ban as those punishments are not warranted, and punish the innocent student athletes, the same ones the NCAA has spent the past 2 decades-ish settling with for being punitive. The current bylaws, and legal stance does not allow these levels of punishment as they require playing ineligible players. Everything in this case is because of coaches and staff, and will be punished as such. If the NCAA over reaches and punishes the players, any one of the 200+ potential players affected can and will file suit. Every judge in the country would order a TRO and then injunction against the NCAA because they violated their own precedent.

That lawsuit is what the NCAA is afraid of, players not the University, that’s how they lose without ever getting the discovery you ohio fans want so badly.

Now that's a bunch boo-hoo bullshit. I already named the article about ann arbor cheating.

You're in such denial and it's hilarious.

 

[blastfromthepast]

Have you paid attention to anything with the PSU scandal? The fact that the NCAA overturned their own punishment.

The delusional ones are the less intelligent ones, the ohio fans. Wins are not vacated without playing ineligible players, PSU had theirs returned to them. The players did not violate their own precedent rules, the coaches did. Ohio and little sister will never acknowledge the win, just like moronic Michigan fans don’t want to acknowledge ohio’s Natty this year. News flash, you are not the majority of CFB fans

As I have said a million times...I am not an OSU fan or a Big 10 fan.

Yes, the NCAA did restore those wins, but the damage was already done. I believe the NCAA caved personally. Penn St. should have gotten the Death Penalty.

I am actually in the majority.

 

[rjshull]

"then prove it"

I already did. You just choose to ignore the article from the Detroit Free Press I mentioned in comment # 384.

Am I the Detroit Free Press? Prove that I have ever denied anything. I just laid out in very simple terms that we violated the rules. Jim accepted the 3 gam suspension, which proves it, Clink and Minter accepted their show causes, which shows we violated the rules. Prove that I am denying it, prove that I am denying the 13 page B1G article and the rules violations listed in it.

 

[blastfromthepast]

Now that's a bunch boo-hoo bullshit. I already named the article about ann arbor cheating.

You're in such denial and it's hilarious.

He thinks he is some type of lawyer or something.

They are all:
Downplaying what happened
Attacking OSU at every opportunity
Still holding on to the title by any means necessary

They are all praying the NCAA goes easy on them so they can thump their chest about the the championship. Again, they are a spitting image of the HOU Astros fanbase. Both have lied to themselves so often that its no longer a lie anymore.

 

[blastfromthepast]

Am I the Detroit Free Press? Prove that I have ever denied anything. I just laid out in very simple terms that we violated the rules. Jim accepted the 3 gam suspension, which proves it, Clink and Minter accepted their show causes, which shows we violated the rules. Prove that I am denying it, prove that I am denying the 13 page B1G article and the rules violations listed in it.

You are in denial that the title is still valid even though the team cheated and had an unfair advantage in 2023.

I can't believe you don't understand that concept.

Continue to respond with clownfaces and rainbows. That is how I know I won.

 

[Wamu]

Am I the Detroit Free Press? Prove that I have ever denied anything. I just laid out in very simple terms that we violated the rules. Jim accepted the 3 gam suspension, which proves it, Clink and Minter accepted their show causes, which shows we violated the rules. Prove that I am denying it, prove that I am denying the 13 page B1G article and the rules violations listed in it.

Keep on keepin' on.

 

[Wamu]

He thinks he is some type of lawyer or something.

They are all:
Downplaying what happened
Attacking OSU at every opportunity
Still holding on to the title by any means necessary

They are all praying the NCAA goes easy on them so they can thump their chest about the the championship. Again, they are a spitting image of the HOU Astros fanbase. Both have lied to themselves so often that its no longer a lie anymore.

He looks really foolish trying to argue that ann arbor didn't cheat when the school themselves have already admitted to cheating.